[END] Hope Keeps On Going - Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Mafia

[tedxtr]

The conclusion of my analysis doesn't even amount to wagonomics.

The whole point is the clash of mentalities that is going on, hide / blend in and standing out, which is not progressive, it's contradictory.

And it reeks of agenda, not even a progression. That's not a townie progression.

[tedxtr]

Because he has that clash in the same post, although he's obviously trying to outline the overall idea that Monokuma would prefer hiding and blending in a wagon, but the actions he's describing, such as jumping at essentially before EoD on a worthless wagon is literally standing out, not hiding.

[tedxtr]

You guys are probably doing a really huge mistake by not lynching Okosan right now. If I'm wrong, it's still fine, because *reasons*.

Yes, reasons are also involved for scum reading Okosan here. Although it's slim and it's just theory that needs to be confirmed, I do have reasons, and it's a pro-town lynch. Trust me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I like Tony’s shortlist.

It agrees with a mix of my reads and Insomnia’s.

I’ll keep in mind Coo could be scum for raisins.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

[Turnip Head]

Was Okosan recruited last night?
I think he could have been, but it's just a temporary vibe atm

[Sloonei]

Was Okosan recruited last night?
I think he could have been, but it's just a temporary vibe atm

gimme that vibe

[Turnip Head]

An hour ago I felt strongly about Okosan being recruited because he went quiet after sunrise, but after tedxtr unleashed on him I felt like I should restrain my suspicion a little bit and let it play out

[Dragon D. Luffy]

day one : okosan thinks monokuma is gonna hop on / start a bandwagon / sheep people's votes on wagons (epi's vote)

day two : okosan thinks we should not pay attention to the biggest wagons

Hmm that doesn't sound fair. The first one means Okosan wanted to be part of the wagon. The second one means Okosan wants to suspect people who were not part of the wagons. It's consistent.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

I mean....even in a scum to town note pass?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Cooo? (Furthurmore Ted if Okosan was scum why wouldn't he just find a reason to jump on DDL? Yes it's so much better to go against the grain of what, in this scenario, is almost entirely town)

This is wifom though. The day is not over. You can vote for me later to save yourself. Or you can let me die without doing anything if you don't need to.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

I mean....even in a scum to town note pass?

I don't have much experience with those but I think Okosan said he would "hire a translator" so yeah it's an exception.

What I mean is, in normal game situations, you have to put Okosan in a lot of stress for him to break the roleplay. He even does it in btsc.

[Turnip Head]

Is it really roleplay or just a gimmick? His thoughts and words are not constructed especially bird-like. he just coo's before each paragraph, and the coo's do not change in pitch, intonation or duration.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oof caught up finally.

Ok so I'm not really feeling this mechanic-based Monokuma hunting. Not just because it's getting people to vote for me, lol. It's just it's confusing and wifomy and ultimately feels like a chore.

I want to scumhunt the classic way. That said I'll also kind of lost with how to do that.

I didn't like Okosan's recent wifom defense so I might vote there. Otherwise I think it's likely the baddies are just lurking, and there are some people like Sig, Fayt, Dom and Creature who seem to be just coasting.

As for town reads... I like Jack but he also seems extremely engaged which makes me afraid of him, because scum Jack is engaged. Sloone is giving me some legit vibes. Tex is okay. The rest is whatever.

[Turnip Head]

I googled okosan and it's an existing character so perhaps I just don't get the reference

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Is it really roleplay or just a gimmick? His thoughts and words are not constructed especially bird-like. he just coo's before each paragraph, and the coo's do not change in pitch, intonation or duration.

Well, I guess gimmick fits better then. Or maybe he is roleplaying as an intelligent bird.

[Sloonei]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, Okosan is quite clearly a pigeon.

[Turnip Head]

Is it really roleplay or just a gimmick? His thoughts and words are not constructed especially bird-like. he just coo's before each paragraph, and the coo's do not change in pitch, intonation or duration.

Well, I guess gimmick fits better then. Or maybe he is roleplaying as an intelligent bird.

Yeah he's like Groot but with a beak

[Okosan]

Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

[Sloonei]

Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

you are still voting for me

[Okosan]

COOO! (Yeah. He didn't say he retracted the voting for you part. Okosan said he retracted the, "if he was scum he would just vote DDL" part. Anyays Okosan's home now so he can actually read through the thread easier now)

[Okosan]

Cooo... (Guys. Is it really that hard to accept that Okosan is a sentient bird from the future? Jeez)

[Sloonei]

COOO! (Yeah. He didn't say he retracted the voting for you part. Okosan said he retracted the, "if he was scum he would just vote DDL" part. Anyays Okosan's home now so he can actually read through the thread easier now)

my point is more that it's not the correct place to be voting and you should move it. posthaste, chop chop, time's a wasting

[Okosan]

Coooooooo! (Like, if Okosan is correct in what happened is Monokuma didn't want to be in the main wagons due to how close they were it makes a lot of sense for it to be Sloonei is the thing. If you look at their posts, they say they are voting Epi right before they do the random switch to JackOfHearts when the wagons are actually close. Now maybe that isn't the case because Okosan can't actually see the vote history or anything, but assuming they didn't switch without announcing it before Sloonei is following the scenario exactly)

[Okosan]

Cooo! (Question who was on what wagon yesterday again? Specifically the main ones but if there's a way to see the other ones that's cool too)

[Sloonei]

Coooooooo! (Like, if Okosan is correct in what happened is Monokuma didn't want to be in the main wagons due to how close they were it makes a lot of sense for it to be Sloonei is the thing. If you look at their posts, they say they are voting Epi right before they do the random switch to JackOfHearts when the wagons are actually close. Now maybe that isn't the case because Okosan can't actually see the vote history or anything, but assuming they didn't switch without announcing it before Sloonei is following the scenario exactly)

I would not make myself that easy to catch.

[Sloonei]

Cooo! (Question who was on what wagon yesterday again? Specifically the main ones but if there's a way to see the other ones that's cool too)

polls

[Long Con]

Jack let's vote Long Con

[VOTE: Long Con ] aubergine

WTF is this? What behind-the-scenes crap are you trying to pull?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, Okosan is quite clearly a pigeon.

Sloonei gets it.

[Okosan]

Coooooooo! (Like, if Okosan is correct in what happened is Monokuma didn't want to be in the main wagons due to how close they were it makes a lot of sense for it to be Sloonei is the thing. If you look at their posts, they say they are voting Epi right before they do the random switch to JackOfHearts when the wagons are actually close. Now maybe that isn't the case because Okosan can't actually see the vote history or anything, but assuming they didn't switch without announcing it before Sloonei is following the scenario exactly)

I would not make myself that easy to catch.

COO! (Oh well now that you put it that way Okosan believes you )

[TonyStarkPrime]

He's changing his mentality in order to further his voting agenda is my point.

Okay this is what I thought you were getting at. The ideology comes from the case, it doesn't lead to it. That's scummy. But I don't think it's strong enough to overcome the other reasoning.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bird

I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

I mean

"Coo! (Monokuma thinks you've all been naughty children!)" seems like it would be a pretty iffy way to go about doing a day post. Good way to incriminate someone though.

[Long Con]

Coo! (Pardon Long Con's last post, he thought he was caught up at that point, only to discover three or four unread pages he hadn't noticed)

Coo! ( [mention]Sloonei[/mention] "I would not make myself that easy to catch." What would Sloonei do, then, as Monokuma?)

[Sloonei]

Coo! (Pardon Long Con's last post, he thought he was caught up at that point, only to discover three or four unread pages he hadn't noticed)

Coo! ( @Sloonei "I would not make myself that easy to catch." What would Sloonei do, then, as Monokuma?)

Probably keep myself involved and engaged with Day 1 stuff and either not care about voting on big bandwaongs or be more subtle about avoiding them. I said yesterday that my approach as bear would be to pretend to have a clue how to hunt for bear.

[Sloonei]

But I also don't really think that question addresses anything important or can be answered satisfactorily. If you suspect any player of being bad, then any answer they give to a question like that can only be treated through the lens of wifom.

The point I was trying to make in my initial comment is that I'm not going to be that sloppy as Day 1 when I'm presumably the only anti-town role in the game to that point.

[Rej]

@Rej fam read my iso it's time we worked together

Sloonei?

[Rej]

Cooo... (Guys. Is it really that hard to accept that Okosan is a sentient bird from the future? Jeez)

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] man he is town I feel, he is too genuine

[Sloonei]

@Rej fam read my iso it's time we worked together

Sloonei?

Yes?

[Long Con]

If Jack PMed the bear, he has almost certainly made an offer to work with him somehow, in order to increase his own chance to win. I don't know what that would look like, but being able to PM back and forth indiscriminately offers a lot of possibility. I don't trust Jack to work for the students, against Monokuma.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[Rej]

lets just lynch Creature or so, he would be an easy recruit laying low

[Rej]

@Rej fam read my iso it's time we worked together

Sloonei?

Yes?

[Sloonei]

@Rej fam read my iso it's time we worked together

Sloonei?

Yes?

I have so many more questions now than I did before.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If Jack PMed the bear, he has almost certainly made an offer to work with him somehow, in order to increase his r look like, but being able to PM back and forth indiscriminately offers a lot of possibility. I don't trust Jack to work for the students, against Monokuma.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

Hey hey.

The only way I could work with Monokuma would be to reveal my true name to a role holding a death note.

One does not negotiate with bears. One lays traps for them.

[Long Con]

And you wouldn't have the balls to do that...

... wouldja, Jack?

[Long Con]

"Dear Monokuma,

Hi, this is Jack, and my role is X. You could easily soup kill me, but wouldn't it be better to have someone *unlynchable* on your team?

Do the right thing. Choose me, you know I won't let you down.

Jack"

[Sloonei]

Vote: Sloonei

In a game where the objective is at least partially to survive, I have no qualms saying that I would like to Lynch the player who's very good at lynching me. This is probably why people tell me I'm too honest when we play Diplomacy.

Me: "so yeah I think we should invade France, but just so you know if you support my movement into Paris I can dislodge your unit in Munich and that would be of greater strategic gain to me"
Germany: "so... I shouldn't help you?"
Me: "No you should but I would probably betray you almost immediately"

I'd only go after you if I thought you had something to hide.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And you wouldn't have the balls to do that...

... wouldja, Jack?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I could see Jack risking the soup kill just for the thrill of it and the chance of joining the cult.

There is more to this game than just the wincon. Especially a game based on a series he loves.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't like any of the current options.

Can we lynch Creature,

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine