Christmas Time Is Here Again

[Marmot]

Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

[Sloonei]

Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

[Marmot]

I chose to shoot Sloonei last night
Maybe we should string him up tight

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This doesn't make any sense to me.

[Marmot]

Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

Wilgy. He's a scumread, and as far as I've seeing not trying to gamesolve, so is a good night target imo

[Marmot]

Slooneii... your posts are so long. What do you expect me to do with THAT??

[Marmot]

And im not sure how I feel about GS theory, but at the same time I can't see why sloonie is still alive if he's a civ. And he's hard bussed teammates before very recently and made it to end game because of it.

@Marmot what do you think

Because mafia do not simply just nightkill who they want?

Why are you asking me?

[Marmot]

And this push on me feels very disingenuous

What's disingenuous about it?

[Marmot]

And I could see a case by you, but imo there are alot better lynch targets today for sloonie he also only seemed to have looked at me. Just seems a bit sketchy.

You and Sloonei can both be town no?

You started the day off by giving Sloonei credit for catching Made. I read this as a townread of sorts. Calling him sketchy now for suspecting is kinda ad hom.

[Sloonei]

Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

Wilgy. He's a scumread, and as far as I've seeing not trying to gamesolve, so is a good night target imo

Is low thread presence unusual for wilgy?
Also Made pushed wilgy very hard yesterday. It was almost certainly not bussing.

Is all of this wilgy suspicion a prank on me?

[Sloonei]

Slooneii... your posts are so long. What do you expect me to do with THAT??

Accept that i’ve solved the game for christmas.

[Marmot]

Marmot's first post is his massive ketchup wall. He gives Made an early town read for Made's public lesson on coal. Not unfair.
The most substantial point RE: Made is difficult to follow:

I've generally felt good about Sloonei and null on Made, but the end of this interaction is weird.

If Made doesn't believe Sloonei, normally that would mean he scumreads Sloonei.

I get that townies are far less likely to lie than wolves, but the question Sloonei asked in response is still weird. I can't put my finger on why.

It is unclear from this which of us (me or Made) Marmot says he feels "weird" about. The first line gives no indication what the source of the weirdness is. The second line would indicate Made is the weird one. The third directly states that I am the weird one.
Could you explain this response in more detail, O Christmas Marmot?

Spoiler: show

Current reads


Town:
Marmot
Sig
Samusamu
Sloonei
Grand Scheme

Middling:
Mewtini
Syn
Made

Scum:
Kylemii
DrWilgy

Marmot has Made in the middle tier of his reads list, shared with Mewtini and Syn. Kyle and Wilgy are at the bottom.
Why is everyone listing Grand Scheme as a town read in all these lists?

Incidental mention of Made in a discussion with Syn about Wilgy.

Spoiler: show

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.

Direct defense of Made when I prompted the thread for pro-Made arguments. Not the best look in the world, but he was just answering my question. But Marmot was the only one to really step up to the plate here, and I can't not give that some weight here. I'll also note that this is a different point than the one Marmot raised to give Made town credit earlier, if that means anything.

Spoiler: show

Oh carp, I forgot day ended now, although my vote doesn't count anyway, so whatever

If posting is still permitted, everyone should post their targets tonight imo. My pick is Wilgy.

Also, I don't think Made is mafia, but I do generally townread the voters on his wagon (and not just because their names all start with s)

Implicit support of the Made wagon. This is more direct than sig's implicit support. I still don't love the way it looks, but if I'm comparing those two then Marmot is better. But not by a lot.

This is not a comprehensive Marmot ISO, obviously, and I don't have much of a feel for his game as a whole right now. But the Made interactions are Not So Great.

I was speaking about Made's statement of "I don't believe you". I think I found it mildly suspicious since he didn't follow up on it. He said he didn't believe that you thought he was mafia, which doesn't make sense if he doesn't scumread you at all.

I was several pages into catching up at that point, so I was probably loopy, and I don't think I had the words to describe it at the time. Then I later forgot about it.

[Marmot]

Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

Wilgy. He's a scumread, and as far as I've seeing not trying to gamesolve, so is a good night target imo

Is low thread presence unusual for wilgy?
Also Made pushed wilgy very hard yesterday. It was almost certainly not bussing.

Is all of this wilgy suspicion a prank on me?

No, but I answered that question without any knowledge of those interactions or your iso, so I'm unlikely to vote for Wilgy today.

I haven't played many games with Wilgy lately. The one I can recall, he subbed in and we were scummates, and in that case he was middle-of-the-pack active

[Marmot]

I'm not speaking posting clearly.

I am NOW unlikely to vote for Wilgy today.


I don't think sig has responded to the accusations well.

On another note, Sloonei's basically confirmed Rudolph's red shiny nose on a cloudy Christmas night. Reading back through that interaction between him and Made Day 1 confirms it.

[Marmot]

Ah, I see I've dropped in your poe Sloonei.

If it helps, I'll offer myself up as a policy nightchop tonight, especially if sig really is scum #2. Everybody target me tonight and eliminate the poe?

[Sloonei]

Ah, I see I've dropped in your poe Sloonei.

If it helps, I'll offer myself up as a policy nightchop tonight, especially if sig really is scum #2. Everybody target me tonight and eliminate the poe?

At this point a POE of 3 wins the game and I have it narrowed down to you, Grand Scheme, and sig. What I want to hear is objections to that list. Should anyone be taken out? Who should replace them?

I expect each of you to spend your Christmas poring over the data.

[Marmot]

lol, happy Xmas to you too

[Kylemii]

Interesting, I was coaled Night 1 and Alison dies (who I targeted)

Samu was coaled Night 2 and mew dies (who he targeted)


I wonder if mafia are coaling and gifting the same player every time.

Almost three persons choose alison n1.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Who is the mafia right now for u? And what do u choose this night?

These two points are what a town have to begin with.

I've not looked back at Made's interactions, nor have I read the thread yet. At this moment before doing that, they are Wilgy and Kyle.

explain? if you get time

[Marmot]

I changed my mind kyle you're town

[Marmot]

I didn't like your vote on Day 1, that was my main qualm. But if sig is mafia, then I take it back, because voting a teammate in that situation seems reckless.

[Kylemii]

thanks but why

[Marmot]

I have a spare townread, would you like it?

[Kylemii]

ah I see you responded

[Kylemii]

I was a fool to think I'd have time today

[Marmot]

would you do me the honors of shooting me tonight kyle?

[Marmot]

I was a fool to think I'd have time today

it only takes like 10 min to replicate what sloonking did, of course you have time

[Kylemii]

yeah you're right. I'm the mafia champion of mars after all

[Marmot]

did you know that a day on mars lasts just overr 24 hours? Almost the same as Earth!

[Kylemii]

that's why Im always late to vote and send night actions is cus my day is a little longer

[Kylemii]

would you do me the honors of shooting me tonight kyle?

walk me through this

[Marmot]

If we all target the same person tonight, it will:

a) protect the Slooncore
b) narrow the poe
c) if our pre-selected target isn't dead, we're guaranteed to know that mafia gifted themselves

It might not be necessary, but it's an idea to treat our nightkill as a second yeet.

[Sloonei]

I would prefer to shoot Grand Scheme if we’re shooting at my POE.

[Samusamu]

At this point i prefer lynching grand scheme and shooting sig.

As a xmas gift for participation for sig.

Buuut humm its okey for me if viciversa.

[Grand Scheme]

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good yeet
Still jolly though Grand Scheme is in the hot seat
To the hardworking town, I apologize
Busier this week then I realized
I hope this will put you all on the right track
'Cause the concept of evil Helpers is wack
Good luck to you all , please get it right
Though I'll be gone, keep up the good fight!

[sig]

I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.

[Samusamu]

I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.

You have had many opportunities to defend yourself and as soon as the pressure rises on you, you claim the option to survive at all costs.

But you never shoot against marmot .

I like you but you need to be lynched today.

[Samusamu]

I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.

You have had many opportunities to defend yourself and as soon as the pressure rises on you, you claim the option to survive at all costs.

But you never shoot against marmot .

I like you but you need to be lynched today.

You never shoot against marmot in this day phase.

[Samusamu]

Shoot=push

[Marmot]

I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.

You have had many opportunities to defend yourself and as soon as the pressure rises on you, you claim the option to survive at all costs.

But you never shoot against marmot .

I like you but you need to be lynched today.

You never shoot against marmot in this day phase.

Anti-spew mode?

[Grand Scheme]

I'm sure that when this day is done
That I will not receive the gun

Consider, all, when making your choice
The evil team has heard your voice

If you say you're shooting town
Then that's how it will go down

Switching, secretly, your shot
Is the ONLY baddie-killing plot

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy's stocking is full of coal
But Grand Scheme will not judge his soul

Agreed with samu's Change My Mind
Wilgy's stocking is full of wine

I see your scheme as i see his coal
but with wifom can you not judge a soul

so direct are hearts to thing with meanings
Mr. Wilgy, what are your readings?

Samu town,

Sig and Syn scum. Hbu?

This is the only interaction with or about Made in Wilgy's ISO from Days 1-2.

Wilgy has 19 posts and Made pushed him harder than anyone else in the game. I am not overly concerned with the lack of content.

Ty dad

[Sloonei]

I'm sure that when this day is done
That I will not receive the gun

Consider, all, when making your choice
The evil team has heard your voice

If you say you're shooting town
Then that's how it will go down

Switching, secretly, your shot
Is the ONLY baddie-killing plot

I think Grandy is volunteering to be shot

[Grand Scheme]

Shooting me is the death of a town
I accept that that is going down
Thought I might be today's chop
Or shot tonight, I cannot stop

Thought that you'd make this connection
I'm likely most folks' first selection
See, I was suggesting secret switch
So, Sloonei, don't be a bitch

[Marmot]

No GS, we should shoot me tonight.

[Kylemii]

In the spirit of Christmas I will be giving my vote to whoever bribes me the hardest

[Kylemii]

(within reason)

[Marmot]

you have been townread by the greatest mafia player in the world

[Marmot]

that's not really a bribe, but a reminder

[Kylemii]

neither a bribe nor even a vote designation 0/10

[Sloonei]

Vote for sig and I’ll help you conquer Mars.

[Marmot]

Hey GS, if Sloonei is deepwolfing, who's his partner?