The Simpsons [GAME OVER]

[tessepia]

Whoa. Harsh toke dude.

[tessepia]

Deets on the track [mention]Principal Skinner[/mention]

[My Shell]

Sad, but kinda predictable.

[tessepia]

Welp, two of my top 3 scum reads from D1 are dead VT and the other claimed tracker.

Can Mr. Bong help?

Let's find out

[Broken]

Not Ned.

[Broken]

[Paprika]

that's predictable

[My Shell]

Sad, but kinda predictable.

that's predictable

Mindmeld, or copywolf?

[Paprika]

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

[mention]Hugh Jass[/mention]: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you [mention]Milhouse Van Houten[/mention]. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

[Paprika]

Sad, but kinda predictable.

that's predictable

Mindmeld, or copywolf?

an old person is an old person is an old person

[tessepia]

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Derp clear denied.

And your whole post is pretty gross there gramps.

[My Shell]

That was either just plain awful or a perfect roleplay of Grampa Simpson and I can't decide which I am thinking.

[Paprika]

Derp clear denied.

And your whole post is pretty gross there gramps.

That was either just plain awful or a perfect roleplay of Grampa Simpson and I can't decide which I am thinking.

what and why?

[Paprika]

oh shit milhouse is dead

[Paprika]

lol yeah that's fair, don't give me any derp cred for that

[My Shell]

Smithers!

Any sign of that worthless school principle?

Well, we will just have to proceed without him.

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

Lisa is unimpressive.

I still don't like the Homer/Marge/Bart recognition and meta mutual town society...seems like it would be easy to infiltrate for a wolf...probably not more than one though.

[Broken]

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Derp clear denied.

And your whole post is pretty gross there gramps.

I don't think so, Otto.

[tessepia]

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Derp clear denied.

And your whole post is pretty gross there gramps.

I don't think so, Otto.

You're giving gramps a derp clear for that?
And all the other stuff is meh?

[Hugh Jass]

That was a garbage elimination.

[My Shell]

That was a garbage elimination.

Yeah, thanks for your massive contribution.

Smithers, release the hounds.

[tessepia]

That was a garbage elimination.

10 mins since you posted that, and crickets.
Is that really all you've got on the game so far? I'd like to read what you have to say

[Julinook]

I'm honestly not sure what to do with this gamestate.

There's a lot of people who are gigantic question marks to me, mostly because they've dropped off severely in posting, and I only have one firm scumread.

[tessepia]

[VOTE: HUGH JASS]

[tessepia]

I'm honestly not sure what to do with this gamestate.

There's a lot of people who are gigantic question marks to me, mostly because they've dropped off severely in posting, and I only have one firm scumread.

And that's?

[Julinook]

I'm honestly not sure what to do with this gamestate.

There's a lot of people who are gigantic question marks to me, mostly because they've dropped off severely in posting, and I only have one firm scumread.

And that's?

Grampa, for reasons explained earlier.

[Hugh Jass]

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

[Julinook]

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Marge is town. I think Burns is town. Grampa's recent posts have made me doubt my scumread on him a bit. I feel like the thread is descending into an orgy of people nitpicking stuff about each other's posts and/or getting super defensive and lashing out when their own posts gets nitpicked. I think there's a decent number of people active lurking, eating popcorn, and watching the town tear each other into shreds.

I am currently more in favor of putting pressure on inactive people to contribute. I do not agree with Burns that Milhouse coming in to post some random read salad without any explanations or serious pushes is a townie entrance. I'm am concerned that Skinner and Hugh are still AWOL. I am also concerned that Ned Flanders has had three posts the entire day, scumread Burns early on, and then dropped a vote on him without any announcement, after Marge pushed Burns. (If you check the poll you will see that Flanders voted Burns after Marge and Homer voted, even though his suspicion on Burns purportedly came long before.) I do not know what Flanders' progression on the game is or why he is drive by voting Burns at a very convenient timing without saying anything.

So those four are my POE. I trust Otto, Marge, Burns, Grumple and Krusty. I am willing to accept Marge + Homer's testimony that they know who Bart is and that his behavior this game strongly indicates that he is town. I started off with an early Lisa townread, but she has since fallen off. So my 5 townreads + tentatively Bart is my townpool for today. Everyone else who isn't directly in the POE or in my townpool is somewhere in the middle.

From here:

Milhouse has flipped town. Ned has flipped town. Skinner has claimed tracker. Hugh has improved a lot towards EOD1. He had a burst of energy that I think is townie. Before he came in the game was moving pretty soundly towards a D1 town lurker exe. If Hugh is scum planning to take it easy and coast throughout the game then it makes no sense for him to suddenly turn into a power wolf 5 seconds before town exes LHF. He seemed unhappy with the gamestate then and he seems unhappy with the gamestate now.

Before he died Flanders was pretty unhappy with the thread consensus of pressuring/voting lurkers. The flips and claims have proven that to be correct. I am looking for scum in the people who were trying to shade or discredit lurkers without taking responsibility for the exe yesterday.

[Hugh Jass]

and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

Expand.

[Hugh Jass]

That was a garbage elimination.

10 mins since you posted that, and crickets.
Is that really all you've got on the game so far? I'd like to read what you have to say

That's 10min I used to continue reading and responding to Gramps.

[Hugh Jass]

Also playing on phone sucks

[tessepia]

That was a garbage elimination.

10 mins since you posted that, and crickets.
Is that really all you've got on the game so far? I'd like to read what you have to say

That's 10min I used to continue reading and responding to Gramps.

Got that.
Quality post on Gramps. Look forward to you catching up.

[UNVOTE]

[My Shell]

and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

Expand.

Unlike Allison I think your "burst of activity" looked terrible. As in "okay, got a free day, now lemme not get subbed out." Your vote looked random at best, opportunistic at worst. And your whining about the game state is just irritating as hell.

NOBODY was ecstatic about chopping a low poster...but nobody had a solid wolf read to put up instead either, least of all you. Most of us had to deal with that, and you come waltzing in at the end having done FUCK ALL and smugly spout about how we should have chopped better? NO SHIT we should have chopped better, and if a bunch of people hadn't lamed off the day JUST LIKE YOU DID maybe we would have.

Now you had your "big EoD outburst" and a 24 hour night phase went by and you are back...and getting ready to start catching up. I get it, some people sign up and life catches them, and some people just wanna put nothing into the game...but coming in here with this "I was here for twenty minutes and y'all bad chopped" is flatly infuriating.

[Julinook]

CBG can you talk me through your vote on Bart yesterday?

[Julinook]

[mention]Comic Book Guy[/mention]

You had to know that Bart was not gonna get exed yesterday. It was basically not voting. But you vote Bart over Milhouse despite saying Milhouse is suspicious, in a situation where the wagons were close enough that Milhouse could have not gotten exed? What happened to your scumread on Burns?

[Hugh Jass]

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

[My Shell]

Allison, can you explain to me what you are thinking is so great about 20 minute Hugh?

The ONLY thing I can say for him is that if he is a slank wolf he has to be among the most brazen ever, but I've been burned before by "no wolf could slank this hard, their team would kick their ass" before and I am really opposed to going out like that again.

[My Shell]

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

At least I have made reads twenty minute man.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine

[Paprika]

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

[Julinook]

Allison, can you explain to me what you are thinking is so great about 20 minute Hugh?

The ONLY thing I can say for him is that if he is a slank wolf he has to be among the most brazen ever, but I've been burned before by "no wolf could slank this hard, their team would kick their ass" before and I am really opposed to going out like that again.

So what, Hugh Jass decided he was going to slank his way to victory as a wolf, peeked into the thread and saw 0 votes on him and a consensus on exeing some random lurking townie, and decided "now is the time I'm going to burst into the thread with a strong scumread and start pushing it"? I don't buy that story. He seemed pissed off and unhappy with the town consensus and tried hard to push an alternative exe (Gramps). He opens the next day saying it was a terrible elimination. He doesn't feel like someone complacent or content with the D1 gamestate to me.

[Julinook]

You guys need to re-evaluate the way we are looking at the game. We spent D1 trying to exe slankers because we thought the mafia was coasting. We now have two green flips and one tracker claim with no counterclaim among their number. Flanders died telling us that it didn't make sense to exe slankers and that we should be looking out for the vultures preying on them. I don't buy your case on Hugh and your stubbornness in trying to push him rather than figure out anything else about the game is starting to make me doubt my townread of you.

[Hugh Jass]

and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

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Unlike Allison I think your "burst of activity" looked terrible. As in "okay, got a free day, now lemme not get subbed out." Your vote looked random at best, opportunistic at worst. And your whining about the game state is just irritating as hell.

NOBODY was ecstatic about chopping a low poster...but nobody had a solid wolf read to put up instead either, least of all you. Most of us had to deal with that, and you come waltzing in at the end having done FUCK ALL and smugly spout about how we should have chopped better? NO SHIT we should have chopped better, and if a bunch of people hadn't lamed off the day JUST LIKE YOU DID maybe we would have.

Now you had your "big EoD outburst" and a 24 hour night phase went by and you are back...and getting ready to start catching up. I get it, some people sign up and life catches them, and some people just wanna put nothing into the game...but coming in here with this "I was here for twenty minutes and y'all bad chopped" is flatly infuriating.

I'm not sure why I'm being compared to Allison, she's been around much earlier than me and has been active throughout a good period of the phase from what I see. I guess we have in common our suspicion of Gramps, is that why you're comparing me to her.

If I didn't want to get subbed out, I could have just asked the host not to, and that I would be present the next phase.

It was neither random, nor opportunistic. I'd like you to expand on the latter, also comment on my other post about Gramps that I'e made having had more than 20min in the thread.

I'm not whining, I'm sharing my thoughts. That being irritating to you is subjective. Is that scummy?

You had 48 hours to come up with solid wolf read, and get them eliminated rather than settling on someone with 2 posts. I didn't do anything because I was absent due to personal reasons that do not concern you. There is nothing smug about calling the elimination that happened garbage.

Relax, buddy.

[Hugh Jass]

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

At least I have made reads twenty minute man.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

[My Shell]

Allison, can you explain to me what you are thinking is so great about 20 minute Hugh?

The ONLY thing I can say for him is that if he is a slank wolf he has to be among the most brazen ever, but I've been burned before by "no wolf could slank this hard, their team would kick their ass" before and I am really opposed to going out like that again.

So what, Hugh Jass decided he was going to slank his way to victory as a wolf, peeked into the thread and saw 0 votes on him and a consensus on exeing some random lurking townie, and decided "now is the time I'm going to burst into the thread with a strong scumread and start pushing it"? I don't buy that story. He seemed pissed off and unhappy with the town consensus and tried hard to push an alternative exe (Gramps). He opens the next day saying it was a terrible elimination. He doesn't feel like someone complacent or content with the D1 gamestate to me.

He doesn't seem like someone remotely interested in DOING anything about that game state other than whine. He shows up and throws a vote. Gives basically no reasons for the wagon to go over so we can assess the quality of that vote. Spends the night phase so upset by the bad chop that he apparently never looked at the thread. Comes back and renews his vote again without putting anything behind it.

How could he look any MORE complacent about the game state?

Your reasoning here is almost suspiciously bad.

[My Shell]

Unlike Allison I think your "burst of activity" looked terrible. As in "okay, got a free day, now lemme not get subbed out." Your vote looked random at best, opportunistic at worst. And your whining about the game state is just irritating as hell.

I'm not sure why I'm being compared to Allison, she's been around much earlier than me and has been active throughout a good period of the phase from what I see. I guess we have in common our suspicion of Gramps, is that why you're comparing me to her.

[/quote]

Do you just not even read? I wasn't comparing you to Allison, don't flatter yourself.

I was comparing HER TAKE on you to MY TAKE on you to try to figure out how we are seeing you so differently.

[Julinook]

He doesn't seem like someone remotely interested in DOING anything about that game state other than whine. He shows up and throws a vote. Gives basically no reasons for the wagon to go over so we can assess the quality of that vote. Spends the night phase so upset by the bad chop that he apparently never looked at the thread. Comes back and renews his vote again without putting anything behind it.

How could he look any MORE complacent about the game state?

Your reasoning here is almost suspiciously bad.

It has been 3 hours since the start of the day and he is already pushing who he thinks is scum. I have no idea what about that behavior makes you think he is being complacent. If we had exed Flanders you would be pushing Milhouse today with the exact same logic.

How has Flanders and Milhouse' flips and Skinner's claim not made you change the way you are looking at this game at all?

[My Shell]

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

[Hugh Jass]

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

[My Shell]

He doesn't seem like someone remotely interested in DOING anything about that game state other than whine. He shows up and throws a vote. Gives basically no reasons for the wagon to go over so we can assess the quality of that vote. Spends the night phase so upset by the bad chop that he apparently never looked at the thread. Comes back and renews his vote again without putting anything behind it.

How could he look any MORE complacent about the game state?

Your reasoning here is almost suspiciously bad.

It has been 3 hours since the start of the day and he is already pushing who he thinks is scum. I have no idea what about that behavior makes you think he is being complacent. If we had exed Flanders you would be pushing Milhouse today with the exact same logic.

How has Flanders and Milhouse' flips and Skinner's claim not made you change the way you are looking at this game at all?

Flanders flip didn't change anything because Mac basically made himself an Innocent Child...I'm not mad at him for it, it's just a mistake, but that's the way it went...so I'm not surprised he got NKed since no wolf team on earth was ever gonna chop him, and there is no info to be had from him flipping town since we all should have already known that.

Milhouse was a good day one chop...would have been a lot better if we got lucky and hit wolf, but if he played every day like he played day one we probably don't know any more about him at end game than we knew at EoD. I am actually taking something from that flip and changing my view though, because I think Hugh Jass making a big deal out of "I skimmed the thread and called the flip" is suss as hell.

Skinner's claim just is what it is...I pushed, he claimed, I found another place to vote. I dunno what else there is to make of it. When he comes in with some sort of results I'll certainly take them into account.

And no, if "we had exed Flanders" I wouldn't be gunning for Millhouse...I'd be trying to find out how anyone in their right mind could have exed Mac after he waterbombed town all over himself other than just being a wolf.

[Hugh Jass]

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

[Hugh Jass]

Now can I please go back to reading in peace? Thank you.