Girl Genius (END)

[Epignosis]

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

As good a reason as any

Excellent. Now take your vote off me you filthy animal.

[MacDougall]

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

As good a reason as any

Excellent. Now take your vote off me you filthy animal.

Nah not yet.

[juliets]

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

So Epi, I am used to reasons like this from you but I have to ask anyway - is there anything about her posts that makes you suspect her?

[Epignosis]

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

So Epi, I am used to reasons like this from you but I have to ask anyway - is there anything about her posts that makes you suspect her?

Ya making me work, juliets.

Morning all, I'm in bed surrounded by cats. So far today is good.

That sounds lovely. But it also sounds like how a villain would start their day.

This is the first thing that even remotely looks like a suspicion from Lunalee.

timmer's last post before this one quoted below was over three hours prior:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

That's 3:19pm EST.

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

That's 3:20pm EST.

Of all the things timmer could have commented on in that window, why that?

And then the punchline:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

This reeks of a teammate interaction to me.

Rej putting fellow civilian in quotes looks so bad, that there's no way he's actually teammates with timmer

No way? We know that now.

Anyway, it's a second mention of timmer.

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Creature reeks, right?

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

lol

Dizzy's dead now, in case you missed it.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

Waiting until the last minute to vote: Stuff Mafia do.
Voting for someone without ever suspecting that person: Stuff Mafia do.
Saving the guy you said you suspected by lynching the guy you never said you did: Stuff wait what? Did that actually happen?

Holy yes it did.

Creature
4

Voters: Dyslexicon, Quin, nutella, Epignosis

Rej
5

Voters: Dragomir, timmer, Dom, juliets, Lunalee

Creature had four votes. At the last minute, Lunalee voted Rej, even though:

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Maybe there's an explanation for this.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

What was the difference between it and the others?

I think the other train was Creature, and I had no idea why they were leading the poll.

If I had remembered they were the ones who I thought looked bad I would have joined that wagon.

I did remember reg making a sketchy post though, which is why I voted there.

[juliets]

Wow Epi I did make you work. Appreciate the insight though.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] I would like to hear what you have to say about Epi's points.

[juliets]

Also fyi, we leave to drive home early tomorrow and won't get home until late. I'll try to check in when we get in.

[Creature]

Hey all

[Creature]

Sorry for being completely irresponsible yesterday

[Creature]

I'll try to compensate today.

[Creature]

So anyone thinks me correctly declaring Rej town but failing to save him to be scum?

[Epignosis]

So anyone thinks me correctly declaring Rej town but failing to save him to be scum?

Nobody cares.

What's your opinion of Lunalee?

[Creature]

So anyone thinks me correctly declaring Rej town but failing to save him to be scum?

Nobody cares.

What's your opinion of Lunalee?

My opinion:

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[Dom]

Is that you scum sig? Been a while.

Mac probably town so maybe of the cluster Epi scum? hmmm I need to keep reading.

Also, who is more likely to kill Dizzy when scum? Is there a tell for that?

i have some great wine in front of me for you to try.

Let's lynch Epi

why

RIP dizzy, and guess I can't read sig for shit. I like owner's "cluster" theory and think Mac is town; would be willing to lynch epi for sure.

I don’t like this.

same

Wow Epi I did make you work. Appreciate the insight though.

@Lunalee I would like to hear what you have to say about Epi's points.

iam agree.

[Long Con]

Jack isn't being funny. He's bad.

You sometimes read people on humor too? or was that a joke?

Be very careful how you answer this...

I agree with the observations on Epi, and Epi's Lunalee case is also convincing. I could see them being i/w.

[Epignosis]

Jack isn't being funny. He's bad.

You sometimes read people on humor too? or was that a joke?

Be very careful how you answer this...

I agree with the observations on Epi, and Epi's Lunalee case is also convincing. I could see them being i/w.

I agree with the observations on Epi.

So fucking what?

[Epignosis]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

[Epignosis]

I'm having one bourbon and then going to bed. I'll be busy tomorrow, as I have a guitar lesson to give and baseball stuff to do. If you're available now, let's go.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

Okay starting at the bottom.
I don’t think this is an unreasonable suggestion and if it weren’t coming from Epi I’d be pursuing all of these avenues first and foremost. I’m not going to try to decipher what Epi would do as scum and if it’s this because that’s stupid.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm having one bourbon and then going to bed. I'll be busy tomorrow, as I have a guitar lesson to give and baseball stuff to do. If you're available now, let's go.

This is townie too in general but it’s the kind of thing I’d only post as scum. For Epi I’ll call it NAI because apparently he plays pretty constantly.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

So Epi, I am used to reasons like this from you but I have to ask anyway - is there anything about her posts that makes you suspect her?

Ya making me work, juliets.

Morning all, I'm in bed surrounded by cats. So far today is good.

That sounds lovely. But it also sounds like how a villain would start their day.

This is the first thing that even remotely looks like a suspicion from Lunalee.

timmer's last post before this one quoted below was over three hours prior:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

That's 3:19pm EST.

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

That's 3:20pm EST.

Of all the things timmer could have commented on in that window, why that?

And then the punchline:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

This reeks of a teammate interaction to me.

Rej putting fellow civilian in quotes looks so bad, that there's no way he's actually teammates with timmer

No way? We know that now.

Anyway, it's a second mention of timmer.

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Creature reeks, right?

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

lol

Dizzy's dead now, in case you missed it.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

Waiting until the last minute to vote: Stuff Mafia do.
Voting for someone without ever suspecting that person: Stuff Mafia do.
Saving the guy you said you suspected by lynching the guy you never said you did: Stuff wait what? Did that actually happen?

Holy yes it did.

Creature
4

Voters: Dyslexicon, Quin, nutella, Epignosis

Rej
5

Voters: Dragomir, timmer, Dom, juliets, Lunalee

Creature had four votes. At the last minute, Lunalee voted Rej, even though:

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Maybe there's an explanation for this.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

What was the difference between it and the others?

I think the other train was Creature, and I had no idea why they were leading the poll.

If I had remembered they were the ones who I thought looked bad I would have joined that wagon.

I did remember reg making a sketchy post though, which is why I voted there.

This is impressive and also ostensibly exactly what I’d expect from whatever image of town Epi I felt hadn’t been upheld. I’m not sure how compelling the case actually is though. I don’t think voting late is scummy, I don’t think voting for the person you didn’t voice suspicion for is scummy. Because I think scum try harder to appear authentic in general. Obviously it plays well as exactly Creature/Luna w/w but outside of that it doesn’t make sense.
And as Creature/Luna w/w that’s some heavy distancing to then not take the easy bus opportunity.

[nutella]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

I got that, and I dig it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.

What is a "deserved civ card," who gets to hand them out, and who gets to determine what is deserved and who is the best?

And what makes a scholarship more valuable than candy?

So many questions.

Most importantly is this one: Why does it bother you that people are calling other people civilians so fast?

This post gives me bad vibes. The Drago post also gives me bad vibes. Lots of bad vibes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

why you voting timmer now, you just pointed out he and me could be team mates

I’m gonna denote this because a lot of Epi’s argument with Luna was from Luna voting for the person she hadn’t mentioned over the one she had called out at about the same point in the day of this Epi post coming after a few shots at Rej.

As far as the Rej post goes I think in retrospect it’s obviously town because it’s such a next level presumption of self-innocence and I’m gonna try to incorporate that kind of understanding into how I make reads.

[nutella]

You guys can dislike my fickle agreements with things all you want but they are sincere. I liked owner's thoughts on epi, and now I like epi's case on Luna/creature/Michelle even more (I already suspected creature and I have not felt good about any of Luna's posts). I'm not convinced epi is town from it, I'm still not totally clear on how many factions are at play but even if he is really hunting scum he's not necessarily town. However, I have been imagining him as being on sig's team, so is there another team such that that could be true as well as his proposed suspects? I really need to actually read the setup lol.

[TonyStarkPrime]

This: "does it mean that this are mostly civillians jumping over to look and make right decisions or could it be baddies who approach to save someone?"

This: "On the other side I don't know if mafia profits from mislynching Dragomir, when Dragomir approaches me or other people agressively. "

This: "I heard nutella can perform far more impressive"

The first two statements have a real calculation behind them. I don't think a civ would care this much about trying to define the makeup of a Lynch train. It's day 1. Stuff happens and we vote. But why worry about how a mislynch would look? A civ shouldn't care how a Lynch would look to baddies at all, and a civ seems less likely to use the term mislynch here because a civ rej doesn't know what drag is.

The third statement makes me wonder about btsc.


So I'm staying put.

I disagree myself. I think Rej is just awkward in his wording. Think I remember that from the game he was miller (town) as well. I also feel that him insisting that "Drag should read me town" is truthful. I hear town say that much more than scum.

This is my largest caveat with Rej- the wording of his posts is gauche, such that I have trouble interpreting them as coming from a schemer. Maybe Rej isn't a schemer. I don't know.

A nice last second townread on Rej coming after some more pointed arguments throughout the day. Epi pushed comparatively hard for a lynch there and mentioned Creature, as far as I can tell, once. Then voted for Creature.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]

Are you getting obviously mislynched or were you caught fair and square? I wanna hear from you first on this before I catch up for probably stupid tired brain reasons.

[mention]nutella[/mention] congrats on advancing to wildcards!

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

Oh man this will be good.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The most useful thing to do at this point, I suppose, would be to ask what we would be doing if Rej was not on the poll.

This actually makes me feel a bit suspicious of you... it's like, an easy standard thing to say to earn your "Productive Civ" badge. I don't even think this is your usual MO. This sounds like a Sloonei/JJJ kind of thing. Not an Epi thing. You're bad. No one will believe that. Oh well, at least your wit is sharp. Maybe suspiciously sharp.

I figured there would be a punch line in there somewhere.

Did I earn my "Productive Civ" badge, LC?

Is Epi trying to earn a productive civ badge?

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Is this Epi trying to earn a “just want the truth” civ badge?



A few more that mildly pinged me (check the list for yourself) but from the one game I’ve played with Epi recently I have felt as if he didn’t feel the need to earn his civ badges. He also died pretty early IIRC so I didn’t see a lot of him in action, but here I feel like he’s trying to hit a few boxes here. Outside of meta that’s a strong point I’d be willing to run with, the meta addition isn’t really much.

[TonyStarkPrime]

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

Res plz! =p

Good luck, town!

oh. RIP Dizzy

Gut read: fake.

Revisiting this. I still think it’s fake. Given that Luna has like a dozen posts I’ll take some other takes on it. It takes some amount of courage to reply to someone you just killed I’d almost never do it as mafia and I’m pretty gutsy with stuff like that. It’s a very easy thing for town to do. But I don’t feel good about it.

[MacDougall]

Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.

What is a "deserved civ card," who gets to hand them out, and who gets to determine what is deserved and who is the best?

And what makes a scholarship more valuable than candy?

So many questions.

Most importantly is this one: Why does it bother you that people are calling other people civilians so fast?

This post gives me bad vibes. The Drago post also gives me bad vibes. Lots of bad vibes.

I think it's a very Epi post, the Drago post is alarming though

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Stop handing out underserved civ cards. Treat it like a scholarship, not candy. Only give it to the best ppl.

What is a "deserved civ card," who gets to hand them out, and who gets to determine what is deserved and who is the best?

And what makes a scholarship more valuable than candy?

So many questions.

Most importantly is this one: Why does it bother you that people are calling other people civilians so fast?

This post gives me bad vibes. The Drago post also gives me bad vibes. Lots of bad vibes.

I think it's a very Epi post, the Drago post is alarming though

Of course it’s a very Epi post. Epi posted it.

[Dom]

I can see what you're saying about epi pushing rej all day and voting creature, but I'd love to hear from [mention]Lunalee[/mention] .

[Sloonei]

I am doing family things the next three days. I’ll probably continue to be a useless lump in here. I’ll try to keep up as much as I can.

[Creature]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

Is it PoE or you just came up with this?

[Creature]

I see I better take charge of town by myself.

[Creature]

but yeah, Lunalee looks bad af, so that lynch is alright.

[Creature]

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

Oh man this will be good.

He's probably 1/3, which isn't that good.

[Creature]

This: "does it mean that this are mostly civillians jumping over to look and make right decisions or could it be baddies who approach to save someone?"

This: "On the other side I don't know if mafia profits from mislynching Dragomir, when Dragomir approaches me or other people agressively. "

This: "I heard nutella can perform far more impressive"

The first two statements have a real calculation behind them. I don't think a civ would care this much about trying to define the makeup of a Lynch train. It's day 1. Stuff happens and we vote. But why worry about how a mislynch would look? A civ shouldn't care how a Lynch would look to baddies at all, and a civ seems less likely to use the term mislynch here because a civ rej doesn't know what drag is.

The third statement makes me wonder about btsc.


So I'm staying put.

I disagree myself. I think Rej is just awkward in his wording. Think I remember that from the game he was miller (town) as well. I also feel that him insisting that "Drag should read me town" is truthful. I hear town say that much more than scum.

This is my largest caveat with Rej- the wording of his posts is gauche, such that I have trouble interpreting them as coming from a schemer. Maybe Rej isn't a schemer. I don't know.

A nice last second townread on Rej coming after some more pointed arguments throughout the day. Epi pushed comparatively hard for a lynch there and mentioned Creature, as far as I can tell, once. Then voted for Creature.

My guess is that Epi and Luna could be non-town likely in separate teams.

Is it possible they're together though?

[Creature]

I'm not convinced epi is town from it

Of course not. Adding me and Michelle is like a tactic scum would do to get mislynches on players everyone apparently dislikes every game.

[Creature]

Spoiler: show

I'm voting Lunalee.

How come?

I can smell the mafia emanating from her. It smells like mildewed lemongrass and pickles.

So Epi, I am used to reasons like this from you but I have to ask anyway - is there anything about her posts that makes you suspect her?

Ya making me work, juliets.

Morning all, I'm in bed surrounded by cats. So far today is good.

That sounds lovely. But it also sounds like how a villain would start their day.

This is the first thing that even remotely looks like a suspicion from Lunalee.

timmer's last post before this one quoted below was over three hours prior:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

That's 3:19pm EST.

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

That's 3:20pm EST.

Of all the things timmer could have commented on in that window, why that?

And then the punchline:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

This reeks of a teammate interaction to me.

Rej putting fellow civilian in quotes looks so bad, that there's no way he's actually teammates with timmer

No way? We know that now.

Anyway, it's a second mention of timmer.

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Creature reeks, right?

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

lol

Dizzy's dead now, in case you missed it.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

Waiting until the last minute to vote: Stuff Mafia do.
Voting for someone without ever suspecting that person: Stuff Mafia do.
Saving the guy you said you suspected by lynching the guy you never said you did: Stuff wait what? Did that actually happen?

Holy yes it did.

Creature
4

Voters: Dyslexicon, Quin, nutella, Epignosis

Rej
5

Voters: Dragomir, timmer, Dom, juliets, Lunalee

Creature had four votes. At the last minute, Lunalee voted Rej, even though:

@Creature why are you voting TonyStarkPrime? yout vote gave me sheepy vibes
is there a reason why you wanna get a big wagon running? why so eager?

I voted TonyStarkPrime for reactions.

Big wagons cause more infospreading because it puts someone in spotlight, making that person squirm more while also making others need to justify their stances around said person.

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

ew. This reeks

Maybe there's an explanation for this.

lol

Indeed. Care to explain your vote on Rej?

it was the wagon that looked less bad. Also I almost didn't get a vote placed in time, so not much thought went into it.

What was the difference between it and the others?

I think the other train was Creature, and I had no idea why they were leading the poll.

If I had remembered they were the ones who I thought looked bad I would have joined that wagon.

I did remember reg making a sketchy post though, which is why I voted there.

This is impressive and also ostensibly exactly what I’d expect from whatever image of town Epi I felt hadn’t been upheld. I’m not sure how compelling the case actually is though. I don’t think voting late is scummy, I don’t think voting for the person you didn’t voice suspicion for is scummy. Because I think scum try harder to appear authentic in general. Obviously it plays well as exactly Creature/Luna w/w but outside of that it doesn’t make sense.
And as Creature/Luna w/w that’s some heavy distancing to then not take the easy bus opportunity.

TonyStar seems to be town this game.

@Sloonei what do you think?

[Sloonei]

I don’t disagree with any of the words I’m seeing in Tony’s post. Epi’s suspicion of luna does/did appear to be grounded in real things. That’s not something he’d be incapable of faking, but “he could be faking” is not a good argument to follow on Day 2.

I won’t be judging Tony based on that post alone. He was crafty as hell in Fallout.

Why are you singling me out wty that question, [mention]Creature[/mention]?

[Creature]

I won’t be judging Tony based on that post alone. He was crafty as hell in Fallout.

doesn't look very crafty here however.

[Creature]

Why are you singling me out wty that question, @Creature?

If I didn't specify anyone, likely I'd be ignored again and you were the most likely to give an actual response.

[Creature]

Also I need to sort you still.

[Sloonei]

I won’t be judging Tony based on that post alone. He was crafty as hell in Fallout.

doesn't look very crafty here however.

What makes you say that? “Not looking crafty” would be part of the craft.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

Can you update the player list with flips please?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon D. Luffy

Can you update the player list with flips please?

I did that yesterday?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dragon D. Luffy

Can you update the player list with flips please?

I did that yesterday?

Okay I am an idiot and read the flips as replacements.

[nutella]

......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol