Inception [END]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations

No who’s 112

how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.

Good callout from Spiny, TSP has been weird overall and I haven't been sure wether it was playstyle - but this feels like a smoking gun to me. TSP scum.

Okay first off I have no playstyle and second off literally I don’t know 112 I did not get a read on them that’s it this is the stupidest argument I have ever heard in... well a long time

[Creature]

can't wait for the time we distribute ropes like candy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations

No who’s 112

how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.

This one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.

I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.

this is such a reach of a read that it makes me super certain that tsp is SOMETHING

- I think not third party is what it says, mafia make this kind of reach to lynch people, town make it to try and find mafia, third parties have absolutely no reason to stick their necks out like this

well someone reacted

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations

No who’s 112

how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.

This one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.

I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.

this is such a reach of a read that it makes me super certain that tsp is SOMETHING

- I think not third party is what it says, mafia make this kind of reach to lynch people, town make it to try and find mafia, third parties have absolutely no reason to stick their necks out like this

well someone reacted

I’ve seen a lot of people do grammar punctuation reads very successfully. I personally don’t think it’s a great strat but if Spiny ends up being scum I will definitely do it for the rest of my existence

[Creature]

There will be no voting during this phase, and no role actions may be used. This time is meant to allow players to see and acknowledge their role cards, check in, and ready themselves for the trials of Mafia.

[Creature]

I think Master Radish can be town although I don't really like him

[Jackofhearts2005]

somethigns wrong, ive shitposted for the most part all Day 0 and i have two "good" reads

I've shitposted all Day and don't have any.

This is discrimination.

have you considered

vegetagles are untasty?

Sprityo is scum for saying this. Like Saturday morning cartoon level villainy telling children not to eat their veggies.

[juliets]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

[Elephant]

@Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Get in here so I spank your poopy bum bum

Mac, who were you talking to here and why do you want to spank them?

That’s just what Mac is into.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Checking in, posting later.

Guttownreading this

don't ask me why

See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably [mention]Michelle[/mention]

[Creature]

@Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

That game was shit

[Creature]

Checking in, posting later.

Guttownreading this

don't ask me why

See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle

Yah, it's his problem, I'm trying to define a smaller scumpool

[Dragomir]

2 of my favorite teams playing against each other today. Browns and Patriots. I don't know who to root for.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh and also I won’t be around much today, soz. This was essentially the worst possible weekend for this game to start on for me lolol, luckily there’s like 800 people in it so I don’t have to carry until we get to like 9

[Michelle]

Can I not be lynched D1? Nor D2? Nor D3?

I mean, you could nk Epi and shitpost. That might do the trick.

wasn't that a post for the scum chat?

Michelle, are you reading Jack/Creature W/W?

no, it was a joke. I can't so early in the game to make any associative read actually

[sprityo]

You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?

Let's say Mac and Sprityo are scumreads for me right now.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[Michelle]

112 is innocent-aligned in my opinion

i have felt this with every one of their posts

pocket tentatively accepted

noted.
Pocket like scum poketing or town pocketing?

This feels like a weird question. Scumpoints for michelle.

no it's not, as long as someone is town tunneling a player my question is perfectly valid

[sprityo]

somethigns wrong, ive shitposted for the most part all Day 0 and i have two "good" reads

I've shitposted all Day and don't have any.

This is discrimination.

have you considered

vegetagles are untasty?

Sprityo is scum for saying this. Like Saturday morning cartoon level villainy telling children not to eat their veggies.

You enjoy your leafy greens and ill enjoy my BA N A NA S S

[sprityo]

The only thing out of me will be either MEAT or CANDY

nothing else

[Michelle]

Checking in, posting later.

Guttownreading this

don't ask me why

See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle

I can feel why this is happening. But after few games don't you guys start to know how is he playing? Epi has a lot of meta for Creature isn't it?

[Michelle]

Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

smh look at someone thinking he may be alive D6. How do you know this sir?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

smh look at someone thinking he may be alive D6. How do you know this sir?

Cause I’m fucking prescient.

Naw cause I’m gonna be too low energy for scum to bother killing tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Unless they’re scared of me I guess

[Creature]

Checking in, posting later.

Guttownreading this

don't ask me why

See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle

I can feel why this is happening. But after few games don't you guys start to know how is he playing? Epi has a lot of meta for Creature isn't it?

Some players refuse to accept a playstyle different from them

[juliets]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

[Benson]

Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go

ur scum, pal

112 I noticed in your ISO you mentioned Benson was pinging you and then a little later you posted the above. Can you talk about your suspicion? I haven't seen anything about Benson that makes me think scum but this is my first exposure to them.

He seems caught in the headlights and a little bit stilted. It's very much a meta read as I'd expect civ Benson to be more vocal and have a little more of a focus/point to his posts, even this early. And he's not against posting lists per se, but iirc he doesn't like people sharing them this early.

I mean, I'm playing in a game with 28 people I've never played with before, on a new site. I need a sec to get the engines revving.

[Dragomir]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

[Benson]

I'm on bosrd with dragon that 112 initial character talk was Wolfy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Game is broken if that’s the case, any decent designer gives scum fake claims.

Ping me if you want me to say something after this cause I’m not reading more for awhile.

If you ping me a bunch of times for no reason (mac) I will vote you (mac) with no regrets (mac).

[juliets]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

[Benson]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

For me it's that she had to state it explicitly. Villa 112 just does the RP without qualifying why. Wolf 112 looks for excuses to hide any perceived wolfiness.

[Evenstar]

Oh well, juliets randed scum this game

Why?

[juliets]

For me it's that she had to state it explicitly. Villa 112 just does the RP without qualifying why. Wolf 112 looks for excuses to hide any perceived wolfiness.

Ok, I understand what you're saying.

[Evenstar]

Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go

ur scum, pal

112 I noticed in your ISO you mentioned Benson was pinging you and then a little later you posted the above. Can you talk about your suspicion? I haven't seen anything about Benson that makes me think scum but this is my first exposure to them.

He seems caught in the headlights and a little bit stilted. It's very much a meta read as I'd expect civ Benson to be more vocal and have a little more of a focus/point to his posts, even this early. And he's not against posting lists per se, but iirc he doesn't like people sharing them this early.

nyeeehhhhh maybe 112 is town after all

[Evenstar]

Can someone who is seeing @iaafr as scum talk about their read? I know some people have changed their mind on him so I'm not exactly sure where everyone stands. I tend to agree with Master Radish. I said earlier he was behaving like he did in spec chat just wasn't ready to call that town until MR's post. Anyway, I would appreciate understanding why some think he's bad.

Also, Epi has been called town and I read his ISO to see if I agreed. I think it's a bit early to town read him, he is tricky. I need more posts to make a read there, I'm just advising caution for now.

Feels like he's trying to pocket 112, incoherent reads, tone is off. I do not like it sam I am.

[Benson]

I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

[Evenstar]

Hmm. I should maybe start playing a little.

All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.

same

Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.

I like the tone and attitude here! Gonna give nutella a genuine town lean for now.

Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.

Are we really gonna have the same reads all game again?

This feels pocket-y.

I'm policy never lynching people I invited to this game

This just means I’ll get lynched day 1

Dude if you’re town, just be the townie you were in Mass Effect, Fire Emblem and Kirby. You have a really obvious town tone and shouldn’t have the problem with getting mislynched you tend to have if you just post more.

That’s asking a lot

On reread, I'm sensing a towny kind of frustration from Jack. Also, it feels like Sprityo's making excuses to not post in a towny way, even if I still think his response was pretty funny.

this made me go back and quickly ISO hyena, tone feels different from in WC1

might just be reduced pressure but I feel ehhhhh in this direction rn

[Evenstar]

-snip read wall-

You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?

bad post tbqh

[juliets]

Can someone who is seeing @iaafr as scum talk about their read? I know some people have changed their mind on him so I'm not exactly sure where everyone stands. I tend to agree with Master Radish. I said earlier he was behaving like he did in spec chat just wasn't ready to call that town until MR's post. Anyway, I would appreciate understanding why some think he's bad.

Also, Epi has been called town and I read his ISO to see if I agreed. I think it's a bit early to town read him, he is tricky. I need more posts to make a read there, I'm just advising caution for now.

Feels like he's trying to pocket 112, incoherent reads, tone is off. I do not like it sam I am.

Thanks, I saw the incoherent reads and the tone as his normal behavior but I have not seen him in an in-game setting. I'll re-read his ISO with your points in mind.

[Evenstar]

Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

[Benson]

What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

[Evenstar]

gonna be some quote spam as i catch up here, apologies; i blame this forum's utter lack of multiquoting

All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.

So FoS.

What for? Without voting all this analysis is just hot fart. Nobody is really gonna feel pressure so they will be harder to read. I wanna start some wagons.

This is why you have a thing that can translate directly into a real vote when the actual game starts

like so: FoS MacDougall

ALL HAIL QUEEN EVENSTAR!!!

Also, are you trying to pocket me here with your FoS on Mac? :P

*giggles*

Okay, Hyena is town, I stand corrected.

And no, I didn't actually realize you scumread him.

[juliets]

I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

Benson, are you on your phone? Jay wrote a little section about how to best stay logged on on your phone at the beginning of the game in the part about how the site works. If you're on your computer I don't know why it is doing.

[Benson]

I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

Benson, are you on your phone? Jay wrote a little section about how to best stay logged on on your phone at the beginning of the game in the part about how the site works. If you're on your computer I don't know why it is doing.

I'm on my phone. I'll check that out. Thanks.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Game is broken if that’s the case, any decent designer gives scum fake claims.

Ping me if you want me to say something after this cause I’m not reading more for awhile.

If you ping me a bunch of times for no reason (mac) I will vote you (mac) with no regrets (mac).

making stuff up is part of mafia

[Evenstar]

Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

Elephant is... god.

It's very obviously a character and my eyes just glaze over when I read his posts, but I would bet a dollar he's like this regardless of alignment so he's just going to be a PITA to play with. Really hope he's not town. Might be town anyway. Where's the fricking sigh emote when you need it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

It’s like playing with Glorf if Glorf were an elephant

[Evenstar]

Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.

Then again, maybe it's just meta I don't have making Mac come to Jack's defense.

I will say it's super fucking weird to me that four people are townreading creature. There's almost def a scum in that, and I'm side-eyeing Mac pretty hard right now.

Are you saying that because you think their read on me looks fake or you just want to discredit their townread on me?

Think someone here has TMI. Personally don't see why you deserve four townreads from your post history, but if that many people are saying it it's probably true.