Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

[Urist]

Spf is definitely probably not vault city

Seems likely yes

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

That’s a weird way to spell rej

rej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected

Being 0/2 on D1 is actually pretty common for strong players

perhaps. i misread esooa on d1 too so i'm not claiming to be a paragon of accurate d1 reads

i'm just a bit irked by d1 in general

Why? It seemed fine enough to me

combination of having my incredibly vocal scumread on rej unacknowledged until the final hour of d1 for an inexplicable reason, having my townread on c4 constantly invalidated by people who were claiming that he was ~outed scum~, having my questions toward my suspicions largely ignored, and generally feeling like my place in the gamestate was simultaneously invisible and under suspicion

i'm not trying to complain or bring negative energy into the thread - there were just a bunch of tiny factors on d1 that increasingly made me feel like the threadstate was being pioneered either by wolves or by people who confirmation biased themselves into certain pushes

[Long Con]

Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

[KZA]

Grogu ghost voted on to BK and did absolutely nothing D1.

Do I have to say anything else?

[staypositivefriend]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

i don't feel that your explanation here is completely congruent with the post you said yesterday shortly before the deadline, though:

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

to me, this post feels like you're trying to talk yourself into a c4!scum world - not that you thought that c4 was just town who wanted to die

[DaughterOfOmega]

so far I am 0/1 on who I thought one of my faction members were

[Sloonei]

I was town reading Jack at the end because of what TSP said: scum reading me is a way to keep me alive to Day 2.

Jack was pulling out quotes from me that are very very normal for me, maybe even town-indicative, and saying things like “there’s no way town Sloon says this.” Jack does not usually misread me like that. He rarely tries to read me confidently at all on Day 1. It was odd to see him being so confident and so wrong about me right off the bat.

I was also conscious of his champs confession to me: when he’s scum he’ encourage pressure on me as a way to get me to self-destruct. Those things combined to male me suspect him at first, but then I came to think he was maybe just trying to lengthen my life expectancy.

[Urist]

Grogu ghost voted on to BK and did absolutely nothing D1.

Do I have to say anything else?

Grogu is green i.e. town pr

[Kylemii]

hello everyone

[KZA]

Alison and Esooa probably not teammates

[Kylemii]

i will be reading nothing of the past, the real game starts now, with my birth into it

[KZA]

Grogu ghost voted on to BK and did absolutely nothing D1.

Do I have to say anything else?

Grogu is green i.e. town pr

So he might be my enemy but not yet

[staypositivefriend]

rej has slight teammate equity with esooa

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

i don't feel that your explanation here is completely congruent with the post you said yesterday shortly before the deadline, though:

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

to me, this post feels like you're trying to talk yourself into a c4!scum world - not that you thought that c4 was just town who wanted to die

Even the part where the first thing I said was, “He reads like he wants to die”?

[Urist]

so far I am 0/1 on who I thought one of my faction members were

We get it, you're councilman westin, you can stop claiming now

[Sloonei]

Does spf kill esooa?

[Kylemii]

how important is it to thoroughly understand the roles in this game

[DaughterOfOmega]

so far I am 0/1 on who I thought one of my faction members were

We get it, you're councilman westin, you can stop claiming now

lol

[staypositivefriend]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

i don't feel that your explanation here is completely congruent with the post you said yesterday shortly before the deadline, though:

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

to me, this post feels like you're trying to talk yourself into a c4!scum world - not that you thought that c4 was just town who wanted to die

Even the part where the first thing I said was, “He reads like he wants to die”?

yes, because the post carries the overall message of: "i could be wrong and c4 might just be scum"

which is contrary to your explanation of: "i thought he was town that wanted to die"

the progression itself is the thing that i have trouble swallowing

[staypositivefriend]

Does spf kill esooa?

if it was strategically beneficial, yes

it probably would not be, since she was one of my most ardent defenders

[Jackofhearts2005]

going to re-evaluate the game later with the knowledge that c4 is town
the fact that chopchop was tied with c4 and bo (both town) for like 24h indicates that he's probably not enclave

First, wasn’t it more like 8 hours or less? Iirc, Chop’s wagon didn’t really start until mine started to disperse.

Second, supposing that’s correct, how does it follow that Chop isn’t Enclave?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend I never said anything about c4 being “town that wanted to die.” My theory was that he was a wolf in damage control trying to draw as much attention to himself as he could to keep us from hunting his teammates. The “deathwish” theory was entirely predicated on him being mafia.

[DaughterOfOmega]

LETS GO

game is fun

[Kylemii]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

[Sloonei]

@Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

[Sloonei]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

None of it made sense anyway.

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend I never said anything about c4 being “town that wanted to die.” My theory was that he was a wolf in damage control trying to draw as much attention to himself as he could to keep us from hunting his teammates. The “deathwish” theory was entirely predicated on him being mafia.

that was not a theory that i took from your posts about c4 at all, but perhaps i misread. i'll take a deeper dive into your progression on him before i continue to badger you about it

do you understand where my concern is coming from?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

But like....townies are like that all the time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

Link me, baby.

[Kylemii]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

None of it made sense anyway.

why is that

[Long Con]

Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

Link me, baby.

I will when I get home, you find a faster in my ISO but I'll be home in 15 minutes

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend I never said anything about c4 being “town that wanted to die.” My theory was that he was a wolf in damage control trying to draw as much attention to himself as he could to keep us from hunting his teammates. The “deathwish” theory was entirely predicated on him being mafia.

that was not a theory that i took from your posts about c4 at all, but perhaps i misread. i'll take a deeper dive into your progression on him before i continue to badger you about it

do you understand where my concern is coming from?

You definitely misread.

[staypositivefriend]

@Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

i am beginning to fear the same

[Sloonei]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

None of it made sense anyway.

why is that

If I knew that, it would have made sense.

[Sloonei]

@Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

I don’t believe you.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was town reading Jack at the end because of what TSP said: scum reading me is a way to keep me alive to Day 2.

Jack was pulling out quotes from me that are very very normal for me, maybe even town-indicative, and saying things like “there’s no way town Sloon says this.” Jack does not usually misread me like that. He rarely tries to read me confidently at all on Day 1. It was odd to see him being so confident and so wrong about me right off the bat.

I was also conscious of his champs confession to me: when he’s scum he’ encourage pressure on me as a way to get me to self-destruct. Those things combined to male me suspect him at first, but then I came to think he was maybe just trying to lengthen my life expectancy.

I tend to not pretend to scumread players as town. I think I did it to Jay in World Flags and that’s about it.

I think this overstates my confidence in my Sloonei read and undervalues the fact that I told you that strategy in champs knowing full well that I’d need to come up with a different one if we were to ever rand wolf and town.

I’m not sure if that’s intentional but lol multiball so it doesn’t really matter.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

I don’t believe you.

So try and yeet me.

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imagine having a towngame such that you can say with a straight face “if you were town, you’d townread me” on D2.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

Your “concerns about c4” stem from things I never said.

[Urist]

the only way esooa's defense of mac is AI for him is if he's vault city
in which case it's really not a priority to execute him.

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

Your “concerns about c4” stem from things I never said.

regardless of whether or not that's true, (i still need to investigate your progression on c4 in general), the way that you engaged with me felt more deflective than inquisitive

and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

[Sloonei]

and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

How so?

[staypositivefriend]

and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

How so?

it feels less obvious if i have to explain it