Christmas Time Is Here Again

[Kylemii]

@Grand Scheme was that always there??

[Alison]

@Alison what would you say differentiates your wolf versus townie approach?

Nothing.

[Alison]

Sloonei, do you agree on disagree on the following points:

1) Samusamu is obvious town.
2) Sig would see that Samusamu is obvious town if he was town.

Ah but for anyone who knows me theyd say I'm obvious town so are you mafia for voting for me.

Also the idea your mafia for going against someone who you don't read as town even if other people do isn't a straight up mafia thing to do.

How many times have people deep wolfed in games, something Samu says he likes to do.

I'm not saying he is deep wolfing, but calling me mafia for not agreeing hes town isn't very logical seems like your trying to find a weak reason to throw down a vote.

That doesn't jive. You've had heat on you this game from multiple people. You aren't obvtown at all. Trying to normalize suspicious pushes under the guise of rooting out deepwolves is extremely scummy behavior. You will not get a free pass to push townies from me.

If someone is town, and you should know this, but you still try to kill them, then you are trying to eliminate members of the town under false pretexts.

[Alison]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

These are empty words. You don't show us why it's true and you don't follow it up with a vote of your own. It's hust shotgunning shade.

[Alison]

cat's push on me is obviously nonsensical, but there is no benefit he gains from it if he's scum.

[Made]

cat is a duck, and i do not like that

It's a goose.
I don't like you being wrong .
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

if it walks like a duck, quack like a duck....

what are your reads silly goose?

[Kylemii]

doesn't deepwolf imply that there's an established towncore of some kind

[Made]

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

I Refuse.

you're the only person in this town that I respect

this a meme or like....?

[sig]

Sloonei, do you agree on disagree on the following points:

1) Samusamu is obvious town.
2) Sig would see that Samusamu is obvious town if he was town.

Ah but for anyone who knows me theyd say I'm obvious town so are you mafia for voting for me.

Also the idea your mafia for going against someone who you don't read as town even if other people do isn't a straight up mafia thing to do.

How many times have people deep wolfed in games, something Samu says he likes to do.

I'm not saying he is deep wolfing, but calling me mafia for not agreeing hes town isn't very logical seems like your trying to find a weak reason to throw down a vote.

That doesn't jive. You've had heat on you this game from multiple people. You aren't obvtown at all. Trying to normalize suspicious pushes under the guise of rooting out deepwolves is extremely scummy behavior. You will not get a free pass to push townies from me.

If someone is town, and you should know this, but you still try to kill them, then you are trying to eliminate members of the town under false pretexts.

So we shouldn't be suspicious of someone who other people read as town? So deep wolves don't exist and weren't literally in the last game we played.

Also its a false narrative to even say Samu is a obv town, multiple people have disagreed with that your trying to force your opinion on everyone else's.

Also given that you literally just played with me can you not tell when im joking? I'm pretty sure this is the second time it happened this game vz not at all last game.

I'm really not liking your approach this game or the reasoning for why you should go after me it seems scummy

[sig]

Honeslty seems like you know he isnt mafia since you are and projecting that onto me

[Made]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

[Made]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

i see it, and this is kinda amazing

but like the timing here feels all sorts of weird. cat is getting sused, needs to contribute, and throws shade at alison for being alison...yeah this is her mo, and someone calling someone sus for an mo is a thing, but like this is really on the nose at a really convenient time for cat

[Made]

(my two cents is that i also don’t entirely jam with the playstyle, but i’m very hesitant to just call unfamiliar playstyles scummy esp in a new group; noting here that i’m a little frustrated by alison characterizing my “i don’t do hard scumreads d1” as a hedge + that she seemingly asked a question in the hopes of receiving a specific answer?)

top scum read? or is that the thing you don't do on d1???

[Alison]

So we shouldn't be suspicious of someone who other people read as town? So deep wolves don't exist and weren't literally in the last game we played.

Also its a false narrative to even say Samu is a obv town, multiple people have disagreed with that your trying to force your opinion on everyone else's.

Also given that you literally just played with me can you not tell when im joking? I'm pretty sure this is the second time it happened this game vz not at all last game.

I'm really not liking your approach this game or the reasoning for why you should go after me it seems scummy

Deep wolves exist. But what you are doing is not rooting a deep wolf out. What you are doing is attacking a townie player for bad reasoning, backing off when they get townread and reverting to a list of three safe reads, and then pretending that you're scumhunting or engaging in townie paranoia when you have no solid reasoning behind your push.

I think Samu is obvtown and I am trying to force this on everyone else. That's what playing mafia is about. I hate your push on him and scumread you on it. I don't care if you dislike my approach since I think you are scum and I want you dead.

[Alison]

Honeslty seems like you know he isnt mafia since you are and projecting that onto me

Is "Alison is confident in an early read, must be TMI" really the best shot you have?

[Sloonei]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

[Syn]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

I had to buy a new container of paprika because the old paprika started clumping together and wouldn't mix into food anymore. This is your fault.

[Sloonei]

The aggression shown by both sig and samu right out of the gate felt like two civilians who thought they’d caught mafiers.

If I show aggression out the gate you don't give me townpoints, because you know it's very well within my scum range. Same for Mac, nutella, or any other experienced player. sig is an experienced player. Why does he get points for aggression?

I am not awarding sig townie points simply for exhibiting aggression. I am awarding him townie points because I thought his particular aggression looked authentic. Samu's got a unique style, both verbally and in methodology, so it does not alarm me that a player would react the way sig did. It is not the first time I've seen that. Samu and I played together briefly in Champs, and the entire early portion of Day 1 was spent bickering about whether or not his play was suspicious.

Samu initiated the exchange with sig, and sig's response reads more like "irritated civilian whose words are being twisted" than "defensive wolf" to me. If anything, I feel like a mafia sig would be less inclined to react as harshly as he did. Sig is aware of his reputation as easy mischop bait. If he's mafia and trying to avoid that, he can do so there by not launching into a crusade against the wordy newcomer. But he does it anyway, because that's what his impulse tells him to do. I do not have any meta examples to back this up, it's just my kneejerk reaction to what I am seeing from this version of sig right now.

I'll also note one other thing that gave me a slight town lean on sig:

Also hey. I'm in 2 games again somehow so activity may be a bit light for awhile

One of his first posts in the game is something that could serve as an excuse to be a low-volume contributor on Day 1. Since then, he has been one of the highest-volume contributors on Day 1.

[Sloonei]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

I had to buy a new container of paprika because the old paprika started clumping together and wouldn't mix into food anymore. This is your fault.

My Christmas gift to you, Syn, is a new container for your paprika.
Sloonbeard works in mysterious ways.

[Made]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

[Sloonei]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

[Made]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

[Sloonei]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

[Made]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

Kinda don’t believe you, so will see where that goes, but are entitled to your onion mr. paprika. I’m town, so

[Sloonei]

Deadline is December 19, 5pm EST.

Deadline is in just over 2 hours. I won't be here for it.

I don't hate my vote on cat, but I don't have a concrete argument other than "they seem less town than other people so far."

A couple of Made's posts have given me a distinct feeling of [something] that I'd rather not discuss until he's said more, but I need to leave soon so

[Sloonei]

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

Kinda don’t believe you, so will see where that goes, but are entitled to your onion mr. paprika. I’m town, so

Why would I lie if I'm town?

[Made]

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

Kinda don’t believe you, so will see where that goes, but are entitled to your onion mr. paprika. I’m town, so

Why would I lie if I'm town?

reaction gauging imo, kinda “scumy” in a literal sense but it has utility, and I don’t have reason distrust that yet

[Kylemii]

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

I Refuse.

you're the only person in this town that I respect

this a meme or like....?

I've never memed a single day in my life.

[Made]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

[Sloonei]

What makes you think my suspicion of you is “reaction gauging”, @Made?

[Sloonei]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

What is your read on cat?

[Made]

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[Syn]

oh you're right, EOD is imminent

guess I need to switch from my joke vote

to uh...

to... uh...

[Syn]

oh you're right, EOD is imminent

guess I need to switch from my joke vote

to uh...

to... uh...

maybe I'll just stay on Wilgy

[Made]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

What is your read on cat?

either baddie whose realized they were gonna get yeeted if they didn’t pretend to contribute a least a little— the Alison “read” reads like potential btsc. or just low posting townie, it feels too early to vote there, but the day is also ending early and y’all think Samu is townie for reasons so yikkeess

[Made]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

[Made]

What makes you think my suspicion of you is “reaction gauging”, @Made?

I “don’t” but it feels more likely that ur testing my loyalty to the civvie cause than any baddie angles I can think of anyways.

I am loyal to the court, my friend.

(Plus you just said you’re looking for [Something] so...)

[Sloonei]

What makes you think my suspicion of you is “reaction gauging”, @Made?

I “don’t” but it feels more likely that ur testing my loyalty to the civvie cause than any baddie angles I can think of anyways.

I am loyal to the court, my friend.

(Plus you just said you’re looking for [Something] so...)

I didn’t say I’m looking for [something], I said your posts give me vibes of [something].

The alleged [something] is a sort of projected confidence. It feels unnatural and/or forced.

[Made]

What makes you think my suspicion of you is “reaction gauging”, @Made?

I “don’t” but it feels more likely that ur testing my loyalty to the civvie cause than any baddie angles I can think of anyways.

I am loyal to the court, my friend.

(Plus you just said you’re looking for [Something] so...)

I didn’t say I’m looking for [something], I said your posts give me vibes of [something].

The alleged [something] is a sort of projected confidence. It feels unnatural and/or forced.

semantics, but okay. Beside, cat and me, where are you looking at this point?

[Made]

may it please the court:

made
sig
syn
kyle
sloonei

GS
mew
cat


alison
wilgy
samu

[sig]

Honeslty seems like you know he isnt mafia since you are and projecting that onto me

Is "Alison is confident in an early read, must be TMI" really the best shot you have?

You mean exactly what you're trying to do to me?

[Kylemii]

when is the day phase actually over btw

[Kylemii]

is it in 1 minute, 61 minutes or 121 minutes

[cat]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

ZZZ. Will catch up tommorow. Just saw the most recent posts and i dont like it.

[Made]

Where is Falcon

[sig]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

These are empty words. You don't show us why it's true and you don't follow it up with a vote of your own. It's hust shotgunning shade.

Its like you haven't just played two games with me.

You're just trying to nit pick idk if you're defending a teammate or just trying to be engaged without doing much.

[sig]

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

This doesn't seem like your civ game st all. I don't think your vote on me is genuine. In fact you were taking advantage of samu vote to try and get a wagon started.

[sig]

Though I'm also tempted to tie it up and I'm not opposed to wilgy

[sig]

Though I'm also tempted to tie it up and I'm not opposed to wilgy

Actually no I'm not going to do that, I looked at who was voting where and I trust everyone on the cat wagon more than the wilgy wagon atm.

[sig]

@cat why didn't you tie it up with wilgy? You're leading