Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis

[Sloonei]

speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl

How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?

It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis

I like that.

[ts account]

You said to ignore evidence, so I get to do this.

I did say that! So your take is acknowledged. One question:

How would you say Sloonei's play in this game differs from what you've seen from me in half a day phase?

Just my gut? Sloonei is covered in slime, and is whispering to me from the gutter. You are shouting in my face.

[Sloonei]

If I am a civilian, what happens? People blame me or themselves?

Ball game.

[Epignosis]

Carry on. Do what you must. You will lose. I will win.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con's L-1 hammer vote is a hard-to-reach blackie between two molars. I'm struggling to get it out of my head.

[Funnygurl555]

work was hell

sup

[Sloonei]

You said to ignore evidence, so I get to do this.

I did say that! So your take is acknowledged. One question:

How would you say Sloonei's play in this game differs from what you've seen from me in half a day phase?

Just my gut? Sloonei is covered in slime, and is whispering to me from the gutter. You are shouting in my face.

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

[ts account]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

[Sloonei]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

[Funnygurl555]

Uhh what

Another way of saying that would be, funnygurl is apparently the only person who can correctly read me so far.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

[Sloonei]

[mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] the first Big Event in this game was a disagreement between myself and mikey. I can't read it without any personal bias. Would appreciate your thoughts, if you have the time. It begins on page 1 with leetic's vote for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

okay

[ts account]

Somebody (I believe it was ted) already did an analysis of that 1v1 and it was beautiful. I could not have explained myself better if I tried.

[nutella]

@nutella @JaggedJimmyJay the first Big Event in this game was a disagreement between myself and mikey. I can't read it without any personal bias. Would appreciate your thoughts, if you have the time. It begins on page 1 with leetic's vote for me.

I was sort of reading it while it was happening. At the time I came away from it with the impression that you were probably both town. I may have to read it again with a new perspective.

[ts account]

Uhh what

Another way of saying that would be, funnygurl is apparently the only person who can correctly read me so far.

:fist:

This just means I have to kill you before Sunfan when I roll wolf :D

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can consider downgrading the ts account/Epignosis interaction, because the former's null reads were an affront to nature.

[Sloonei]

i think sunfan and i were in the same preliminary game in the MU tournament a hundred years ago.

[ts account]

I can consider downgrading the ts account/Epignosis interaction, because the former's null reads were an affront to nature.

I disagree entirely.

[Sloonei]

i think sunfan and i were in the same preliminary game in the MU tournament a hundred years ago.

Assuming "The Sun Fan" from Flash Flash Revolution is the same person you guys are talking about.

[ts account]

Okay I was not happy with my null reads either, I made an effort to get rid of them as soon as I was comfortable doing so. I disagree with the idea of downgrading our interactions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can consider downgrading the ts account/Epignosis interaction, because the former's null reads were an affront to nature.

I disagree entirely.

I can imagine so.

It's a bad look. It's not the only look, but that look is a bad look.

[Funnygurl555]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

[nutella]

Skimmed the beginning of the sloonei/mikey dispute again. It started as an overblown misunderstanding over sloonei's "mechanical speculation" that was hardly even speculation to begin with. I can easily imagine a world where scum!mikey took advantage of this as an easy thing to jump on early. Idk. I find it largely inconclusive, but I haven't examined the rest of it in detail because the back and forth posts just get longer and longer

[Funnygurl555]

i think sunfan and i were in the same preliminary game in the MU tournament a hundred years ago.

Assuming "The Sun Fan" from Flash Flash Revolution is the same person you guys are talking about.

AYYY SUNFAN

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]ts account[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

[Sloonei]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

The Gods tell us there must be one more bad guy.

[Epignosis]

Logged back in because I have y'all lynching my boy speedchuck. He's too important.

Vote off him.

Vote on tsaccount.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

All too relatable.

[Sloonei]

@ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so

[Epignosis]

*can't have y'all lynching

[Funnygurl555]

Uhh what

Another way of saying that would be, funnygurl is apparently the only person who can correctly read me so far.

This just means I have to kill you before Sunfan when I roll wolf

haha remember when sunfan got all paranoid and asked me to nk him if i were a wolf and i did it and left you in f4 but you caught me and ruined my win

[Epignosis]

Uhh what

Another way of saying that would be, funnygurl is apparently the only person who can correctly read me so far.

This just means I have to kill you before Sunfan when I roll wolf

haha remember when sunfan got all paranoid and asked me to nk him if i were a wolf and i did it and left you in f4 but you caught me and ruined my win

No I don't remember that at all.

[nutella]

@ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so

He was also in World Flags

[Funnygurl555]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

The Gods tell us there must be one more bad guy.

i think epi did too good of a job distancing here

[Sloonei]

My biggest shopping pet peeve in the Age of COVID, I realized today, is people stopping in the middle of the lane to do jack shit. Have a plan and keepi it moving, folks. The absolute last thing we need is congested aisles.

Stop posting so my off topic story can still be relevant.

[Epignosis]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

The Gods tell us there must be one more bad guy.

i think epi did too good of a job distancing here

Where? I need validation.

[ts account]

@ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I believe there may have been one more somewhere. But that one is it. It was too long ago to be particularly relevant, however. And sloonei had been silenced that game, which essentially confirmed them town.

It was a pretty funny game before the bane of my existence Ereshkigal brought up the potential of a Cult. It was such a stupid suggestion that I ignored it until everyone decided to believe speedchuck and I were cultists, even though the mechanics in play straight up made that impossible.

This is the game that I was referencing when I made my read on speedchuck, fwiw.

[Sloonei]

@ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so

He was also in World Flags

Lol that wasn’t a real game

[ts account]

haha remember when sunfan got all paranoid and asked me to nk him if i were a wolf and i did it and left you in f4 but you caught me and ruined my win

It is funny because I did not even see that post until after the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei and I are not identical players. There are differences, both subtle and unsubtle. The running gags about our similarity are good fun, but they disguise the space between our styles.

And yet, sometimes he makes a post that I typed myself.

Spoiler: show

I'll respond in more detail so we can move this forward.

It isn't like you are voting me for another reason.

... another reason than what? I don't understand what this sentence refers to.

My point isn't even that mechanical discussion is scummy (it is) or that your post made you scum.

Thank you for telling me what your point isn't. Could you tell me what your point is? I wasn't aware you had a point here.

So, either you didn't take the time to understand my point before omgusing

What point?

or you are feeling pressure and you are trying to take down the most vocal player as soon as possible.

You are not the most vocal player, I am. Look at me go. And you also are not the first person to turn a critical eye on me. That was leetic. He is a town read. I claim responsibility for the escalation of our exchange. Your opposition to me is more vocal than others because I have engaged with you to make it so. I reject this suggestion at face value.

Which is it?

N/A.

I feel like you are used to being able to throw your weight around to shut down anyone looking your way.

This is where I say that you are misunderstanding me. I am an aggressive player, town or scum. I will engage directly with people on topics that I find pertinent. I do not even care that I happened to be the subject of your initial suspicion. I am interested in the suspicion itself, the mindset and motivation behind it, and, much more importantly than that, the events which have transpired since then.

Having said all that, I have no intention of dragging the two of us into a feedback loop of hostility. I fully acknowledge that we are two civilians butting heads out of the gate. I am challenging you the way that I am because multiple points in your posts have come across as questionable to me. I wish to pursue those questions for answers. I am not incapable of listening to your answers. All of the question I am asking are genuine.

[Funnygurl555]

Uhh what

Another way of saying that would be, funnygurl is apparently the only person who can correctly read me so far.

This just means I have to kill you before Sunfan when I roll wolf

haha remember when sunfan got all paranoid and asked me to nk him if i were a wolf and i did it and left you in f4 but you caught me and ruined my win

No I don't remember that at all.

you could remember things like this if you played a game on ffr 8)

[Funnygurl555]

work was hell

sup

sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things

i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

The Gods tell us there must be one more bad guy.

i think epi did too good of a job distancing here

Where? I need validation.

you've struck a pretty good balance between posting frequently and not getting too involved in the thread

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and I are not identical players. There are differences, both subtle and unsubtle. The running gags about our similarity are good fun, but they disguise the space between our styles.

And yet, sometimes he makes a post that I typed myself.

Spoiler: show

I'll respond in more detail so we can move this forward.

It isn't like you are voting me for another reason.

... another reason than what? I don't understand what this sentence refers to.

My point isn't even that mechanical discussion is scummy (it is) or that your post made you scum.

Thank you for telling me what your point isn't. Could you tell me what your point is? I wasn't aware you had a point here.

So, either you didn't take the time to understand my point before omgusing

What point?

or you are feeling pressure and you are trying to take down the most vocal player as soon as possible.

You are not the most vocal player, I am. Look at me go. And you also are not the first person to turn a critical eye on me. That was leetic. He is a town read. I claim responsibility for the escalation of our exchange. Your opposition to me is more vocal than others because I have engaged with you to make it so. I reject this suggestion at face value.

Which is it?

N/A.

I feel like you are used to being able to throw your weight around to shut down anyone looking your way.

This is where I say that you are misunderstanding me. I am an aggressive player, town or scum. I will engage directly with people on topics that I find pertinent. I do not even care that I happened to be the subject of your initial suspicion. I am interested in the suspicion itself, the mindset and motivation behind it, and, much more importantly than that, the events which have transpired since then.

Having said all that, I have no intention of dragging the two of us into a feedback loop of hostility. I fully acknowledge that we are two civilians butting heads out of the gate. I am challenging you the way that I am because multiple points in your posts have come across as questionable to me. I wish to pursue those questions for answers. I am not incapable of listening to your answers. All of the question I am asking are genuine.

I merely listened to the universe, and God spoke through me.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei and I are not identical players. There are differences, both subtle and unsubtle. The running gags about our similarity are good fun, but they disguise the space between our styles.

And yet, sometimes he makes a post that I typed myself.

Spoiler: show

I'll respond in more detail so we can move this forward.

It isn't like you are voting me for another reason.

... another reason than what? I don't understand what this sentence refers to.

My point isn't even that mechanical discussion is scummy (it is) or that your post made you scum.

Thank you for telling me what your point isn't. Could you tell me what your point is? I wasn't aware you had a point here.

So, either you didn't take the time to understand my point before omgusing

What point?

or you are feeling pressure and you are trying to take down the most vocal player as soon as possible.

You are not the most vocal player, I am. Look at me go. And you also are not the first person to turn a critical eye on me. That was leetic. He is a town read. I claim responsibility for the escalation of our exchange. Your opposition to me is more vocal than others because I have engaged with you to make it so. I reject this suggestion at face value.

Which is it?

N/A.

I feel like you are used to being able to throw your weight around to shut down anyone looking your way.

This is where I say that you are misunderstanding me. I am an aggressive player, town or scum. I will engage directly with people on topics that I find pertinent. I do not even care that I happened to be the subject of your initial suspicion. I am interested in the suspicion itself, the mindset and motivation behind it, and, much more importantly than that, the events which have transpired since then.

Having said all that, I have no intention of dragging the two of us into a feedback loop of hostility. I fully acknowledge that we are two civilians butting heads out of the gate. I am challenging you the way that I am because multiple points in your posts have come across as questionable to me. I wish to pursue those questions for answers. I am not incapable of listening to your answers. All of the question I am asking are genuine.

I merely listened to the universe, and God spoke through me.

Right, I was like, "Sloonei" and you should have seen him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have been reviewing the early Day 1 combat between Sloonei and ts account. There is a definite bias I face that I must acknowledge before proceeding:

~ Given that this fight literally took the shape of "who's boss?" (who's the most vocal player), from this moment ts account is immediately disadvantaged as I attempt to contrast the two players and the points they make. I am much better versed in what a civilian Sloonei looks like than a civilian Mikey. Sloonei's civilian game is probably the single "meta" I know best in all of Mafia.

So with that said, my perception that Sloonei looks like a civilian in that debate does not necessarily reflect poorly on Mikey. This is why I asked about their experience playing together. Even some players who've played for years with Sloonei still seem to have a terrible grasp of how he goes about the hunt. So someone who is new to Sloonei may understandably see bad motivations in his behaviors -- that seems to be the trend anyway.

I don't think Mikey looks terrible in that exchange. I don't know that he looks good either. I appreciate the assertiveness of his tone. I don't think the points he made were sound. So there's an interplay there and something's gotta give.

[nutella]

I don't think Mikey looks terrible in that exchange. I don't know that he looks good either. I appreciate the assertiveness of his tone. I don't think the points he made were sound. So there's an interplay there and something's gotta give.

I agree with this. Well put.

[ts account]

I think I looked amazing.