Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[Epignosis]

I don't know the answer to that. What would satisfy you? I've already said I think ts is engaging in bullshit discussion about mechanics and people who talk about mechanics. ts looks nervous. Like someone who bit off more than he can chew and is trying to make himself out to be the big fish regardless.

Remind me to tell you about the Yetifish of Many Point Scout Camp.

You might want to remind yourself to do that.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: tsaccount] aubergine

My concerns about ts have not been addressed, but I am now having a harder time reading his utter frustration with me as anything but genuine.

My vote stands. Convince me otherwise.

Why does your vote stand where it stands? Is this a social distancing thing?

I'll make this real simple for you. Ready?

I think ts is

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mafia

If I were to ask why, would you give me a satisfying answer?

I don't know the answer to that. What would satisfy you? I've already said I think ts is engaging in bullshit discussion about mechanics and people who talk about mechanics. ts looks nervous. Like someone who bit off more than he can chew and is trying to make himself out to be the big fish regardless.

Satisfying.

[Sloonei]

Gimme the up-to-the-minute condensed version of this read please.

I had a page one mindmeld with leetic, so right off the bat I was looking at them to be town. Their snapback onto me over our 1v1 felt very "leetic" in that it was misconstrued, something leetic does quite often. But what struck me about it was how much it felt like fear of pocketing- it seemed like a direct response to my town read of the slot. This is a little bit tempered by their insistence that they have no fear of pocketing, and it means I have to decide whether leetic is lying about fear of pocketing or if that post was as weird and bizarre as everyone else seemed to think it was. Currently, I agree with them that there should not be four players on their wagon, and I do think funnygurl has some scum equity. If I consider that I thought leetic to be town beforehand and funnygurl to be scum beforehand, funnygurl joining the leetic wagon is certainly a red flag for me and slightly solidifies both of these reads.

Satisfying.

Could you elaborate on the funnygurl read as well?

[leetic]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

[Epignosis]

Sloonei has orgasmed twice on this page. Must wash hands.

[Epignosis]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

[ts account]

Gimme the up-to-the-minute condensed version of this read please.

I had a page one mindmeld with leetic, so right off the bat I was looking at them to be town. Their snapback onto me over our 1v1 felt very "leetic" in that it was misconstrued, something leetic does quite often. But what struck me about it was how much it felt like fear of pocketing- it seemed like a direct response to my town read of the slot. This is a little bit tempered by their insistence that they have no fear of pocketing, and it means I have to decide whether leetic is lying about fear of pocketing or if that post was as weird and bizarre as everyone else seemed to think it was. Currently, I agree with them that there should not be four players on their wagon, and I do think funnygurl has some scum equity. If I consider that I thought leetic to be town beforehand and funnygurl to be scum beforehand, funnygurl joining the leetic wagon is certainly a red flag for me and slightly solidifies both of these reads.

Satisfying.

Could you elaborate on the funnygurl read as well?

I hate it when funnygurl claims wolf, but she does it almost every game. I believe she interacted with me in ways that suggested she knew or felt I was town, but I was not (and still am not) sure whether that was because of TMI or because of her just having a good read on me this time. If not for the angle of "look at his associations", I would say funnygurl is surely a wolf. But it is possible she has identified me as being something of a lone wolf in the thread and knows that I would be interacting with my wolf partners a lot if I was a wolf. She doesn't see that, so I can conceivably see this as a pure read from town Funnygurl. I think it is slightly more likely that she is scum at the moment, because the rest of her case on me did not feel fitting of our interactions earlier in the day.

[leetic]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

[Epignosis]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

[leetic]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

Beats me.

[Epignosis]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

Beats me.

What's your issue with speedchuck?

[Dragomir]

I was about to move my vote to leetic but I saw he already has 4 votes.

Why should that stop you?

[Dragomir]

Also [mention]Sloonei[/mention] what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

[leetic]

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

Beats me.

What's your issue with speedchuck?

He hasn't done much of note and what he has done (jokey posts, slight ts shade when the thread climate was against the former, going after LC (an easy target) is easy for scum to do.

[Epignosis]

My understanding is there's no deadline and we've got to just fuck somebody with votes. Isn't that how it goes?

[Dragomir]

May I interest you guys on TonyStarkPrime or TSP? Dawg hasn't done anything this game besides a few thoughts on me that haven't gone anywhere.

[Epignosis]

What about Long Con, the other person with at least two votes?

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

Beats me.

What's your issue with speedchuck?

He hasn't done much of note and what he has done (jokey posts, slight ts shade when the thread climate was against the former, going after LC (an easy target) is easy for scum to do.

That doesn't concern me. speedchuck has a new baby and new work from home shit. I'm not concerned.

[ts account]

All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

[Epignosis]

Yes I read that. I know what it says. I also know what other things say.

[ts account]

Yes I read that. I know what it says. I also know what other things say.

(X) Doubt

[Epignosis]

All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.

[Sloonei]

Funnygurl's handling of me also felt off, but I don't have any personal experience with her to draw from.

btw i don't think sloonei's posts have been incriminating so idk what you're tryna do mikey but alright

so anyway i came across a wattpad entry called "my girlfriend is actually a wolf girl" and about half of my six brain cells have atrophied

This is an early dismissal of the initial gripe against me. There's no real substance to it beyond "not incriminating." What would be incriminating, and why are my posts not it?

That said, I love where it is right now. Funnygurl555 tell me about your impression of things so far. You've said you don't see my posts as "incriminating." How do you see them, and how do you see the people who have pursued them?

right now your posts are nai for me. i've played one game (half of one???) with you before, so i can't rely on (based) meta reads. and tbh rn i think all this exchange is d0™ posting. i'm looking moreso towards leetic for casting suspicion towards you then letting you and mikey tango. how do i tell this forum that i don't want to tag myself a million times?

I asked her to follow up and she backed off before changing the subject. None of these words answer either of the two questions that I asked her.

Mechanical discussion is widely regarded as a scumtell because it's one of the easiest types of discussion to engage in.
Does anything in particular make you lean towards option one?

idk man sloonei strikes me as the type to be too sneaky to drop a tell like that

i like ted that leetic vote was SPICY

Returns to defending me against ts. This is twice that she has specifically argued against a suspicion somebody else was bringing against me, but at no point has she offered her own independent thoughts on the player called Sloonei.

Here she lumps me into her "town pile" for something else. I'm still not sure why that particular post generated a town read on me.

[Epignosis]

Yes I read that. I know what it says. I also know what other things say.

(X) Doubt

What is it you X DOUBT?

[ts account]

All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.

This is the worst post I've read today.

[Sloonei]

I was about to move my vote to leetic but I saw he already has 4 votes.

Why should that stop you?

A) My votes early in the phase are mostly about generated discussion. I don't need to put my vote on leetic for people to talk about him if he's already got 4 others.
B) hammer is 7. I don't want to put somebody close to that threshold with so much time left in the day.

[Sloonei]

Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.

[Epignosis]

All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.

This is the worst post I've read today.

[Epignosis]

Come on ts. Advocate for my lynch. Vote for me. Show everyone why I'm mafia.

[MacDougall]

The completionist in me now wants to solve Epi.

You miss me, don't you?

Yeah baby you know it

[ts account]

Come on ts. Advocate for my lynch. Vote for me. Show everyone why I'm mafia.

Well now I do not want to do that.

[Epignosis]

Come on ts. Advocate for my lynch. Vote for me. Show everyone why I'm mafia.

Well now I do not want to do that.

You're no fun.

I'll probably vote elsewhere now.

[Sloonei]

Come on ts. Advocate for my lynch. Vote for me. Show everyone why I'm mafia.

Well now I do not want to do that.

Why not?

[Epignosis]

TED TALK

[Epignosis]

I'm literally not wearing pants.

[Sloonei]

I'm literally not wearing pants.

Well of course, I assume you're indoors.

[MacDougall]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?

No. What's weird about it?

I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early

Why? Which one?

It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.

One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.

I was entertaining taking it off tbh. But then you went and did a scummy thing so I thought fuck it.

That said, I forgot we were using the hammer so I'll be careful.

[Epignosis]

I'm literally not wearing pants.

Well of course, I assume you're indoors.

Of course you fool. I spilled salad dressing over my shorts, and so now I'm trouserless.

[leetic]

Is there a reason I should vote for LC?

I don't believe so, his behavior reads more unmotivated than scummy

Why the fuck do you have four votes?

Beats me.

What's your issue with speedchuck?

He hasn't done much of note and what he has done (jokey posts, slight ts shade when the thread climate was against the former, going after LC (an easy target) is easy for scum to do.

That doesn't concern me. speedchuck has a new baby and new work from home shit. I'm not concerned.

Fair enough, but it's not really the activity level and more what he's doing with the limited activity that I find a bit suspicious.

[MacDougall]

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

[leetic]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?

No. What's weird about it?

I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early

Why? Which one?

It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.

One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.

I was entertaining taking it off tbh. But then you went and did a scummy thing so I thought fuck it.

That said, I forgot we were using the hammer so I'll be careful.

What does this even mean? What exactly are you committing to when you say "I'll be careful"?

[Dragomir]

Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.

Do it baby.

[MacDougall]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?

No. What's weird about it?

I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early

Why? Which one?

It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.

One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.

I was entertaining taking it off tbh. But then you went and did a scummy thing so I thought fuck it.

That said, I forgot we were using the hammer so I'll be careful.

What does this even mean? What exactly are you committing to when you say "I'll be careful"?

I will be careful to ensure that my vote is not contributing to a really stupid hammer lynch before it's reasonable to allow it to do so. Use your imagination and stop trying to gotcha me.

[MacDougall]

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.

Do it baby.

Holy shit you do this so much hahaha.

[Sloonei]

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

i'm unsure what to do with drago. at times he looks like he's doing an impression of me with all the questions, and we had an exchange earlier today where i was just trying to get straightforward answers out of him about a couple of things but every time he would tell me that he didn't do the things that he did. But at the same time I get the feeling that he is actively trying to read things. Maybe. I'm unclear on where he stood regarding me during that whole episode, for instance.

[MacDougall]

I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

[MacDougall]

Okay I think a good focal point is the Long Con experience. He is suspicious to me after ISO and then to see that Speedchuck and Dragomir, two null randos are voting for him... yes let's look there some more. Gonna have a geez at the fast one.

[MacDougall]

Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

I'm gonna move my vote from you to Speedchuck right now.

[MacDougall]

I don't see ts as civ anymore.

What changed?

I see nothing but bullshit coming from his side during our interaction. He is wolf. What do you think about LC?

His third post and initial vote for Sloonei are pretty bad. I agree with that.

Not much else to look at.

There is a wolf or wolves in this conversation. I think wolf based on the fact that they are voting together. Not entirely sure that wolf teammates would be voting together right now... otherwise this has all the characteristics of wolves chattering to one another. Speedchuck followed this up with a naked LC vote. I can't tell which of them I am more suspect of out of this, but on the full scale Speedchuck is scummier hence the vote.

[Sloonei]

leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"

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Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?

No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.

I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!

I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.

Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

@ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?

I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.

I'll stop there.

Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.

[MacDougall]

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.