Bread Mafia [Game Over]

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Who's getting baked today? (It takes 8 votes to hammer the bread)

Poll ended at Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:00 pm

Alison
5
33%
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:48 am
DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:41 am spf can u explain why ur vibing with me?
you are extremely at ease in a way that i suspect you wouldnt be if you got a mafia role PM on a site that youre not familiar with

that's good enough for me to vibe w/you for now
You've played with Dk before right? How good a scum player are they?
yup, they're from my homesite, but i've only directly seen them as scum for exactly ~one~ day in a game that i replaced out of

they're a strong scum player - they are typically very methodical and very adept at instilling paranoia among consensus reads and forcefully strongarming people into their positions. i do think that theyre rand!town so far, but they shouldn't be underestimated
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Daisy is giving me a Tarot reading as we speak, I wonder if she will reveal the Mafia to me.
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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i am going to make my PoE everyone who is voting for PUMPKIN right now.

yall fucking NASTY
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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banana is the only correct answer
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:01 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:48 am
DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:41 am spf can u explain why ur vibing with me?
you are extremely at ease in a way that i suspect you wouldnt be if you got a mafia role PM on a site that youre not familiar with

that's good enough for me to vibe w/you for now
You've played with Dk before right? How good a scum player are they?
yup, they're from my homesite, but i've only directly seen them as scum for exactly ~one~ day in a game that i replaced out of

they're a strong scum player - they are typically very methodical and very adept at instilling paranoia among consensus reads and forcefully strongarming people into their positions. i do think that theyre rand!town so far, but they shouldn't be underestimated
"Seems comfortable and has good tone" is a pretty thin reason to scumread a player who's as good as playing wolf as you describe though
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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to townread a player*, rather
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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uh does the poll live update cuz i coulda sworn spf was voting for pumpkin...
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 am Alright. It is time to play Mafia.

I AM A POWER ROLE.

The reason why I claim this is very simple. I wish to torture the Mafia, because they are my opponents. I could be Vanilla Town fakeclaiming Power Role in order to get myself killed, and Mafia will feel dumb for falling for it. Alternatively I could be a Power Role and the Mafia will feel dumb for not killing me after I just outed it for no reason. In either case, the Mafia is susceptible to making a mistake, and their egos are placed on the line (at least if I was Mafia I would feel dumb for reading me wrong here.)

I have also confirmed myself as a Town beyond a shadow of a doubt, as no member of the Mafia in their right mind would open the game with a post like this. If I was Mafia I would make a post like this, actually, but you guys don't get to consider I could be scum doing this because I just told you that I could do it as scum. If I didn't tell you this, you would have no reason to consider it, because it is silly and wrong and you would look dumb. Ergo, if I hadn't had told you, you wouldn't consider it. Ergo, it is correct of you to lock me as town and never reevaluate no matter what. I was simply doing you guys a favor of letting you know what I would do as Mafia since I am Town-aligned and I wish to teach my fellow members of the Town how to play better. Anything short of locking me as an Innocent Child at this point is basically gamethrowing.

Thank you for reading. Regardless of anything that happens further, I have made beyond a shadow of a doubt the correct play, I have confirmed myself as Town-aligned, and the Mafia will make a mistake in their decision during Night 1.
i'm gonna go ahead and sheep this.

Also JJJ is bad, he's being too helpful. I don't trust it

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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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is anyone opposed to a JaggedJimmyJay, Esooa, nutella, tutuu PoE on D1?
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:04 am is anyone opposed to a JaggedJimmyJay, Esooa, nutella, tutuu PoE on D1?
yes
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:04 am is anyone opposed to a JaggedJimmyJay, Esooa, nutella, tutuu PoE on D1?
I am confirmed Town-Aligned Power Role, did you not read my post?
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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tutuu is scummy for not knowing it's roll not role
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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u didnt even vote in the poll u dont get input
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:02 am i am going to make my PoE everyone who is voting for PUMPKIN right now.

yall fucking NASTY
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:03 am banana is the only correct answer
they're all p good tbh
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:03 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:01 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:48 am
DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:41 am spf can u explain why ur vibing with me?
you are extremely at ease in a way that i suspect you wouldnt be if you got a mafia role PM on a site that youre not familiar with

that's good enough for me to vibe w/you for now
You've played with Dk before right? How good a scum player are they?
yup, they're from my homesite, but i've only directly seen them as scum for exactly ~one~ day in a game that i replaced out of

they're a strong scum player - they are typically very methodical and very adept at instilling paranoia among consensus reads and forcefully strongarming people into their positions. i do think that theyre rand!town so far, but they shouldn't be underestimated
"Seems comfortable and has good tone" is a pretty thin reason to scumread a player who's as good as playing wolf as you describe though
i agree, but this is a unique circumstance. dk entered this game not knowing the site meta or many of the players here, and they still had a baseline level of comfort and excitement that i struggle to see being reflected so well if they had rand'd scum

that's not strong reasoning to hard townread dk, but it's good enough reasoning for an early townlean
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:05 am tutuu is scummy for not knowing it's roll not role
The sign-up thread made me tired enough of the roleplay.
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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cuz scumslips are just a frame of mind sis
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Made wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:04 am Also JJJ is bad, he's being too helpful. I don't trust it
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:05 am tutuu is scummy for not knowing it's roll not role
The sign-up thread made me tired enough of the roleplay.
more like i bet ur partners made a bunch of puns in the scum pt huh huh
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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nutella wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am they're all p good tbh
for once we agree about food

all those breads are delicious. walnut is the closest to being yuck, but i can dig on occasion
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Made wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:04 am Also JJJ is bad, he's being too helpful. I don't trust it
Made good bread
never took you for a baker J. It wasn't pumpkin was it?
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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im willing to ignore LC"s scumslip bc im pocketed its ok
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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i have no opinion of long con's post
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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I have not found much substance so far. I am back to grinding path of exile instead of sleeping or doing my college homework
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.
did marmot explicitly say he wasn't play this game?
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.
I don't think scum literally just flat out lie about reads. I'd think he'd at least try to make real ones and not pick random names. So I don't see what you're talking about here
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.
i think u need to eat some bread here you go
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am tutuu
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unless you have a good reason for having my name here you're probably scum tbh
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:11 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:07 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:06 am Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too
looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy
I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.
I don't think scum literally just flat out lie about reads. I'd think he'd at least try to make real ones and not pick random names. So I don't see what you're talking about here
I disagree, I think it's well within LC's scum range to pick two names out of a hat :P
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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am tutuu
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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i dont care about the slip but i shamelessly and unabashedly omgus long con for saying he got bad vibes from me
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staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:12 am i dont care about the slip but i shamelessly and unabashedly omgus long con for saying he got bad vibes from me
yes queen
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Made accused me of being too helpful. that's one of those reads that happens a lot but i don't recall seeing much of it from mafia-aligned people. it's the most basic "my distrustful instincts have been triggered by your kindness" sort of perspective that town people uniquely have.
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I just played a game with LC as bad. he didn't read his role pm till d1. I doubt it's indicative of anything tbh
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we should pact to not vote spf d1 bc im tired of seeing spf flip town d1 :3 also it makes it harder for her to make reads when pressured if she is town
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ordered

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JJJ

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nanook

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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:12 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am tutuu
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Esooa
unless you have a good reason for having my name here you're probably scum tbh
I don't think it's likely Scum!Eso would respond like this and reject the opportunity to mason with me. I think she would be happy to. So this reinforces my townread on her.

Eso, I don't know why you believe I am incapable of reading you off one post or less. That's silly.
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DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:14 am we should pact to not vote spf d1 bc im tired of seeing spf flip town d1 :3 also it makes it harder for her to make reads when pressured if she is town
definitely down to not ever kill spf personally
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:15 am
DkKoba wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:14 am we should pact to not vote spf d1 bc im tired of seeing spf flip town d1 :3 also it makes it harder for her to make reads when pressured if she is town
definitely down to not ever kill spf personally
thats what u say before u shamelessly murder her in the middle of the night
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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:14 am ordered

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JJJ

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nanook

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LC
no clue what this means
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Good morning everyone, just woke up
Let's take this bread
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tbh u would kill me first cuz of the guilt tho :3
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:12 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am tutuu
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I would like reasons
I own Eso's soul and DK is just obvious.
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:15 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:12 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 am tutuu
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unless you have a good reason for having my name here you're probably scum tbh
I don't think it's likely Scum!Eso would respond like this and reject the opportunity to mason with me. I think she would be happy to. So this reinforces my townread on her.

Eso, I don't know why you believe I am incapable of reading you off one post or less. That's silly.
explain your read then. With posts up to the point you made the one town reading me
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Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:14 am Removal
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whaddya like
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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]

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Esooa wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:15 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:14 am ordered

Bombs
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JJJ

Removal
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Duds
LC
no clue what this means
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