An Australian Country Murder Mystery (Day 4)

[Epignosis]

If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Never use the term "sweetheart" and "coupon" the same sentence with me, snookums. I may be cheap, but I'm not free.

[Sloonei]

[mention]nutella[/mention] help me figure out how to read G-Man and Long Con. Are either of them town?

[nutella]

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

[Epignosis]

Piss - drink beer- conquer Rome - go to bed

That's my agenda tonight.

Australians regularly do three of the above things.

[nutella]

@nutella help me figure out how to read G-Man and Long Con. Are either of them town?

I'm feeling pretty null on G, and it's been a while so not confident in my ability to read him. Leaning scum on LC. I know he tends to be fairly laid-back but I expect at least something mildly spicy from him from time to time and I don't see the spark.

[Epignosis]

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

[Sloonei]

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No you fucking have not!

[Sloonei]

Nice emoji application, Robin.

[Dom]

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

[Dom]

If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Never use the term "sweetheart" and "coupon" the same sentence with me, snookums. I may be cheap, but I'm not free.

Honey, you might as well be free.

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

I think you're jumping over something.
I can think two people are buddying, even if I don't know their alignments.

[Sloonei]

nutella's ISO looks fine to me. Jack's freaking out about a couple of votes compounds my suspicion.

Pulling this quote out as an example of why I struggle to scum read Long Con here. I don't see him defaulting to the first available bandwagon so easily in a game where he's bad. I feel like he tends to be more proactive than that, but that is based on relatively limited experience with bad LC.

[Epignosis]

If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Never use the term "sweetheart" and "coupon" the same sentence with me, snookums. I may be cheap, but I'm not free.

Honey, you might as well be free.

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

I think you're jumping over something.
I can think two people are buddying, even if I don't know their alignments.

Explain Michelle's accusation in a way that makes sense for a civilian to make on Day 1 then.

[nutella]

But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

Well, I disagree.

I'm pretty sure I've made a similar argument before, that someone I suspected was pocketing someone I townread. It's just a matter of what your assumptions are going in.

[Sloonei]

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

Sloonei, since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

The only one I object to is me. Your take on sabie is probably the most compelling argument I've seen against her. Sabie was bad in two of the most recent games I played but in both of those games I found myself defending her throughout, so I'm a bit weary of her while also trying not to tunnel her. She's made a few posts in here that evoke memories of those games.

At the moment I'm suddenly inspired to figure out G-Man. If we remove the "4 scenarios" post, what are the strongest points for or against him?

[Epignosis]

There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:

Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella

Sloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.

And Quin is missing

Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.

I didn’t know Quin was in the game until after I posted the list. And I really appreciate how you think my agenda is visible because of the positioning of two people. What’s my agenda? Save my teammate DF? Lynch Sloonei? Well if my agenda is lynch Sloonei then why did I say he was townier than you? That would have been a mistake.

your agenda is to shade me. I think your attitude towards Sloonei is pockety .

This is a two-way accusation. Tony is "shading" Michelle (silly term, that, but her word, not mine). Tony is being "pockety" toward Sloonei? That implies Michelle knows Sloonei's alignment.

This is not a civilian Michelle. This is a bad Michelle.

[nutella]

At this point I'm not going to change my mind due to Epi repeating the same thing over and over. I need to see Michelle's response.

[Dom]

... she could just think that sloonei is civ.

Epi, I just don't get why you're reading that the way you are.

[Epignosis]

She could. Or she could be bad.

[Sloonei]

I can easily see a universe where Michelle is a civilian who was tunneling Tony at the end of Day 1. There's also another thing I'm unsure of that I'll bring up in a separate post.

[Epignosis]

Let me raise a different question: Does anybody here have a reason to believe Michelle is a civilian?

[Epignosis]

Batman. My dude.

[Dom]

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

Sloonei, since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

The only one I object to is me. Your take on sabie is probably the most compelling argument I've seen against her. Sabie was bad in two of the most recent games I played but in both of those games I found myself defending her throughout, so I'm a bit weary of her while also trying not to tunnel her. She's made a few posts in here that evoke memories of those games.

At the moment I'm suddenly inspired to figure out G-Man. If we remove the "4 scenarios" post, what are the strongest points for or against him?

I'm not 100% sold on Michelle. I want to see her and sabie take on what's been discussed tonight.

G-Man? I'd need to do a full iso for detail. But I'll say that I'm hoping for more 4 scenarios and less rely on summarizing what everyone else has said.

[Sloonei]

You are talking about my confidence, this is a playstyle thing. I explained what I expected from him. This kind of things he did I noticed at scum. I am sorry he was villager, if you think my lynch will avenge him go ahead.

Complaining about how I am confident, your post below isn't TMI?

Jack is town.

How were you so confident?

This post is from earlier today, after I'd explained to Michelle my reasons for suspecting her. Part of her response is to throw a "TMI" argument back at me based on my town read of Jack yesterday. I am unsure what to do with this. It seems like an obscure thing to bring up in an exchange like this, to the point where I am not sure that I believe a murderous australian would have the presence of mind to recall or dig up a post like this in the heat of the moment. Part of me feels like this point is too minute to have been fabricated.
And if I receive this as a civilian stance, then I also can see the same attitude reflected in her tunneling of Tony at the end of the phase yesterday.

[Sloonei]

Batman. My dude.

Batman would never want to harm an innocent citizen of Gotham. That's why he asked the Joker 10,000 questions before deciding he wasn't good.

[Epignosis]

I will follow you tomorrow Master Sloonei.

[Sloonei]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

[Sloonei]

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

Sloonei, since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

The only one I object to is me. Your take on sabie is probably the most compelling argument I've seen against her. Sabie was bad in two of the most recent games I played but in both of those games I found myself defending her throughout, so I'm a bit weary of her while also trying not to tunnel her. She's made a few posts in here that evoke memories of those games.

At the moment I'm suddenly inspired to figure out G-Man. If we remove the "4 scenarios" post, what are the strongest points for or against him?

I'm not 100% sold on Michelle. I want to see her and sabie take on what's been discussed tonight.

G-Man? I'd need to do a full iso for detail. But I'll say that I'm hoping for more 4 scenarios and less rely on summarizing what everyone else has said.

Agreed on both points. I have several questions for all the suspects, but they're not here to provide answers. So I feel a bit limited.
G-man's follow up to his last post of the night will be helpful, I hope. It seems like he's set himself to the task of exploring vote trends, which was always his thing in the past. That'll be a fresh angle, at least.

[Sloonei]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

[Sloonei]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

I am.

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

I am.

Then shut the fuck up and accept the double vote power I am conferring upon you.

I have a brutal schedule coming up and on top of that I have to work like a bitch.

Don't overthink it. It's really that plain.

[Sloonei]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

I am.

Then shut the fuck up and accept the double vote power I am conferring upon you.

I have a brutal schedule coming up and on top of that I have to work like a bitch.

Don't overthink it. It's really that plain.

I already accepted it. But with great power comes great responsibility.

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

I am.

Then shut the fuck up and accept the double vote power I am conferring upon you.

I have a brutal schedule coming up and on top of that I have to work like a bitch.

Don't overthink it. It's really that plain.

I already accepted it. But with great power comes great responsibility.

Long as you understand it's your responsibility. I'm tied up until after Christmas.

Get er done.

I'm off to bed. Tat ta.

[nutella]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

Is he succeeding? :P

[nutella]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.

Are you a civilian?

I am.

Then shut the fuck up and accept the double vote power I am conferring upon you.

I have a brutal schedule coming up and on top of that I have to work like a bitch.

Don't overthink it. It's really that plain.

hm

[Michelle]

Good morning, monday was really busy, I am behind 2 pages but I will answer at everything.

No wonder I have 3 votes being inactive :/

[Michelle]

I talked about why I think Michelle’s progression on Tony was bogus here and I’d like to hear what others have to say about her.

Michelle responded here.

The only part of your gripes with her I really got was your point that scum are more likely to accuse people for focusing on mechanics rather than being the ones to bring up mechanics themselves. I think I still lean town on Michelle by default but it's not that strong so I'm hoping your dialogue with her will develop more today, I expect if she's town it'll shine through to me and if it doesn't I may join you.

The part that concerns me most is her suggestion that she believed Tony to have had a clear agenda of shading her at the end of Day 1. I get that we can all tend to feel like we're being unfairly persecuted if somebody accuses us of something that's not there, but I simply don't see anything that looks like what Michelle was alleging toward the end of Day 1.

Like I've said a couple of times, if Tony was scum there, his goal would have been to try to get civilians on his side, not to antagonize one of the only active civilians in the thread at that time. Michelle seemed to confidently assert her belief that Tony had a clear agenda. I don't believe that any level of confidence should have existed at all on that point.

You are talking about my confidence, this is a playstyle thing. I explained what I expected from him. This kind of things he did I noticed at scum. I am sorry he was villager, if you think my lynch will avenge him go ahead.

But why did you expect that from him? I understand what your suspicions, but I do not understand why you had them. What specifically made you feel like Tony had an agenda to frame you?

Complaining about how I am confident, your post below isn't TMI?

Jack is town.

How were you so confident?

No. That’s just me reading a player as town.

Nothing other than paranoia, now that I read it again..

Maybe, but you didn't say "my read is Jack is town", the sentence was just "Jack is town".
Should I trust you? I don't know your playstyle to be sure.

[Michelle]

There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:

Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella

Sloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.

And Quin is missing

Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.

I didn’t know Quin was in the game until after I posted the list. And I really appreciate how you think my agenda is visible because of the positioning of two people. What’s my agenda? Save my teammate DF? Lynch Sloonei? Well if my agenda is lynch Sloonei then why did I say he was townier than you? That would have been a mistake.

your agenda is to shade me. I think your attitude towards Sloonei is pockety .

This is a two-way accusation. Tony is "shading" Michelle (silly term, that, but her word, not mine). Tony is being "pockety" toward Sloonei? That implies Michelle knows Sloonei's alignment.

This is not a civilian Michelle. This is a bad Michelle.

reading Tony mafia and Sloonei villager, that was my train of thoughts.

[Michelle]

Prodded.

LLD gave us just one post. I reffuse to give her a town read based on it.

[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention] come play

[Michelle]

ignore the laughing smiley -_- i pressed it accidentally

[Michelle]

where is everyone?

[Michelle]

i'll be back later after work

[Dom]

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

I... literally...

I just....


Why do I even.... ?

Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

OK maybe I'm just like really gay, but like...

what's the difference?

In my day, we called it buddying.

[Quin]

probably not gonna be here for eod, so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine. sloonei would also work. night.

[Dom]

probably not gonna be here for eod, so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine. sloonei would also work. night.

This feels icky

[Dom]

Specifically voting off wagon when its pretty obvious that sabie is gonna move her vote to self preserve?

Just feels like Quin doesn't want to help either lynch train.

[sabie12]

Dom is right I am moving my vote to Michelle right now. She at least popped in to kind of respond to accusations on her but I'm not really feeling she's trying to defend anything that anyone throws her way for suspicions. Her reasoning for suspecting tony wasn't explained well and she doesn't seem to be trying to do so.


Also I'm not sure what to think of the sloonei/epi dynamic. I have been seeing it as epi doesnt really have time to play so he just kinda throws suspicion around and does whatever he feels like because he's not super invested in it.
[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

[nutella]

probably not gonna be here for eod, so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine. sloonei would also work. night.

why? and why would sloonei "also work"??? please clarify

also what are your thoughts on the two leading wagons, sabie and michelle? no input there? have you been reading?

[nutella]

I feel okay about michelle's response. Staying on sabie to hopefully keep eod interesting