Shadow Corridors Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Thunal33]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

[Alison]

Why don't we just ask the source directly

@Made

Can you tell us why you thought a consolidation on tutuu would lead to a misexe? At the time you made that post, what made you sure tutuu was town?

[Alison]

Lock town: BoKnows, Falcon, Thunal
Town: Flanders, MacDougall, NIK, nutella
Scum: Poison, tutuu

Something something. I think I've explained all my reads except NIK (nothing special, just good tone) and MacDougall (I think he tries to powerwolf here if he is a wolf, not slank).

Patch notes: tutuu upgraded to Town category. Made inserted into Town category. Grand Scheme is like slightly below null.

[Sloonei]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

it could be that as well.

[Sloonei]

Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?

@Sloonei

This is the post I thought might have TMI, in that it presumes tutuu is going to flip green, but I could see it as more of a wagonomics kind of deal, which is why I still townread Made overall.

That post pinged me as well, for similar reasons.

In contrast to my tentative town read on Alison, I don't love this post from falcon. Alison was generating her own read from a place which may or may not have been valid. Falcon was just hopping through the door that Alison had opened.

[Made]

Why don't we just ask the source directly

@Made

Can you tell us why you thought a consolidation on tutuu would lead to a misexe? At the time you made that post, what made you sure tutuu was town?

I have no reason to think Tutuu is town, but simple wagonomics (which is my new favorite term btw) makes her THE D1/D2 mark.

• High post volume

• Making large number of accusations

• Zany Meta

• Visibly frustrated/Defensive

• Almost unanimously viewed as sus

She has all the marks of a someone who'd get last minute bandwagon in a way that would result in town learning nothing from who voted who, even if she is bad. Obviously, voting out a baddie is good even if we don't learn anything from it, but I don't get why we'd willingly set ourselves up for a situation where a large number of players(including her hypothetical teammates) vote Tutuu. Close lynches give us much more valuable voting records.

Taking a step back, that list is also a good list of reasons why she could be bad, but having been lynched for similar reasons as a civvie in the past, I'm sympathetic to the optics and think there's a lot to gain from proactively looking elsewhere.

[Sloonei]

Why don't we just ask the source directly

@Made

Can you tell us why you thought a consolidation on tutuu would lead to a misexe? At the time you made that post, what made you sure tutuu was town?

I have no reason to think Tutuu is town, but simple wagonomics (which is my new favorite term btw) makes her THE D1/D2 mark.

• High post volume

• Making large number of accusations

• Zany Meta

• Visibly frustrated/Defensive

• Almost unanimously viewed as sus

She has all the marks of a someone who'd get last minute bandwagon in a way that would result in town learning nothing from who voted who, even if she is bad. Obviously, voting out a baddie is good even if we don't learn anything from it, but I don't get why we'd willingly set ourselves up for a situation where a large number of players(including her hypothetical teammates) vote Tutuu. Close lynches give us much more valuable voting records.

Taking a step back, that list is also a good list of reasons why she could be bad, but having been lynched for similar reasons as a civvie in the past, I'm sympathetic to the optics and think there's a lot to gain from proactively looking elsewhere.

Gun to your head, what is tutuu’s alignment?
What about Alison?

[Made]

To be explicit Looking Elsewhere≠"Trusting"/"Reading as town"

[Made]

Gun to head, Tutuu is bad and Alison is town, but like I don't think it's best practice to give too much weight to that w/o context b/c the ~~w a g o n o m i c s~~, especially on D0.

[Made]

Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?

@Sloonei

This is the post I thought might have TMI, in that it presumes tutuu is going to flip green, but I could see it as more of a wagonomics kind of deal, which is why I still townread Made overall.

That post pinged me as well, for similar reasons.

In contrast to my tentative town read on Alison, I don't love this post from falcon. Alison was generating her own read from a place which may or may not have been valid. Falcon was just hopping through the door that Alison had opened.

Giving this a bye personally b/c of earned good faith. Alison is making good takes, and so has falcon. It's not that weird they're agreeing. Something something mindmeld

[Alison]

I don't really agree with your way of looking at wagonomics but I think the way you're looking at it is a pretty hard to fake townie mindset.

[Alison]

I also suspect there's some meta dissonance going on here because you mentioned high post volume and aggressive entrances as something that gets people scumread more often, when in my experience it's likely to be the opposite.

[Alison]

Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?

What gives you the feeling that the jokes are going to "actually stick", and what do you mean by that?
@Sloonei Falcon already brought up the point about agreeing with it looking like TMI way before I did, just two posts after the original Made post.

You're giving Tuutu a "bye" based on a hypothetical lynch scenario?


Certainly other players, including Flanders, Poison & Nutella, need to be looked at...interesting that you miss Alison, but you seem to be basing this off an assumed Tuutu green flip because of "staging" that you don't define.

[Alison]

Let's try that formatting again.

Certainly other players, including Flanders, Poison & Nutella, need to be looked at...interesting that you miss Alison, but you seem to be basing this off an assumed Tuutu green flip because of "staging" that you don't define.

@ Sloonei Falcon already brought up the point about agreeing with it looking like TMI way before I did, just two posts after the original Made post.

[Made]

Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?

@Sloonei

This is the post I thought might have TMI, in that it presumes tutuu is going to flip green, but I could see it as more of a wagonomics kind of deal, which is why I still townread Made overall.

That post pinged me as well, for similar reasons.

In contrast to my tentative town read on Alison, I don't love this post from falcon. Alison was generating her own read from a place which may or may not have been valid. Falcon was just hopping through the door that Alison had opened.

Giving this a bye personally b/c of earned good faith. Alison is making good takes, and so has falcon. It's not that weird they're agreeing. Something something mindmeld

tutuu might actually be scum here.

BK, Flanders, Falcon, Poison V

agreed

everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.

idk man haters with their unrealistic expectations

are you depressed because for so long you've been waiting to thrash us and show us how dangerous it was for us to always townclear you early and now when you finally rolled scum you get suspected immediately?

zing

@Sloonei But I was pinged by Nutella early on for the same reason, but she notably lacks the kinds of takes falcon has provided

[Made]

I also suspect there's some meta dissonance going on here because you mentioned high post volume and aggressive entrances as something that gets people scumread more often, when in my experience it's likely to be the opposite.

Interesting. Like really really really interesting. Noted.
Aggressive entrances have always gotten people killed when I've played.

[Alison]

Every site has their own meta and old Syndicate probably has a different meta from current Syndicate.

I think nutella sheeping everyone's reads is well within her town range lol, she's sort of infamous for it.

[Made]

Every site has their own meta and old Syndicate probably has a different meta from current Syndicate.

I think nutella sheeping everyone's reads is well within her town range lol, she's sort of infamous for it.

This has been consistent for like 4 years

[Sloonei]

Made is town.

[Sloonei]

Every site has their own meta and old Syndicate probably has a different meta from current Syndicate.

I think nutella sheeping everyone's reads is well within her town range lol, she's sort of infamous for it.

Yeah I was gonna point this out. Made’s an old school syndicat playing in his first game in a long time. He’ll be operating in a different cultural meta than most folks here.

[sprityo]

So I'm here.

I would like to first disclose that my reads here on players (who are also in my other game) are going to be independent of my other game that I'm hosting; hypothetically speaking my reads on some players right now could be influenced by observing them in the other game & knowing their alignment as the host, and then comparing to this game.

If this presents too much of an ethical problem though then I'll see if I can get replaced. Otherwise, I would like to stop discussing the other game here.

Also

Figuring what time of year it is a good estimate would be after thanksgiving say Friday the 27th

This doesn't warn me that a 24-hour D0 would begin on thanksgiving lol

My apologies I forgot I worked late today and wanted to make sure I didn’t miss the start date

[sprityo]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

[nutella]

Am I the only one that used a sockpuppet?

I was under the impression that sock puppets were going to be the default, but now I just feel kinda silly

hi LC

[Sloonei]

Let's try that formatting again.

Certainly other players, including Flanders, Poison & Nutella, need to be looked at...interesting that you miss Alison, but you seem to be basing this off an assumed Tuutu green flip because of "staging" that you don't define.

@ Sloonei Falcon already brought up the point about agreeing with it looking like TMI way before I did, just two posts after the original Made post.

Noted

[Thunal33]

Gun to head, Tutuu is bad and Alison is town, but like I don't think it's best practice to give too much weight to that w/o context b/c the ~~w a g o n o m i c s~~, especially on D0.

Do you have a stronger suspect than Tutuu?

[nutella]

Man, I'm so excited about the 3p roles idk why.

This reaction to there being 3p isn't really a towny response. I think it's >rand that you're scum or 3p from this.

yeah agreed she posted about 3ps like obsessively for like 20 posts it's super weird

[Sloonei]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

[Thundercat]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

I don't know you, does that count?

[Grand Scheme]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Granted! How marvelous!

[Kylemii]

13 pages in one day, huh. that's the current normal?

Skip the first 200. Also hi again

_{If anyone really thinks there’s things in the first 200 that aught to be read, speak now or forever hold your peace}

understood, someone @ me if anything important happens in the first 200 pages

[Sloonei]

Does saying the word “sockpuppet” summon them?

[Thunal33]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

[Sloonei]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?

[112]

i didn't realize this started

on page 2

[Thunal33]

Man, I'm so excited about the 3p roles idk why.

This reaction to there being 3p isn't really a towny response. I think it's >rand that you're scum or 3p from this.

yeah agreed she posted about 3ps like obsessively for like 20 posts it's super weird

I also dislike that it felt like Poison was pushing Tutuu from the sidelines early on and only started suspecting Tutuu after a few others did. Like someone else (forgot who) said, it's like she wants Tutuu eliminated but doesn't want to get her hands dirty.

[Made]

i didn't realize this started

on page 2

Skip the first 200 post

[Thunal33]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?

I'm doing fine, Mr. Parmesan. Do you have reads yet?

[Sloonei]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?

I'm doing fine, Mr. Parmesan. Do you have reads yet?

I am about to leave for work now and was going to drop this Spicy read unsolicited if you hadn’t asked:
Nutella is mafia.

[Joe Who?]

[nutella]

My Canucks friends think I'm scum which is sad because I think BK and Falcon are definitely town. Flanders is probably just town too, I'm sure he'll let us know if he's not.

NIK is either trying to spin a narrative on me or genuinely expected me to shitpost all day and I'm letting him down. Gonna have to be null on him for now, I know he missed me.

That's it for my rusty rusty meta reads. 112 please arrive soon.

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Other updated thoughts from me Thunal town, their early progression on I think Tutuu seemed believable.

Allison is probably just town, even though I know she likes wolfing.

MacD could be scum, playing a lot like he did early on as scum in Pyre Mafia. Worth noting I'm not very familiar with his play in general though.

I feel like half the player list or less has checked in and most of the discussion is coming from 3 or 4 people so I'm gonna keep chilling.

ok you can be town for now

[nutella]

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The white one

We have a black one that I think is much nicer. I think the prosilver background became the default when the site went nuts a couple weeks ago, but it’s not supposed to be.

this is how sloonei reenters the thread after a while?


his first post was already so wolfy and this isnt doing him any favors

[Alison]

Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?

I'm doing fine, Mr. Parmesan. Do you have reads yet?

I am about to leave for work now and was going to drop this Spicy read unsolicited if you hadn’t asked:
Nutella is mafia.

not feeling it

[Alison]

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The white one

We have a black one that I think is much nicer. I think the prosilver background became the default when the site went nuts a couple weeks ago, but it’s not supposed to be.

this is how sloonei reenters the thread after a while?


his first post was already so wolfy and this isnt doing him any favors

How was his first post wolfy?

[nutella]

-Mastermind-Obliterator: Makes Mafia members appear anonymous while in mafia chat. Counts as a Mafia Member. Steals Wincon from Mafia if Mafia wins. Can Obliterate players at night by matching players to roles.
*SECRETS*

is tmi even possible in this setup?

this is tmi :wowee:

[nutella]

(no really what does that mean do the mafia actually not know who each other are :??????? that doesnt make any sense lolz)

[falcon45ca]

4 posts from Thundercat, and none of them look even remotely close to town trying to solve the game

[nutella]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

ok what the actual fuck

[nutella]

anyway, sloonei is actually lock mafia sheep me fools

[Thunal33]

-Mastermind-Obliterator: Makes Mafia members appear anonymous while in mafia chat. Counts as a Mafia Member. Steals Wincon from Mafia if Mafia wins. Can Obliterate players at night by matching players to roles.
*SECRETS*

is tmi even possible in this setup?

this is tmi :wowee:

I know Sloonei wasn't all that motivated at the start of Grasslands but that's the only time I played with him, so is low motivation at the start actually wolf indicative for him?

[nutella]

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The yellow font hurt me eyes.

What background are you using?

The white one

We have a black one that I think is much nicer. I think the prosilver background became the default when the site went nuts a couple weeks ago, but it’s not supposed to be.

this is how sloonei reenters the thread after a while?


his first post was already so wolfy and this isnt doing him any favors

How was his first post wolfy?

meant his 2nd post about wishing he had a sock / not wanting ppl to read him


anyway his iso has gotten even worse recently, talking about forum tools and other non-game-relevant stuff, trying to act forcedly casual, and obviously being more aware of the mafia anon thing bringing it up and then trying to cover that up by saying he could be misreading it, i had no idea that was even a thing but clearly he did. like it's possible he had just read it carefully and noticed it but i wasn't convinced that was the correct interpretation until sprit confirmed cause it seems so wild to me, but sloonei seemed to know