Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Trust me, I know how that looks. I think it can be resolved, so just bear with me while we wait on that one.

[dunya]

Also perfectly possible is that I have finally unlocked my superpower for seeing into the future.

or, more likely, all that bts chatter clouded its way into the thread

[Lunalee]

I think I might know what happened there. I will ask Epi though before I blurt.

I will wait for the blurt or lack of blurt before I say anything because me and Juliets are probably both right now

That wasn't what she claimed in BTSC?

Either she lied, misspoke, or I'm dealing with false memory

Could have sworn she said rolecop

[speedchuck]

Lie Detector is more town that a rolecop

But... like... what

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

Please do.

[speedchuck]

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

Please do.

Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

[dunya]

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

Please do.

Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

...why? you're not allowed back in there after the phase is over?

[dunya]

Lie Detector is more town that a rolecop

nutella was a rolecop. did you and juliets not think that was odd?

[speedchuck]

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

Please do.

Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

...why? you're not allowed back in there after the phase is over?

Same chatzy room, wiped after each night.

[dunya]

ahh wait. now i understand what juliets meant about numbers and her concerns.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

Please do.

Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

I misread the first time. Thought can't was can

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Seems like "I'm a lie detector" would be a difficult thing to forget.

[speedchuck]

ahh wait. now i understand what juliets meant about numbers and her concerns.

Yeah.

We thought the rolecop was odd, but I think a town silencer is odder.

And, let's face it, if Luna is truthful she probably hasn't been able to use her role yet. Not that strong, balance-wise.

[dunya]

i understand now why lunalee found speedchuck's no-votes suspicious. she probably accounted for them in her prediction and he messed that up by not voting. twice.

[dunya]

actually, i find it suspicious too now.

[speedchuck]

i understand now why lunalee found speedchuck's no-votes suspicious. she probably accounted for them in her prediction and he messed that up by not voting. twice.

She didn't find the no-votes suspicious. According to her. As I've said.

She also no-voted D2, by the way, and if both of our votes were in, she would have had her role. According to what she told me, anyway.

[dunya]

ok, i'm lost. this is all silly role speculation that doesn't mean all too much in the grand sceme of things cos roles can flip either alignment.

we need to know if jay scumslipped. and we need to decide if luna is town. and we need to decide on someone to lynch cos this 3-way tie sucks and i have plans soon and will be around less.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

[dunya]

11 players left. optimistically, it was 15 vs 4 so 9 vs 2 remains. worst case, it was 14 vs 5, so 8 vs 3 remains. 9/8 townies should be a little closer to having 1 lynch target today than this.

[dunya]

I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?

Luna.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

That is forgiving. Please affirm or deny with a smiley:

You, Lunalee, told speedchuck that you are a lie detector or that you have lie detection abilities in your BTSC with him.

[Lunalee]

Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

That is forgiving. Please affirm or deny with a smiley:

You, Lunalee, told speedchuck that you are a lie detector or that you have lie detection abilities in your BTSC with him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How in the world does he "forget" that?

I think one of these two is lying about something.

[dunya]

I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?

Luna.

who is her teammate(s)? just first name, off the top of your head.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?

Luna.

who is her teammate(s)? just first name, off the top of your head.

Elohcin

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

[dunya]

this doesn't make sense to me.

[speedchuck]

That vote is sure to cause agitation.

JJJ I need to know where you got the lie detector from once you confirm whatever with Epi

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everything Luna referenced in defense of Elohcin I find to be suspicious instead.

[dunya]

That vote is sure to cause agitation.

JJJ I need to know where you got the lie detector from once you confirm whatever with Epi

and yeah, let the people know Epignosis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Super annoying that I'll probably be gone whenever Epi gets back.

[speedchuck]

Unless JJJ just slipped somehow, I feel like either Luna/Dunya/both are scum with Eloh

[dunya]

Everything Luna referenced in defense of Elohcin I find to be suspicious instead.

does this look like eloh has btsc with mac and jack?

I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

i mean you know a little about that, you were mafia with her in mountains mafia (?) and told her what to say in btsc when she wasn't caught up with the thread.

that post is a hard pill for me to swallow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unless JJJ just slipped somehow, I feel like either Luna/Dunya/both are scum with Eloh

Why is Elohcin the common thread?

[speedchuck]

Unless JJJ just slipped somehow, I feel like either Luna/Dunya/both are scum with Eloh

Why is Elohcin the common thread?

Because they both keep defending her and I cannot fathom why.

Even dunya's above post looks like something I'd scumread Eloh for.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everything Luna referenced in defense of Elohcin I find to be suspicious instead.

does this look like eloh has btsc with mac and jack?

I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

i mean you know a little about that, you were mafia with her in mountains mafia (?) and told her what to say in btsc when she wasn't caught up with the thread.

that post is a hard pill for me to swallow.

It looks like a mafioso who is surprised a cop just blurted himself into her lap. I honestly don't know what this has to do with BTSC.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mean Elohcin is discrediting the guy who just outed a mafioso. Why is that good?

[dunya]

you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.

[dunya]

unless eloh is a fan of wifom

[JaggedJimmyJay]

you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.

I think that requires a lot of presumption about what the BTSC looks like. As a host who watches mafia teams talking in BTSC, most of them are frankly quiet. On occasion there's some noise (like in Ancient Greece), but usually it's subdued.

I don't think it'd be at all surprising for Elohcin to make that post as a mafioso. And she has been on my mafia teams more often than anyone else in my playing career (three times).

I could be wrong as with anything, but I don't get where coming from here.

[speedchuck]

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
Kites
Lunalee
speedchuck

Elochin
Long Con
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy

Have these latter four players even been active today? Just curious. This isn't suspicion-related, but it ain't good.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Luna is a better lynch today though. I have no better reasons to view her as a civilian than Elohcin (I care zero percent what her damned role is), and today's discrepancy with speedchuck is hard to believe. Something's wrong there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Elochin
Long Con
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy

Have these latter four players even been active today? Just curious. This isn't suspicion-related, but it ain't good.

None of them have posted on Day 6.

[speedchuck]

Neverwhere hasn't posted since Night 3.

We might not have as many days to figure this out.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the game still feels okay if we view it through the lens of authenticity. A good number of people have just fit the image and a fewer number have not. Kill one of them today.

[dunya]

you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.

I think that requires a lot of presumption about what the BTSC looks like. As a host who watches mafia teams talking in BTSC, most of them are frankly quiet. On occasion there's some noise (like in Ancient Greece), but usually it's subdued.

I don't think it'd be at all surprising for Elohcin to make that post as a mafioso. And she has been on my mafia teams more often than anyone else in my playing career (three times).

I could be wrong as with anything, but I don't get where coming from here.

fair enough. and i could be wrong too. i'm not as obnoxious as i often sound. like i said, if the majority wants eloh's head, go ahead but i can't help feeling it's heavily influenced by mata's last posts and since i have insider info on how inaccurate her read of me was, i am obviously more hesitant to tread there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Theory: Luna told speedchuck in BTSC that she is a role cop (or something like that), lying deliberately about what her role is. Because her teammates had at least two atypical roles (Jack a mock-doctor, Luna a lie detector of some sort), they knew that she shouldn't give speedchuck an authentic claim. Instead she handed over "role cop", which a lie detector can serve as functionally, to avoid raising suspicion in this sometimes backwards setup.

I just don't understand how she can literally tell him that she is a lie detector and then he can forget that.