Corrupt!? Mafia (ENDGAME)

[Dragomir]

Somebody tell me who to suspect.

[Hyena]

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

I... don't know?

I don't think I am? At least, in my mind I'm not? I don't really know how to explain it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

I... don't know?

I don't think I am? At least, in my mind I'm not? I don't really know how to explain it.

Seems like something you should know!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Or at least be able to figure out lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

[Hyena]

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

I... don't know?

I don't think I am? At least, in my mind I'm not? I don't really know how to explain it.

Seems like something you should know!

Dude, I dunno.

[Hyena]

Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.

I’m saying if your read had been based off these reasons:

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

Do you see why I’d be concerned about it?

[Hyena]

Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.

I’m saying if your read had been based off these reasons:

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

Do you see why I’d be concerned about it?

Because you think my read on you would be inaccurate because I'm reading you based on something I shouldn't be reading you on?

[Hyena]

Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.

I’m saying if your read had been based off these reasons:

I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

Do you see why I’d be concerned about it?

Because you think my read on you would be inaccurate because I'm reading you based on something I shouldn't be reading you on?

I'll have you know it worked last time. :P

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh

[Hyena]

Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh

You weren't verbose last time though? And I definitely wouldn't call you cooperative last game, since you wouldn't go along with my plan to confirm Jack and Tony when there were seven of us left. :P

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh

You weren't verbose last time though? And I definitely wouldn't call you cooperative last game, since you wouldn't go along with my plan to confirm Jack and Tony when there were seven of us left. :P

Cooperative in the sense that I was willing to expound on things I’m not normally willing to, not in the sense that I went along with plays that would likely lose me the game

I’d say I was fairly verbose last time compared to my norm? I don’t typically put up as many game related posts in a game that size when I’m town (there are exceptions, but none that you’ve been in lol).

[Hyena]

Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh

You weren't verbose last time though? And I definitely wouldn't call you cooperative last game, since you wouldn't go along with my plan to confirm Jack and Tony when there were seven of us left. :P

Cooperative in the sense that I was willing to expound on things I’m not normally willing to, not in the sense that I went along with plays that would likely lose me the game

I’d say I was fairly verbose last time compared to my norm? I don’t typically put up as many game related posts in a game that size when I’m town (there are exceptions, but none that you’ve been in lol).

I didn't notice that? I don't usually pay attention to what you are willing and not willing to do since I always remember you having those kinds of quirks in your playstyle. I just mostly remember you not being cooperative to a game plan that would have won town the game. :P And just getting this vibe that you weren't town.

Also, in Inception mafia, I was also correct in seeing that you were town. :P I was getting a towny vibe from you that game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is an irrelevant conversation at this point tbh I’m satisfied

[Hyena]

This is an irrelevant conversation at this point tbh I’m satisfied

In that case, Imma gonna go play some games now. :P

[Sloonei]

Somebody tell me who to suspect.

dragomir

[DrWilgy]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention], what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

[DrWilgy]

Also, anyone else feel free to chime in on that ask.

[Sloonei]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

sounds like you've got a case of stranger danger.

that said, hyena would be on my short list too. i was reviewing the eod events from yesterday. i have an observation to make. Everyone get ready. A thing is about to be observed in this thread.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hyena is a bowl of jello, Jack is a pineapple tart, Johann is a slightly disappointing curry, Mac is, of course, an entire chicken in a can, as his signature says.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh I missed drago. He’s bertie bott’s mystery flavor.

[DrWilgy]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

sounds like you've got a case of stranger danger.

that said, hyena would be on my short list too. i was reviewing the eod events from yesterday. i have an observation to make. Everyone get ready. A thing is about to be observed in this thread.

I'm not a stranger to Hyena. After getting Covid with them, I do believe we share similar methods and processes when it comes to lines of thought.

Johann... maybe lol

*Patiently waits for observations*

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

Oh, fuck that, lol

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

I vote for Macdougall to get the gun. Hyena reacts strongly to that by jumping straight off the macwagon. Why? I do not know. I feel like several people just decided to distrust me the moment I showed up in the thread. It was goofy. Hynea was among them.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.

Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.

I observe Hyena's disposition toward me. They reply by saying they would not shoot me. Apparently something changed when I started posting. I don't know what the reference for any of this is.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.

Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.

you jumped off a wagon because i was on it like 20 minutes ago

Yeah, that scared me, because I wasn't expecting it! I wasn't really scumreading you that much before that, though!

I observe that this new statement is contrary to Hyena's impulsive response to my vote moments ago. They say some stuff about me that I continue to not follow. My vote scared Hyena off of Mac. I was at one point a suspect, but not when I cast the Scary Vote, which was scary because it was unexpected, but I wasn't a suspect, but I was scary. I had no indication other than Hyena's harsh reaction to my vote that suggested I was ever a suspect. Apparently I was not a suspect at that time, but I had been earlier.
This does not compute. I don't know what the accusation is here. There might not be one. It was just a jarring thing that stood out to me.

[Sloonei]

I also have genuine concerns about Mac's progression on nutella:

Spoiler: show

It is quite silly that anyone can look at nutella and not see an obvious civilian.

Nutella is too good of a player for this read and you know it.

Nutella should still be the one we give the gun to, fwiw.

Nutella is incapable of projecting town strong enough day one for me to clear her. Shes too capable of her town range when wolf.

In time that changes. She makes herself obvious with results. Like you.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

He made all three of these posts to justify not letting her have the gun. She's too good of a player to have a read on this early, he insists. We can't trust her with the gun when it's entirely possible that he scum game is just a perfect reflection of her town game at this stage!

And that he decides to shoot that very same player on Night 1.

[Sloonei]

It was too early to town read her, but not too early to kill her on suspicion of being mafia?

[Duskfall]

Sloonei is making some good posts

[Duskfall]

I have verified what he's saying cause effort but I'm believing his thought process

[Duskfall]

Haven't*

[Johann]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

[Johann]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

[Johann]

Hyena is just smoke but no fire

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is making some good posts

That’s my meta.

[Sloonei]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

[Duskfall]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

[Johann]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

[Johann]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

From my point of view you were poisoned for suspecting right. I doubt you were poisoned cause you are good - idk if you are good and how good you are compared to people here - i doubt you were poisoned to throw us off the track.

[Johann]

So IMO we should check people you suspected D1

[Sloonei]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

[Sloonei]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

From my point of view you were poisoned for suspecting right. I doubt you were poisoned cause you are good - idk if you are good and how good you are compared to people here - i doubt you were poisoned to throw us off the track.

This reads like a mafia player who is responsible for poisoning duskfall trying to misdirect attention.

[Duskfall]

I think I was mostly poisoned for being consensus town

But I think towny people are like Nanook/funny/jack/g man/slonnei

If I had gun tonight id shoot boo or dragomir

People that I'm not sure on yet Mac, Id refer to Nanook and sloonei for this one but I agree with what they said. Nanook mentioned his demand of the gun then lack of responsibility for it. Sloonei mentioned something that I forget but I agreed with it it was good wtf was it again lol? Sloonei cover for me

Hyena is kinda bad but I think shoot later not yet

Johann was good early but faded away so needs re evaluating probably tomorrow but not a shot for today

[Duskfall]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

From my point of view you were poisoned for suspecting right. I doubt you were poisoned cause you are good - idk if you are good and how good you are compared to people here - i doubt you were poisoned to throw us off the track.

This reads like a mafia player who is responsible for poisoning duskfall trying to misdirect attention.

Yeah that vibe slightly pinged me but I didn't want to over read into it

[Duskfall]

I think dragomir is bad but also I think dragomir is the type of person to get mislynched every game and using me as an excuse to kill him is possible, but also I don't see a world where we can let dragomir love so it's like

Hard?

[Johann]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

[Johann]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

From my point of view you were poisoned for suspecting right. I doubt you were poisoned cause you are good - idk if you are good and how good you are compared to people here - i doubt you were poisoned to throw us off the track.

This reads like a mafia player who is responsible for poisoning duskfall trying to misdirect attention.

Attention from what?

[Duskfall]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

Eh I did play a game with drago 2 weeks ago and thread mislynched him for not giving enough opinions and being overly blunt as a whole so bluntness is definitely in his town range

[Johann]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

Eh I did play a game with drago 2 weeks ago and thread mislynched him for not giving enough opinions and being overly blunt as a whole so bluntness is definitely in his town range

In some situations yes. But in majority no. He isnt someone that likes to sheep, he likes to lead. He likes to lock people as town/scum but never bluntly come into the thread and say - Shoot X Y Z.

Maybe he is just lazy. Maybe other 100 things. Idk but this isnt usualpy him

[Sloonei]

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Are same people you suspected today the people you suspected yesterday?

Not much interesting has happened today imo

From my point of view you were poisoned for suspecting right. I doubt you were poisoned cause you are good - idk if you are good and how good you are compared to people here - i doubt you were poisoned to throw us off the track.

This reads like a mafia player who is responsible for poisoning duskfall trying to misdirect attention.

Attention from what?

from anything. If you are bad and poisoned Duskfall, you can propose any motive for it to prompt a discussion in that direction. Maybe Duskfall was poisoned in part so that you could push the angle that he was poisoned for being on point with his suspects.

What makes you believe that Duskfall's suspicions are the reason he was poisoned? Why not just that he's a widely trusted player?

[Sloonei]

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

This is not dissimilar to my own suspicion of Drago. I felt like his outright denial of me when I showed up yesterday was inorganic. I've worked with town drago in the past and had some good cooperation. I don't feel like there was any effort on his part to develop a read on me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hi guys it's your friendly neighborhood insomniac, ama