Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m so confused and I think I’m being tricked by people who aren’t Jay and Slooneo

[TonyStarkPrime]

gosh darn it if it’s Jack

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay you better believe I’m doing some reading tomorrow I refuse to rely on JJJ and Sloonei’s novels any more.

I think I said that yesterday and then didn’t successfully get Speed lynched.

[Michelle]

Also I agree with Michelle, at least one of the vanilla voters are mafia.

Every time I read this post I wonder if contains TMI or it's a piece of Wifom

the unflipped vanilla voters are now Speed, Jack, Tony, and GMan. Way too many
But i don't remember who joined the vanilla wagon after this post, because iirc someone voted after and that player should be out of this idea.

Put this aside as not relevant though.

Working in my office on pc in coffee break and few more free moment i will find. Covid paranoia is not at maximum yet

[Michelle]

Okay you better believe I’m doing some reading tomorrow I refuse to rely on JJJ and Sloonei’s novels any more.

I think I said that yesterday and then didn’t successfully get Speed lynched.

please reformulate this for me.

[Michelle]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

[Michelle]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

What is a meh read?

Meh: you're just kinda meh, guess if I had to classify it in your archaic way I'd say mafia lean.

Pending a massive scum slip I'd say there's no real way to have a strong read this early in the game. So I am a bit antsy on the people who are throwing town reads like candy.

Did ted and Michelle earn their candy?

First they're still leans. I'm not singing their praising or locking them people are already trying to form a town core which is all well and good until you accidentally town core mafia and they get away with sleazy stuff until it's to late. Which happens all the time.

Who is doing this, sig?

Mainly seems like Jack/Ted. Whom are throwing out alot of strong reads.

Now just to clarify nobody is using the term town core, but me at this point. But, I think it's the natural step when making to many reads early on and it's something to avoid

linki: No Sloonie I'd never say that about you

If Ted would be the Anti monitor his team mate would not ruin his narrative methinks.

the Sloonei pocketing in linki noted.

[Michelle]

talking about a slip is this how Sig treated his scum mate Radishes.

Spoiler: show

Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

I actually loved svs question until she made it green.

That’s the opposite of the correct process

No, if he doesnt use baddie and it slipped out could be since they're on a scum team with an old player and picked up the slang or just heard it.

Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

I actually loved svs question until she made it green.

I felt like Nanook was making fun of it,like it was a stupid question

He was, probably since he's scum buddy with radish.

SVS asking Radishes where he picked up the word “baddie” should not be made into a thing, please.

Why not

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

@MacDougall
@Epignosis

[Michelle]

Early Sig's interactions with JJJ. Being the slip he "noticed" from Radishes, would he bus JJJ too?
Thinking we want to lynch today the Anti monitor, are we sure he is JJJ?

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

What is a meh read?

Meh: you're just kinda meh, guess if I had to classify it in your archaic way I'd say mafia lean.

Pending a massive scum slip I'd say there's no real way to have a strong read this early in the game. So I am a bit antsy on the people who are throwing town reads like candy.

Any scum feels awkward at a player who gives town reads because the town core is the biggest fear for wolves. Would this be a bus or a shade for someone not aligned with Sig?

Why is SVS a plus? Why is sig a minus?

sig's "meh" reads on Nanook and I seemed arbitrary. The vagueness of "meh" aside, the inclusions of the reads at all struck me as off. @sig why are Nanook and I meh?

Good question. The answer? Reasons. What reasons you may ask? The reasonable type of course.

I think the answer for a team mate would be different and with other words, and more elaborate. Idk, maybe someone can confirm I am right or not?

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

What is a meh read?

Meh: you're just kinda meh, guess if I had to classify it in your archaic way I'd say mafia lean.

Pending a massive scum slip I'd say there's no real way to have a strong read this early in the game. So I am a bit antsy on the people who are throwing town reads like candy.

Did ted and Michelle earn their candy?

First they're still leans. I'm not singing their praising or locking them people are already trying to form a town core which is all well and good until you accidentally town core mafia and they get away with sleazy stuff until it's to late. Which happens all the time.

Second:
Michelle is mainly based off of gut
Ted is based off previous games this is well within his civ meta. Everything from jumping in, to his semi aggressiveness and all that jazz. Now it's still early easy to fake meta, but I'm confident in those two loans.

The convo continues in a tone who is irritated from Sig's side imo.
A little hypocrisy here, he complains of a town core formed by JJJ but he gives 2 gut and meta reads. The meta read on Ted is correct though and didn't ping me.
BUT I want to know how much played Sig with Ted previously to know this.
Ftr, my first game with Ted is from last june and Ted is a paranoid villager usually very active and with strong reads beliefs. He likes to lead and are pushing lynches he thinks are scum.

Why is SVS a plus? Why is sig a minus?

sig's "meh" reads on Nanook and I seemed arbitrary. The vagueness of "meh" aside, the inclusions of the reads at all struck me as off. @sig why are Nanook and I meh?

Good question. The answer? Reasons. What reasons you may ask? The reasonable type of course.

minus

Minus is good right? Like your subtracting how scummy you think I am.

Also I do have reasons for my Nanook/Jay reads, was planning until day 1 to start harping on them though.

Also Also it's fun to try and annoy Jay , since I'm pretty sure he's gotten me mislynched like multiple times.

imo JJJ and Sig are not aligned.

[Michelle]

post 160 shades Juliets?

And juliet is 3p she picked sorbet which isn't ice cream its sorbet.

And juliet is 3p she picked sorbet which isn't ice cream its sorbet.

Lol sig, look at the poll question: "Which flavor is your favorite?" not "Which flavor ice cream is your favorite?" Someone brought this up earlier.

That's just what someone who's third party would say.

work in progress here, I will continue after a while but now I am posting to not loose it.

[Michelle]

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

Dizzy didn't flip wolf and Nanook died early.

Who knows how this read on Sloonei evolved?

maybe not the good place to search, but..

[tedxtr]

Michelle, you’re forced to vote

Who do you vote for?

[tedxtr]

Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

[juliets]

Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

ted, I think there is something fishy about dead Dizzy but he can't be the Anti-monitor. If he was, I think LC would have told us that team was gone when sig died. At least thats what he has done in his games of the past - let's double check.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] would you tell us if a team were eliminated?

[juliets]

<snip>

The meta read on Ted is correct though and didn't ping me.
BUT I want to know how much played Sig with Ted previously to know this.
Ftr, my first game with Ted is from last june and Ted is a paranoid villager usually very active and with strong reads beliefs. He likes to lead and are pushing lynches he thinks are scum.

<snip>

Michelle, I'm interested in your ted meta here. From reading his games I agree with your assessment. Do you think he has played this way in this game? My thought is he has had periods of no or low activity and the only real push I have seen was against me for something I didn't say. What do you think?

[juliets]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

[Michelle]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

[juliets]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.

[Michelle]

Michelle, you’re forced to vote

Who do you vote for?

Gth? Idk. I am still thinking.

why is GMan the lynch today for you?

[Michelle]

<snip>

The meta read on Ted is correct though and didn't ping me.
BUT I want to know how much played Sig with Ted previously to know this.
Ftr, my first game with Ted is from last june and Ted is a paranoid villager usually very active and with strong reads beliefs. He likes to lead and are pushing lynches he thinks are scum.

<snip>

Michelle, I'm interested in your ted meta here. From reading his games I agree with your assessment. Do you think he has played this way in this game? My thought is he has had periods of no or low activity and the only real push I have seen was against me for something I didn't say. What do you think?

I will read his Iso and tell you this. Since I've read all the posts (last few days) he really didn't.
I would like an answer for the cyan text.

[Michelle]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention] ,
[mention]speedchuck[/mention] ,
[mention]Tranq[/mention] ,
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
What do you think?

[tedxtr]

Sig played like 2 games with me

[tedxtr]

I will discredit any and every meta read on me because last time me and michelle played with me scum was like one year ago

I’ve been on hiatus, then had numerous scum games on MS.

I’m not the Creature 2018 meta read anymore

[tedxtr]

Juliets, I don’t like you holding me accountable for whatever you assume to be my meta when you yourself can’t find any reason for anyone being scum.

Everyone is sapped and confused, so am I, maybe that’s why, or maybe I’m just frustrated at G-Man still being alive when he’s most likely just scum and nobody is even keen to check him out and agree or disagree with me.

I’m at a stage where my most confident read is not regarded as even slight scum by anyone and how would you even react in this situation? I’m tired of having to constantly point out the obvious, of course I don’t have the drive.

[tedxtr]

Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

[Michelle]

Another idea I have regarding the role who gives green check, while we can tinfoil Jack because of that, he is never the Anti Monitor. (AM)

Bari Artzain - You appear town to alignment checks. 

Who has the lowest AM equity?

[Michelle]

Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

he was helpful in the dream level by bringing itt the vote count I made in text form. Looked towny.
Why would scum do that? Maybe just if the VC of first 3 days is wifom-y?

give me your case on Gman scum pls

[Michelle]

I will discredit any and every meta read on me because last time me and michelle played with me scum was like one year ago

I’ve been on hiatus, then had numerous scum games on MS.

I’m not the Creature 2018 meta read anymore

fair.

why not tell me though why are you villager? You didn't answer iirc, sorry if you did and i didn't notice, and if so link it to me.

[Michelle]

Sig played like 2 games with me

which games?

[tedxtr]

All my circuits and danganronpa

I told you I never town case myself

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.

@TonyStarkPrime
@Epignosis ,
@speedchuck ,
@Tranq ,
@Jackofhearts2005
What do you think?

I think in isolation, I'm not going to worry too much about that post. I think Jay is in the master mafia anyhow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Bigger fish etc.

[Jackofhearts2005]

gosh darn it if it’s Jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

Antimonitor is bulletproof.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And Dizzy was shot by the other mafia. They were town.

[tedxtr]

oh yeah true

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck why am I bad

I wish I'd have been lynched yesterday.

You're scapegoating me.

As if I'm capable of doing that.

I could dig up Turnip Head's case on you, or try to slot you into the other mafia team. Or you could be a malicious independent. I've said before that I don't keep track of all that crap. Those efforts, in my eye, pale to the post above.

You are fitting your scum meta to a T. The calls for effort and readlists feel obligatory. You don't have the joy that town Jay does in figuring things out. Your handling of me is as half-assed as my handling of you. Now we have you getting upset with town effort, appeals to emotion, etc.

I dislike telling anyone why they're scum, as it feels needlessly confrontational in tone compared to making the case to a third party. But you did ask.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm about 80% sure Jay is scum. Which is a compliment!

I'm totally prepared to dig into Speed, Sloonei and GMan should I be correct. I'm just thinking one thing at a time.

Winning strategy might be lynch a master -> lynch antimonitor -> lynch master -> lynch master.

I'm not worried about the last neutral at all.

Should probably read Dizzy to figure out what role they had. Could make a difference.

I'm also under the impression that Dom had BTSC with both Epi and Dizzy, which should increase the chances of them being town and mostly roughly clear them of being Antimonitor because Antimonitor had no safeclaim as far as I can tell and the bodies are piling up.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] the more you can post the better. I townread you. I don't want a repeat of Danganronpa where I incorrectly POE you and I really don't want a repeat of Mountainous (which was an amazing game nontheless) or Girl Genius where I give you the benefit of the doubt until it's too late. Ie keep doing what you're doing right now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speed will probably be the easiest player to read after Jay flips.

I'm considering most of what happens after the Jay wagon was built as possible wine. Like I don't care about Jay and Speed fighting now or Jay and Sloonei fighting now.

[tedxtr]

so none of my reads are getting lynched today either?

[Long Con]

Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

ted, I think there is something fishy about dead Dizzy but he can't be the Anti-monitor. If he was, I think LC would have told us that team was gone when sig died. At least thats what he has done in his games of the past - let's double check.

@Long Con would you tell us if a team were eliminated?

Yes.

[tedxtr]

Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

he was helpful in the dream level by bringing itt the vote count I made in text form. Looked towny.
Why would scum do that? Maybe just if the VC of first 3 days is wifom-y?

give me your case on Gman scum pls

this can't be a serious post

[speedchuck]

Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

he was helpful in the dream level by bringing itt the vote count I made in text form. Looked towny.
Why would scum do that? Maybe just if the VC of first 3 days is wifom-y?

give me your case on Gman scum pls

this can't be a serious post

If you're talking about the second part, I have no idea what your case on G-man is. I went back several pages in your ISO, but all I see is 'Lynch G-man' over and over, back to like night two and beyond.

Has your case evolved since D1? Do you have any actions to point to, or just a feeling of him skating by? I get that there's not a great reason to read G-man as town either, but come on. If you're so certain he's scum, could you point us to why?

[tedxtr]

I was talking about the first point mostly.

I mean it still goes on from D1 but there's really nobody else I scum read as hard as I do on him, but I guess the early engagement I had with him and the interest I had in lynching his slot kind of left a stain on my brain and I can't get rid of it until I'm proven wrong.

compromising with the majority would mean lynching the one dude who i have a town read on and I just can't vote him.

[tedxtr]

He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

TH and Sprityo didn't do much of anything and were town.

Tranq hasn't done much of anything and he's very likely town.

We can't afford to lynch on a basis of activity level when there are players doing scummy things.

[tedxtr]

G-man did do scummy things though

and saying just because the low posters were in a major proportion town doesn't clear the remaining ones in the slightest.

I don't even know what you're stringing jimmy for, I do remember his TH interaction being terribad but I wouldn't lynch just on that tbh.

[Michelle]

He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

The main problem in being town is complacency. Look at Turnip, he didn't give townie vibes at all and got lynched instead searching for scum. So if you are villager you have to be more active.
We are not in good spot anymore like we were after lyncing Sig because since then we just lost townies.

Your self defense is a must not as a case, but i need few words to help me to understand you better. I didn't read all the thread and I can't do this. Your Iso looks less important than flipped scums', no offence.
As you see I am discovering now things and repost them. At least don't ignore me and help me.

The case on GMan you made no matter when, link it to me, I am serious about this.

[tedxtr]

It's not really a case in one post it's like scattered suspicion.

And I'm not sure what the snark is about, given you were the one to say you were gonna check out my ISO like 7 times already. Why are you dragging it?

Moreover, if you have that meta knowledge of me, you know you can get a read on me from like the first page of my ISO or so.

[Jackofhearts2005]

G-man did do scummy things though

and saying just because the low posters were in a major proportion town doesn't clear the remaining ones in the slightest.

I don't even know what you're stringing jimmy for, I do remember his TH interaction being terribad but I wouldn't lynch just on that tbh.

I'm not clearing GMan in the slightest either.