Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:12 pm
@Ephemeral
Your interactions with Nanook incline me towards shooting him in the face at next stop...please advise.
Actually, I was already inclined, but now I feel like I have a good reason with your observations on his TSP read.
I'm not sure I get where you're coming from with this
If you were already inclined to shoot him before I gave my thoughts on how he handled TSP's slot then why are you implying you didn't have a good reason to go through with it beforehand?
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:24 pm
The use of anime gifs will result in the offender being reported to the thought police and possibly experiencing the loving care of the Ministry of Love
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:24 pm
The use of anime gifs will result in the offender being reported to the thought police and possibly experiencing the loving care of the Ministry of Love
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:24 pm
The use of anime gifs will result in the offender being reported to the thought police and possibly experiencing the loving care of the Ministry of Love
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:12 pm
@Ephemeral
Your interactions with Nanook incline me towards shooting him in the face at next stop...please advise.
Actually, I was already inclined, but now I feel like I have a good reason with your observations on his TSP read.
I'm not sure I get where you're coming from with this
If you were already inclined to shoot him before I gave my thoughts on how he handled TSP's slot then why are you implying you didn't have a good reason to go through with it beforehand?
Am I misreading something here or
I wanted to shoot him before, but that was more a personality clash probably. Now I have a reason to shoot him because I think what you pointed out was wolfy as hell and that his response to having it pointed out was even more wolfy as hell.
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:12 pm
@Ephemeral
Your interactions with Nanook incline me towards shooting him in the face at next stop...please advise.
Actually, I was already inclined, but now I feel like I have a good reason with your observations on his TSP read.
I'm not sure I get where you're coming from with this
If you were already inclined to shoot him before I gave my thoughts on how he handled TSP's slot then why are you implying you didn't have a good reason to go through with it beforehand?
Am I misreading something here or
I wanted to shoot him before, but that was more a personality clash probably. Now I have a reason to shoot him because I think what you pointed out was wolfy as hell and that his response to having it pointed out was even more wolfy as hell.
That makes a lot more sense, thanks for explaining.
Ephemeral wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:30 pm
Now what I'm more interested in is who called TSP "obv town", when and why
could easily have a wolf who reacted that way just to rail on jpic who shot him (if it was done post-flip and with little to no precedent of strongly townreading tsp of course)
Nanook and after the kill.
Not sure what Nanook's read of TSP was before the kill tbh
Well there you go, easy as pie
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what was your read on tsp pre-flip? show me all of the relevant posts such as interactions with him and/or descriptive reads on him before he was shot by jpic that convincingly show you formed such a strong TR on him organically
chop chop
No
Specifically this right here, for those playing along at home.
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Hey who feels like they have good tim meta
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Hey who feels like they have good tim meta
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
So here we are
This is a lot different game and I'm a very adaptable guy. FWIW probably the best Tim reader in captivity is HollowKatt. He's played as many games with me as anyone and is one of very very few people who legit read me as wolf in my champs qualifier. If you ISO him you will find a pretty solid town read in my favor.
Ephemeral wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:30 pm
Now what I'm more interested in is who called TSP "obv town", when and why
could easily have a wolf who reacted that way just to rail on jpic who shot him (if it was done post-flip and with little to no precedent of strongly townreading tsp of course)
Nanook and after the kill.
Not sure what Nanook's read of TSP was before the kill tbh
Well there you go, easy as pie
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what was your read on tsp pre-flip? show me all of the relevant posts such as interactions with him and/or descriptive reads on him before he was shot by jpic that convincingly show you formed such a strong TR on him organically
chop chop
No
Specifically this right here, for those playing along at home.
I've never played a mash, I don't really know how these ITA things work (I have a *vague* understanding that you shoot people and it may or may not work). I'm assuming your read of Nanook is in the context of TSP dying. Can you explain why his response is scummy? Why would Nanook-wolf say No instead of just ignoring the question?
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
So like even though I don't really know what to feel on tim. I generally? like this post/line of reasoning/the whole think Ephemeral and Tim have worked on re:Nanook
But I can't really get out of my head it's like the level 2 easy push to make. Where pushing against JPIC is like the simple wolfy push. But pushing against those pushing JPIC is almost as simple.
So I don't disagree Nanook looks bad. But I'm worried about the push kinda
I guess the takeaway is Tim is still a bundle of null send help
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Hey who feels like they have good tim meta
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
idk my read on nook is that he's overstating the strengths of his reads, especially townreads, in order to attempt to bring some focus to the thread. i think calling this a blatant false push is a bit much.
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Hey who feels like they have good tim meta
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
So here we are
what was his alignment in those games you read?
Town Wolf Joat all Joat^2 on MU
seems like the difference might not be due to role but due to game size maybe then, as a guess? (i've read the same games of his)
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Here's the thing Marcher...you are right. I do look for town, not wolves, especially early. That IS how I prefer to play. I don't trust my wolf reads early. I have a hard time accepting wolf reads early.
BUT I HAVE THIS ITA AND I THINK I GOTTA SHOOT SOMEONE HERE.
That's the source of what is different. I HAVE TO HAVE a wolf read in the next fourish hours, like it or not.
Apogee wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Hey who feels like they have good tim meta
Cause I feel his vibe might be different than he is in games I've specced of his.
But I kind of doubt that my casual skims of games are really giving me anything solid
So here we are
what was his alignment in those games you read?
Town Wolf Joat all Joat^2 on MU
seems like the difference might not be due to role but due to game size maybe then, as a guess? (i've read the same games of his)
Plausible
Maybe I'm just worried cause I feel this is another one of those games where literally everyone is a better wolf than I am villager
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Here's the thing Marcher...you are right. I do look for town, not wolves, especially early. That IS how I prefer to play. I don't trust my wolf reads early. I have a hard time accepting wolf reads early.
BUT I HAVE THIS ITA AND I THINK I GOTTA SHOOT SOMEONE HERE.
That's the source of what is different. I HAVE TO HAVE a wolf read in the next fourish hours, like it or not.
So, yeah, I need some help here.
no you dont
ITA lists are a thing
consensus town gets together a list of suspects that they want shot
then everyone shoots at that list
you can just sheep people you trust
you have to in a game this big
I would like to say that I personally believe that some townies out there in the game are unable to see Tim as town, because some townies don't have maps, so its our job to raise education in some countries like mafialand and the mafia state and such, to build a better future for our children thank you.
This is a gut feeling, but I truly believe Tim is not wolf. If I'm wrong sorry, it's not my job to solve this game, I just distract mafia with my fresh to death looks.
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Here's the thing Marcher...you are right. I do look for town, not wolves, especially early. That IS how I prefer to play. I don't trust my wolf reads early. I have a hard time accepting wolf reads early.
BUT I HAVE THIS ITA AND I THINK I GOTTA SHOOT SOMEONE HERE.
That's the source of what is different. I HAVE TO HAVE a wolf read in the next fourish hours, like it or not.
So, yeah, I need some help here.
no you dont
ITA lists are a thing
consensus town gets together a list of suspects that they want shot
then everyone shoots at that list
you can just sheep people you trust
you have to in a game this big
Last time I did that mafia was controlling the list, but if you say so, I guess I can follow your advise for now.
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
idk my read on nook is that he's overstating the strengths of his reads, especially townreads, in order to attempt to bring some focus to the thread. i think calling this a blatant false push is a bit much.
At that point calling Tony "obv town" wasn't overstating a read...Tony was flipped. There's no overstating that.
He was overstating, he was RETROACTIVING. Until Tony flipped there is no indication Nanook read him as town AT ALL, EVER.
This isn't trying to bring focus, this is bald faced lying to get a very dubious wolf read elevated to "shoot instantly" status.
Yes, maybe this is just big ego wanting to call shots. Or maybe it is just Nanook doing the same openwolf play that he just won with in Philosophers.
ThisIsNotAceMarvel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:53 pm
I would like to say that I personally believe that some townies out there in the game are unable to see Tim as town, because some townies don't have maps, so its our job to raise education in some countries like mafialand and the mafia state and such, to build a better future for our children thank you.
This is a gut feeling, but I truly believe Tim is not wolf. If I'm wrong sorry, it's not my job to solve this game, I just distract mafia with my fresh to death looks.
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
idk my read on nook is that he's overstating the strengths of his reads, especially townreads, in order to attempt to bring some focus to the thread. i think calling this a blatant false push is a bit much.
At that point calling Tony "obv town" wasn't overstating a read...Tony was flipped. There's no overstating that.
He was overstating, he was RETROACTIVING. Until Tony flipped there is no indication Nanook read him as town AT ALL, EVER.
This isn't trying to bring focus, this is bald faced lying to get a very dubious wolf read elevated to "shoot instantly" status.
Yes, maybe this is just big ego wanting to call shots. Or maybe it is just Nanook doing the same openwolf play that he just won with in Philosophers.
sounds like you've found your ITA target. who's town?
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Here's the thing Marcher...you are right. I do look for town, not wolves, especially early. That IS how I prefer to play. I don't trust my wolf reads early. I have a hard time accepting wolf reads early.
BUT I HAVE THIS ITA AND I THINK I GOTTA SHOOT SOMEONE HERE.
That's the source of what is different. I HAVE TO HAVE a wolf read in the next fourish hours, like it or not.
So, yeah, I need some help here.
no you dont
ITA lists are a thing
consensus town gets together a list of suspects that they want shot
then everyone shoots at that list
you can just sheep people you trust
you have to in a game this big
Great. Let me know who this consensus town might be please.
I have read every post and right now the ONLY read I've seen that was genuinely reasoned out is Ephemeral's read on Nanook, and if nothing else comes up I'll sheep that. If someone wants to point out people I can trust and they want to tell me different, great. Four hours or so seems like...plenty of time?
ThisIsNotAceMarvel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:53 pm
I would like to say that I personally believe that some townies out there in the game are unable to see Tim as town, because some townies don't have maps, so its our job to raise education in some countries like mafialand and the mafia state and such, to build a better future for our children thank you.
This is a gut feeling, but I truly believe Tim is not wolf. If I'm wrong sorry, it's not my job to solve this game, I just distract mafia with my fresh to death looks.
mmm dont like this post.
well I don't like that you don't like it so... yeah, do what you need to do.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:57 am
It felt like you took a textbook tell and applied it wrongly (without reading in context), thus, making up reads.
it's like you take a cylinder puzzle piece and trying to fit it in a square one
Right, so why is having a wrong/bad read scummy? You've not really explained why this is making up reads.
you've mistaken my posts intention at an attempt to push me - I've basically elaborated on why you interpreted it the wrong way and you shrugged it off
It's hard for me to see how you, as a villager, would interpret my post the way you did.
I'd do it to reaction test you. :3 That's just me though. I like misinterpreting posts just to see how people respond to it.
Hyena is bad ;__;
No, I'm not. ;-; I hope you're not bad again this time.
ThisIsNotAceMarvel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:53 pm
I would like to say that I personally believe that some townies out there in the game are unable to see Tim as town, because some townies don't have maps, so its our job to raise education in some countries like mafialand and the mafia state and such, to build a better future for our children thank you.
This is a gut feeling, but I truly believe Tim is not wolf. If I'm wrong sorry, it's not my job to solve this game, I just distract mafia with my fresh to death looks.
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
oh no Tim's wolfing
He's doing the "hey fellow town, pls give me a reason to shoot/vote town and turn y'all against one another" thing
Hey buddy. Can you detail this one for me?
cuz like he asked about jpic
"hey can you pls give me a reason to consider shooting jpic"
and then he did the same thing again he re:nanook/eph
and it feels weird cuz it's looking for wolfreads where I'd expect town!Tim to be looking for townreads
There was also that weird OMGUSy demotivator response to ted I wasn't a fan of
last time I accused Tim in a t/t fight he was super motivator do-your-best if you think you can carry town wim it up about it
that game was Tim trying something a bit different so maybe it doesn't super equals this game
but it pinged me
Here's the thing Marcher...you are right. I do look for town, not wolves, especially early. That IS how I prefer to play. I don't trust my wolf reads early. I have a hard time accepting wolf reads early.
BUT I HAVE THIS ITA AND I THINK I GOTTA SHOOT SOMEONE HERE.
That's the source of what is different. I HAVE TO HAVE a wolf read in the next fourish hours, like it or not.
So, yeah, I need some help here.
no you dont
ITA lists are a thing
consensus town gets together a list of suspects that they want shot
then everyone shoots at that list
you can just sheep people you trust
you have to in a game this big
Great. Let me know who this consensus town might be please.
I have read every post and right now the ONLY read I've seen that was genuinely reasoned out is Ephemeral's read on Nanook, and if nothing else comes up I'll sheep that. If someone wants to point out people I can trust and they want to tell me different, great. Four hours or so seems like...plenty of time?
the point is you're supposed to try to build the towncore
ThisIsNotAceMarvel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:53 pm
I would like to say that I personally believe that some townies out there in the game are unable to see Tim as town, because some townies don't have maps, so its our job to raise education in some countries like mafialand and the mafia state and such, to build a better future for our children thank you.
This is a gut feeling, but I truly believe Tim is not wolf. If I'm wrong sorry, it's not my job to solve this game, I just distract mafia with my fresh to death looks.
mmm dont like this post.
I like it. :3
You are too kind! thank you. Your are invited to crash the next brunch with me.
See cayvie, being nice takes you places.
At this point the ONLY thing he had said about TSP was "bad Tony."
TSP had taken his shot at Hyena, who Nanook had stated was town.
The read on TSP as "obv town" is made up, whole cloth, on the spot, to convince people to shoot JPIC.
Why? I mean, I might have been inclined to shoot JPIC. I don't have a clear read on JPIC but he did shoot a townie so maybe? But this kind of blatant false push is a wolf all day long where I come from.
idk my read on nook is that he's overstating the strengths of his reads, especially townreads, in order to attempt to bring some focus to the thread. i think calling this a blatant false push is a bit much.
At that point calling Tony "obv town" wasn't overstating a read...Tony was flipped. There's no overstating that.
He was overstating, he was RETROACTIVING. Until Tony flipped there is no indication Nanook read him as town AT ALL, EVER.
This isn't trying to bring focus, this is bald faced lying to get a very dubious wolf read elevated to "shoot instantly" status.
Yes, maybe this is just big ego wanting to call shots. Or maybe it is just Nanook doing the same openwolf play that he just won with in Philosophers.
sounds like you've found your ITA target. who's town?
Despite calling him mythical I feel pretty good about Urist. I'm inclined to trust Rabbit. I actually feel pretty good about Rabbits generally, like all the day zero fun and frolic rabbit gif posting seemed very carefree townyish to me. So did you. Marcher is town I think, because being wrong about me and scared about me is not something I hold against him and he is genuinely trying to reason through it.
