Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Epignosis]

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

One mistake in the beginning, I would argue.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't know why thread keeps locking, mods stop playing!

Probably my fault, since I had the post count records thing queued before it got locked.

[Alison]

Anyway thanks for the game everyone sorry the ending was lame. I did what I thought was optimal to secure victory and apologized to dunia that I wasn't more active, because I think this is the strategy I would adopt if I was a benign 3P like I was claiming to be also.

[Long Con]

I'll still support 3p in the future. No regrets.

[Justplayingitcool]

Congrats @Alison

I felt bad when I told tutuu not to accept and got [insert expletive]

im surprised only 5 mafia though. But we should have looked into ted trying so hard at the end

[Hyena]

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

[Dyslexicon]

Both a great and greatly stupid game! We love.

My no yeet plan would’ve worked. =p

[nutella]

Some new stuff for the site record books.

Highest combined post count for any single game ever.

tutuu had the highest single game post count ever.

JPIC had the 3rd-highest single game post count ever.

Michelle lands 6th I believe.

10 players overall with 1,000+ posts, which I believe more than doubles the total instances of 1,000 post games in site history (or at least it's close).

yeah what's really funny about this is alison solo winning having barely posted compared to everyone else lol 3p gonna 3p

[Made]

inb4 it was alison all along

ooooooof

well played sis

[hollowkatt]

Not to say I told you so, but I fucking told you so.
Town completing scums wincon by sacrificing.

Sorry for not screaming louder about it.

Congrats @Alison

GG Dizzy, it was a masterpiece watching you get there today!
Thanks to all y'all for a great game, and I told you, Tim was town ;-)
Don't doubt the God Read

[Justplayingitcool]

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

maybe if we no yeeted

[Alison]

I will say that this game was interesting because it involved me making heavy use of two tactics that I almost never use as scum: hard afking for long stretches of time and lots of AtE. I do think it demonstrates why sentiment has no place in a game of deception and Dizzy was right to say that town shouldn't be letting a 3P win just out of gratitude or emotion when it might sabotage their own win condition.

[hollowkatt]

rest in peace

GG and WP Alison!

[dunya]

If dizzy had died, Alison would not have won today. If any bargainee had died or tutuu not accepted the deal.

[Justplayingitcool]

If i get yeeted i just wanna say i appoint JPIC as town leader, i think he is town and his reads are extremely logical and make sense and there is a ton of insight and i think hes massively underrated since he doensnt have the reputation of some of the other players but dont sleep on JPIC he definitely knows whats up

thank you for this. it made me feel better about myself!

[dunya]

No yeet would have resulted in a town loss too.

[Alison]

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

Yes, you could have voted Michelle and had her switch the poll to me. I redirect votes, not polls.

[Dyslexicon]

I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

[Alison]

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

maybe if we no yeeted

No exe only works if Dizzy blocks me and convinces town that scum didn't holster (ie. that I am scum).

Or, well, tutuu not accepting the deal, exeing a bargainee, those things would have delayed me from winning and potentially allowed town to get there on the last day.

[Syn]

I don't feel bad about losing this game with all those conditions on Alison's ability and her being gifted the night kill after we wiped the wolves. I don't want to start believing "always chop 3P" as a genuine tactic for the future either. Good game to Alison. You played it right.

[Dyslexicon]

No yeet would have resulted in a town loss too.

Not if Tutu didn’t accept.

[Alison]

I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

If I was town there I would accept the bargain and turbo the 3P the next day without mercy. And I would be incredibly aggressive/outraged if town didn't do that.

[Hyena]

Is there a DVC, or did I destroy the chance of there ever being one with my role?

[Justplayingitcool]

I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

it probably makes sense now actually. 5 mafia and two evil third parties

7 out of 27. roughly 25% non-town which is usually how much it is

[Hyena]

I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

If I was town there I would accept the bargain and turbo the 3P the next day without mercy. And I would be incredibly aggressive/outraged if town didn't do that.

I would have helped you. I was pisssssed that people didn't want to chop you D1.

[Alison]

I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

[Sloonei]

[MartinGG99]

idk about all you guys but....

[Justplayingitcool]

oh well, i had fun

[hollowkatt]

I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

Yeah, that's probably a good general plan

[MartinGG99]

HECK YESSSSS I WAS RIGHT ON MY TOWNREADS

[Alison]

I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

[Justplayingitcool]

Some new stuff for the site record books.

Highest combined post count for any single game ever.

tutuu had the highest single game post count ever.

JPIC had the 3rd-highest single game post count ever.

Michelle lands 6th I believe.

10 players overall with 1,000+ posts, which I believe more than doubles the total instances of 1,000 post games in site history (or at least it's close).

I accept cash as a prize

[MartinGG99]

gg everyone

[Alison]

I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

Yeah, that's probably a good general plan

Yeah town should pretty much ~never help 3Ps out unless it really really benefits them for seriously low risk. Open setups might work for this scenario, maybe. Closed setups, never.

[dunya]

Is there a DVC, or did I destroy the chance of there ever being one with my role?

No players in there tho

https://discord.gg/BEVwX3JKez

[Dyslexicon]

I will say that this game was interesting because it involved me making heavy use of two tactics that I almost never use as scum: hard afking for long stretches of time and lots of AtE. I do think it demonstrates why sentiment has no place in a game of deception and Dizzy was right to say that town shouldn't be letting a 3P win just out of gratitude or emotion when it might sabotage their own win condition.

I guess I’m as anti-sentimental when it comes to games as you. =p

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

[Justplayingitcool]

We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

[Alison]

On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

[Made]

I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

I'm not sure. Like if you were telling the truth, it would of been optimal play I think. Big if in a closed setup game, but still. Like if you could of won with town, then bringing you to lylo/mylo is always good for a strong town.

The issue I think was the trust and assumptions town made of the set up

[Syn]

oh yeah

jack/tsp

was that a mod kill? like legit?

if so I kinda feel like that was my fault since I'm the one who pointed out the quoting...

[Justplayingitcool]

I am a bit salty about the modkill tbh

[Sloonei]

Wait til you guys see how dedicated our plan was in scum chat.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

Yeah we had way bigger problems to worry about with NKs than you lolol

[Alison]

I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

I'm not sure. Like if you were telling the truth, it would of been optimal play I think. Big if in a closed setup game, but still. Like if you could of won with town, then bringing you to lylo/mylo is always good for a strong town.

The issue I think was the trust and assumptions town made of the set up

Well optimal play would be to drag me as late as possible to squeeze max value out of my bargains and then exe me the moment before I won.

[Dyslexicon]

I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

[Sloonei]

On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

We were full on rooting for you by Day 3.

[Dyslexicon]

BUT more importantly, wtf happened to Wilgy’s result??? -=p

[Alison]

Wait til you guys see how dedicated our plan was in scum chat.

Dunia told me it was private