Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well if both top wagons are townies, I think we should go no yeet unless anyone has info.

Patpat.

It’s a joke.

[Grogu]

As for Grugu, the only notable thing about them was their vote on me when Made was receiving pressure.

Not entirely sure what to make out of it but could definitely be scum trying to protect their buddy.

I truly believed omega was town. I seen them fake claim as town and felt they were being honest and upset and us not listening. I can’t speak for made but I already had my read and felt you are scummy. Might not be the same team as omega but you are all the same to me.

[Grogu]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

You really TR them huh.

Yes. I made that clear

[Alison]

@ChopChop Please have the maturity to understand that nobody in the entire fucking game understands your case. Nobody. Your biggest advocate is Martin and even he doesn't fully understand what you mean by signalling or fake cases (he independently suspects TSP, but for completely different reasons - TSP's vote switch to Rej). Your constant complaining about how Tony is sooooooo obvious and soooooo outed is not helping anyone else understand your case and is actively hurtful to thread health. It is a big part of why I voted you yesterday (apart from thinking you're just scum). Now I am moving more towards you being town and so I am asking you, for the third time this day phase, to stop this shit and play like a normal human being.

[Urist]

Well if both top wagons are townies, I think we should go no yeet unless anyone has info.

Patpat.

It’s a joke.

so hard to tell this game lol

i keep looking at the 5-5-5 tie yesterday. how did that even happen

[Grogu]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

[Epignosis]

[Grogu]

Is epi only allowed to post stories?

[Grogu]

He keeps talking about cho chop the dog and his adventures together wtf.
Is that code for something?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

[Grogu]

@Epignosis talk about me if you are trying to send us info

[Grogu]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

What mate?

[Grogu]

I don’t FPS. I say what I really feel

[Alison]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

I don't think Grogu is wolf to be honest. His tone is ultra pure, his immediate PR claim is unnecessary if he's a wolf (wolves have fake claims, but the earlier you claim the easier it is to get outed as a liar - see DOOM's early Westin soft for an example of this), and he has shown zero agenda in any of his posts.

[Alison]

Is the stuff about TSP meant to be a soft/claim that you tracked him? Or is it just a fancy way of saying you're suspicious of him?

[Urist]

@Grogu do you have any spicy info to claim or nah

[Grogu]

Lol am I the green devil creature? Lmao.
I do want to chop on chop chop’s heart. Or chomp that is.
I will eat his heart while you sleep epi.

[Grogu]

@Grogu do you have any spicy info to claim or nah

Mistakes were made... that is all.

[MartinGG99]

I kinda feel like this

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'm not settled though as I have more investigation to do.

Why does TSP vote Rej for shitty reasons if he's wolf and Chop is town? Doesn't he just go "nah I'm on Chop"? If Chop goes through he gets rid of the person scumreading him the most and nobody's gonna blame him for voting Chop - if Rej goes through, Rej flips town and Tony shrugs his shoulders and goes "see? I told you Chop was a better exe" - and from there he has a better position to convince people that Chop was saved and should be voted.

I'm not sure about that. Chop Chop is BoS if town, and as we (or I) figured out earlier, anyone on that wagon would have been sus because only scum factions need to kill him. Heck, maybe some of us such as me might've been town-spewed if Chop Chop was indeed chopped.

The Enclave could have also formulated a plan for D3, but that got cut off with the Nanook + Doom conflict.

Who would look really scummy for chopping a BoS? Tunneling and pushing them for three days straight. Nowadays Tony seems to just mention it occasionally as if its a significant sign of his contribution to the game state.

Chop was considered outed wolf by like, most people in the game (except a couple of players like Urist and Mac). If he flipped town, nobody looks scummy. They just shrug and go "yeah, Chop was scummy as fuck, what do you want from me". Even if Chop is town, I'm unconvinced there was any concerted effort to avoid the bad optics of being on his wagon - at least not on Day 2. Day 3 is more interesting, since the counterwagon is a wolf, so there's a lot more to read into and the optics are far worse.

I'm not sure if there was a concerted effort to kill him specifically at EoD and the latter 1/3rd of D2, which is roughly the time TSP stopped posting a lot about Chop. Though I didn't keep track when exactly the cw-becoming-main-wagon happened.

TSP also stopped (relatively speaking) massively pushing before I started harder defending Chop after comming into the thread. After that TSP's posting decreased, if you look at the timestamps (in my recent analysis of TSP's posts on Chop) of most of his posts beginning 14 hours before my post.

I would conjecture that town attitudes shifted somewhat as I started hard defending Chop, and its therefore possible the Enclave switched objectives especially if it found an easier ML and thought ChopChop optics were worse as compared to Rej's wagon optics, where of course there were quite literally no optics or takes given because of that wagon on EoD2. TSP just stayed on Chop for posturing's sake for his own slot.

ChopChop
4
17%
Voters: Kylemii, TonyStarkPrime, Alison, Sloonei

Rej
11
46%
Voters: KZA, Spacedaisy, MartinGG99, Marmot, Urist, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005, Grogu, staypositivefriend

[Urist]

poor choppity

[Grogu]

I am 100% sure chop chop killed sloon dude. Fyi

[Urist]

I am 100% sure chop chop killed sloon dude. Fyi

i feel like this is probably not accurate information

[MartinGG99]

Probably accurate enough for Grogu the FM padawan.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Grogu are you mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I feel like you might be mafia

[Jackofhearts2005]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

What mate?

An advantage to Doo playing with fps on the regular, making people assume that she was a townie fake claiming when she was counterclaimed (or whatever).

[Urist]

I feel like you might be mafia

p sure he's basically conftown

[Jackofhearts2005]

Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.

What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?

I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious

Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show

Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

I don't think Grogu is wolf to be honest. His tone is ultra pure, his immediate PR claim is unnecessary if he's a wolf (wolves have fake claims, but the earlier you claim the easier it is to get outed as a liar - see DOOM's early Westin soft for an example of this), and he has shown zero agenda in any of his posts.

What did Grogu claim ftr?

[MartinGG99]

Grogu is town.

He called Mac taking a wolfy poo.

Wow Mac is in this game? Where have you been?

In the bathroom doing a poo

Wolfy poo

(Which is hillarious to me because this is in a game by JJJ where JJJ had once in the past made a similar shit read in the past back in S7 G6 of the MU champs.)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I feel like you might be mafia

p sure he's basically conftown

Why

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac has been slanking in general. They say if you don’t go poop often enough, it’s bad for your health.

@MacDougall Try eating dried apricots so you can play more mafia.

[Urist]

I feel like you might be mafia

p sure he's basically conftown

Why

his watch of falcon to alison was confirmed by falcon, and the only scum watcher died n1
it's possible that he's the enclave tracker, but it's unlikely because he claimed LIME right from the start and there are no LIME trackers. seems unlikely at best.

[Urist]

it is still possible that grogu is the slaver, but that's not scum lel

[Alison]

idt the enclave tracker tracks falcon anyway

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I feel like you might be mafia

p sure he's basically conftown

Why

his watch of falcon to alison was confirmed by falcon, and the only scum watcher died n1
it's possible that he's the enclave tracker, but it's unlikely because he claimed LIME right from the start and there are no LIME trackers. seems unlikely at best.

Works for me, grogu welcome to the towncore

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall how did N3 go for ya

a something occurred

[MacDougall]

Mac has been slanking in general. They say if you don’t go poop often enough, it’s bad for your health.

@MacDougall Try eating dried apricots so you can play more mafia.

i do enjoy a good poo

[MacDougall]

I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.

they were widely pushing me because chop is his teammate

i assure you of this

[Gavial]

@Grogu

Ok so your doing 1 of 3 things right now.

1)Didn’t re-eval at all after the Made flip and just don’t care and want to get rid of me.
2)You place your vote on me and plan to explain your thoughts later/see how pressure towards me goes.
3)Your Wolf being Dumb

[Urist]

chopchop tell us the truth
did you kill slooneitunes

[Alison]

I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.

they were widely pushing me because chop is his teammate

i assure you of this

So what happened to your Chop townread

[Gavial]

Like I understand Nanook’s vote on me since he has been voting with Tony on me previously and highly TR’s Tony.

Tony is self explanatory because lol!tunnel

The only reason you voted me yesterday from my understanding is because you wanted to defend Made.

[Gavial]

chopchop tell us the truth
did you kill slooneitunes

No I was gonna message them this:
/Message Sloon

Congratulations!
You have won a Free Day Vig.
But ONLY and ONLY if you state all you have targeted during the nights in the public chat during today in this day phase.
IF and only IF you have target Alison you will receive an additional Day Vig.
BUT and only BUT if you vote Alison today, you will receive a Universal Janitor to go with it.

[Urist]

ehh it's late i'm leaving bye

[Gavial]

But yeah know, someone HAD to kill em!

[Urist]

chopchop tell us the truth
did you kill slooneitunes

No I was gonna message them this:
/Message Sloon

Congratulations!
You have won a Free Day Vig.
But ONLY and ONLY if you state all you have targeted during the nights in the public chat during today in this day phase.
IF and only IF you have target Alison you will receive an additional Day Vig.
BUT and only BUT if you vote Alison today, you will receive a Universal Janitor to go with it.

dang he probably would have fallen for that

[MacDougall]

i'm barely trying and looking forward to coasting off my interactions with Made for the rest of the game.

welcome to my life

[MacDougall]

I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.

they were widely pushing me because chop is his teammate

i assure you of this

So what happened to your Chop townread

a night thing that I ain't gonna say is what happened

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

you're just outed mafia at this point, there's no world in which you can have me as made or esooa's teammate

[Gavial]

I am 100% sure chop chop killed sloon dude. Fyi

I am 100% someone killed the guy I sent a message to and I’m pissed off my ability got wasted.