Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

I can pls has feedback? I can pls has hole in logic?

The part with Long Con acting civillian-like. I don't see it.
I am listening if you can proove it.

Please also talk about the other thing I said, because it is much more important to me.

I don't think Long Con looks bad today -- he has suspicion of me (the guy who tried to wagon him to oblivion D1 -- makes sense), but he is still talking to me like he doesn't know the answer. He's entertaining the things that I say, and not just about himself. I understand why you'd gripe with him being flippant or short in his responses to you, but I don't really object to that. Long Con doesn't typically operate in the generic "shining beacon of civilianhood" manner, and I don't expect him to care about that stuff. I kinda feel the same way as one of today's lead lynchees. It's whatever.

His surface behavior doesn't have to be civilian. I can see the other side there too. That's why my read is based primarily on Rej's voting decisions. I want someone to tell me why Rej votes Long Con there after having refused to vote Dragomir, and why that makes Long Con the teammate between the two of them (if either of them is a teammate). It doesn't make any sense to me.

[Long Con]

I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

[nutella]

@nutella why sprityo

Every time he attempts to participate he just flails and it's like he's trying to appear natural and reckless bit it's just awkward

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@nutella why sprityo

Every time he attempts to participate he just flails and it's like he's trying to appear natural and reckless bit it's just awkward

k

I wouldn't quite say he "flails", but I don't like him any more than I did before so sure.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Long Con[/mention], who are your suspects apart from myself? If you already said so please point the way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

[nutella]

Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.

Dude I have nothing to say except I just simply disagree. I feel like we've been over how it could make sense that the two day 1 wagons were both scum. It's just a matter of perspective.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.

Dude I have nothing to say except I just simply disagree. I feel like we've been over how it could make sense that the two day 1 wagons were both scum. It's just a matter of perspective.

I highlighted the key word.

Anything "could" make sense. Anything "could" be mafia. That doesn't mean much to me. When comparing the two worlds, I do not understand why people are arriving at the one that requires more presupposition, more moving parts, and less raw sense.

[Michelle]

How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?

I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.

If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?

[nutella]

Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.

Dude I have nothing to say except I just simply disagree. I feel like we've been over how it could make sense that the two day 1 wagons were both scum. It's just a matter of perspective.

I highlighted the key word.

Anything "could" make sense. Anything "could" be mafia. That doesn't mean much to me. When comparing the two worlds, I do not understand why people are arriving at the one that requires more presupposition, more moving parts, and less raw sense.

Look, your point about rej having the weakest scum role makes some sense, but it also makes a lot of assumptions about the scum team considering that and being perfect actors in the moment. They may not have intended for LC to have ended up a major contender, but that's what happened on a short time scale at EOD.

All this being said, I'm not feeling very strongly about LC in either direction at the moment.

[Long Con]

Long Con, who are your suspects apart from myself? If you already said so please point the way.

I'm still down with lynching Dragomir. Epignosis has pinged me a couple of times. Not Fayt. Not Mac. Dom.... I'd lynch Epi over Dom I think. I think nutella's ok.

Sprityo...I see the perspective Dom gave on his "unjustly lynched in other game" post. I don't know if he'd be that ham-fisted here if he were a cat. I probably won't vote for him.

[Long Con]

How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?

I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.

If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?

Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.

[Michelle]

I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

Whatchoo t'inking eh?

[Long Con]

I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.

Yeah, but I'm too belligerent. I ain't dancing.

[Michelle]

How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?

I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.

If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?

Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.

I have to find out asap if my vote is on mafia or town. I need to know. I hate to mislynch a fellow townie.

[Michelle]

I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.

Yeah, but I'm too belligerent. I ain't dancing.

Let's ask the dictionary:

belligerent

/bəˈlɪdʒ(ə)r(ə)nt/

adjective

hostile and aggressive.

You are not belligerent.You are anti-belligerent.
Learn dance tbh. It brings joy in life.

[nutella]

How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?

I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.

If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?

Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.

I have to find out asap if my vote is on mafia or town. I need to know. I hate to mislynch a fellow townie.

......

what

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

Whatchoo t'inking eh?

I'm unimpressed. Feel like he's spending more time trying to look the care-free disengaged part, rather than being it. It doesn't seem real to me, more like a fake act especially how he brings up game content in a messing around way. Bonus point, I'm not interested in lynching Drago or LC.

[Long Con]

Ok, well, you can: a) take my word for it. This solution is the most expedient, in keeping with your "ASAP" desire... or b) keep voting me until enough votes come in to ensure my lynch. This solution will leave you with no more doubts, but carries very unfortunate consequences.

c) if you're a rolechecker type, check me! This solution fails if you are not one of those.

[Long Con]

I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.

Yeah, but I'm too belligerent. I ain't dancing.

Let's ask the dictionary:

belligerent

/bəˈlɪdʒ(ə)r(ə)nt/

adjective

hostile and aggressive.

You are not belligerent.You are anti-belligerent.
Learn dance tbh. It brings joy in life.

I would say I am belligerent toward the idea of trying to act a certain way, just to appear towny.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

Whatchoo t'inking eh?

I'm unimpressed. Feel like he's spending more time trying to look the care-free disengaged part, rather than being it. It doesn't seem real to me, more like a fake act especially how he brings up game content in a messing around way. Bonus point, I'm not interested in lynching Drago or LC.

Hard mindmeld here, with the caveat that I'm concerned this isn't the strongest reason to lynch him. I just don't feel like I have anything stronger atm.

[Michelle]

What do you think about the current wagons?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I gotta split. I'm staying on sprityo. Legacy rainbow:

TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Long Con
Dom

MacDougall
novaselinenever

Fayt
Dragomir
nutella
speedchuck
Michelle
sprityo

The orange blob is my POE pool. I don't care about the order beyond ~sprityo first~. Please ensure you track the number of deaths as you move forward so that you know how many names should be included in a POE and sustain a winning motion. Pay attention to all of the roles (probably preaching to the choir; I'm thorough) and fully consider how they may play into game matters -- even with respect to my greens here. Solving in a setup like this is also about slotting people into roles if you can, but do so with care and caution.

Most importantly, if I am either lynched or shot before Day 3 begins:

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ensure that the pace of the game does not stagnate. I have more than 3x the post count of the next highest person -- this is not a boast, it is just a fact. That means that when I am gone, the primary engine driving the game is gone. A new engine will need to be installed. Please step up and make it happen. There have been too many cases in recent memory where games have completely taken a crap as soon as I die. Don't let it happen here.

[Fayt]

I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

hmmmmm......

ugh. I guess it doesn't make sense as to why Rej would place a vote on a teammate that late in the day. If that was the wagon he decides to go on but not on Dragomir or Mac despite him voicing his suspicion on them... In that case, I would like to look at Dragomir again. I had a neutral read but dismissed it due to meta reading off of his posts.

I might be overthinking that its some 4d chess play with Rej and LC.

[Michelle]

Ok, well, you can: a) take my word for it. This solution is the most expedient, in keeping with your "ASAP" desire... or b) keep voting me until enough votes come in to ensure my lynch. This solution will leave you with no more doubts, but carries very unfortunate consequences.

c) if you're a rolechecker type, check me! This solution fails if you are not one of those.

yeah. i get it. Let me think.

How much time to Eod?

[Fayt]

In an hour no? I have my lunch break soon so I'll look at sprityo too..

[nutella]

About an hour and forty minutes

[Fayt]

Oh my clock is off here. I think its in 2 hours then. 1:32 pm pst

[nutella]

Oh my clock is off here. I think its in 2 hours then. 1:32 pm pst

Yep. You should be able to fix it in your board preferences

also hello fellow pst-er

[Michelle]

I think i need to sleep at least one hour. My vote stays for now.
If i can't come back for Eod Long Con is my morning town read but in tryed to understand his alignament by logic. Logic says he's mafia, instinct says he's town.
That's why i wanted an asap resolve

[Michelle]

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

[nutella]

And.... stagnation phase initiated.

[nutella]

I hope Mac and Epi can make it in to chat a little before the deadline

[novaselinenever]

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

Whatchoo t'inking eh?

I'm unimpressed. Feel like he's spending more time trying to look the care-free disengaged part, rather than being it. It doesn't seem real to me, more like a fake act especially how he brings up game content in a messing around way. Bonus point, I'm not interested in lynching Drago or LC.

Hard mindmeld here, with the caveat that I'm concerned this isn't the strongest reason to lynch him. I just don't feel like I have anything stronger atm.

I feel stronger about Dom. I hate his Drago stuff and how he keeps parroting that he's the made his points about Dragomir clear when it's just a repetition of Drago is bad for refusing to share reads or being stubborn. There is basically nothing about the meat of Drago's posts., it doesn't feel like he's trying to figure him out or make a genuine case. It's fake.

[Michelle]

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.

you like him for what i dislile him. For me nothing can't be faked by scum. He is indeed solid and not shady.
But if he is town why would he suggest a check?
I saw in that idea 2 things: one, a subtile role fishing without the idea of a waste of a peek on a lock townie and two, the biggest cat has godfather answer at check so he can say come and check me and i am green anyway.
Relaxed yes, townish no.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Why?

[nutella]

Hmm the existence of godfather does make that a little sketch. But if he was godfather would he really be that overt, or is it more likely he's just a townie who wasn't really thinking about that issue?

[novaselinenever]

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.

you like him for what i dislile him. For me nothing can't be faked by scum. He is indeed solid and not shady.
But if he is town why would he suggest a check?
I saw in that idea 2 things: one, a subtile role fishing without the idea of a waste of a peek on a lock townie and two, the biggest cat has godfather answer at check so he can say come and check me and i am green anyway.
Relaxed yes, townish no.

I read that as someone that wants an interaction to end and stop going into circles. With it being part of set of solution, the other keep pushing and lynching him made me think that. I can get that kind of frustration. But yeah with a GF around, it's interesting. Although it feels too out there.

Is that your main gripe with him?

[Michelle]

Hmm the existence of godfather does make that a little sketch. But if he was godfather would he really be that overt, or is it more likely he's just a townie who wasn't really thinking about that issue?

He admited a similar play as either alignament isn't it?

[novaselinenever]

The subtle role fishing theory is interesting though. Like to figure out if someone is a cop if they're handling of him changes, or if it keeps being the same, eliminate them from the pool of targets.

[novaselinenever]

Fayt, did you have a vote on the board before changing the Host/dead/mod?

[Michelle]

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.

you like him for what i dislile him. For me nothing can't be faked by scum. He is indeed solid and not shady.
But if he is town why would he suggest a check?
I saw in that idea 2 things: one, a subtile role fishing without the idea of a waste of a peek on a lock townie and two, the biggest cat has godfather answer at check so he can say come and check me and i am green anyway.
Relaxed yes, townish no.

I read that as someone that wants an interaction to end and stop going into circles. With it being part of set of solution, the other keep pushing and lynching him made me think that. I can get that kind of frustration. But yeah with a GF around, it's interesting. Although it feels too out there.

Is that your main gripe with him?

There is Rej's last post about a nul voter iirc. If understood correct a hidden mechanics could give him the possibility that his vote to be but to not really exist. Idk if i explained well though.
That means Rej's vote on Long Con is just for show.

[Michelle]

Fayt, did you have a vote on the board before changing the Host/dead/mod?

yes she voted Long Con iirc

[Fayt]

I had it on LC but changed my mind after reading through the thread and looking back at EOD.

[speedchuck]

Long con suggested a cop check on him? Where?

[Long Con]

Yeah, she was on me before switching off silently at some point in the last hour or two.

That was certainly not role-fishing. I don't see how it couold be. No one can give role indications at all, by the rules... and even if they could, I would not expect a rolechecker to just admit it.

The fact that one of the two baddies left tricks rolecheckers is something I wasn't thinking about. Originally, the post was going to be just A and B, and before I posted I thought, "Are there other options I could list?" It was a spontaneous addition, foolish in retrospect.

[speedchuck]

Yeah, she was on me before switching off silently at some point in the last hour or two.

That was certainly not role-fishing. I don't see how it couold be. No one can give role indications at all, by the rules... and even if they could, I would not expect a rolechecker to just admit it.

The fact that one of the two baddies left tricks rolecheckers is something I wasn't thinking about. Originally, the post was going to be just A and B, and before I posted I thought, "Are there other options I could list?" It was a spontaneous addition, foolish in retrospect.

Seems pretty non-indicative of alignment because of that to me. Probably why two people are getting different reads over it.