Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Marmot]

Or martin is the real slaver and just needs to chop the BoS boy ChopChop.

[sprityo]

I read all of day 5 while at work today. Aside from the shenanigans i just glanced over above me, i didnt like alison at all the beginning of the day. but then she disappeared. Why are you voting jack, Epi and @Urist ?

Also what was all the shouting about BoS near the EOD?

[sprityo]

Other than that I think I have a fairly minimal position on the thread and want to hear out Martin's deal he's claiming to be

[MartinGG99]

Like, I'm not getting off his case until someone proves a mechanic that would prove my mechanical info wrong.

I made double-sure to know what my role does. If it failed somehow in checking alison as slaver then whoever was in that BTSC is a fairly good Alison impersonator, and not only that but Alison in the thread reacted according as if it had occured.

[MartinGG99]

Additionally their reactions and statements in that BTSC were becoming of a Slaver mindset; even suggesting for us to go to F3 so we can just instantly win together if that was possible.

They didn't realize the BTSC was 1 day only though, and I told them that. Still though, it was an interesting suggestion.

[MartinGG99]

Heck them trying to sheep me so much was probably them trying to signal to me of sticking to that plan.

[Marmot]

Alison has certainly played this game as I would expect from her as 3P

[MartinGG99]

I also said this on D2.

Epignosis has to be Enclave if he's a deep wolf. Otherwise only way he's scum is if there's an individual town sub-faction wincon against him.

I won't be immediately explaining how I got that mech info.

I was 100% confident in this information with exception to any mechanical interference such as a n1 role-block.

[Marmot]

Actually, the incentive that Chop has to lie as mafia is that confirming Alison, even as Slaver, makes her completely unyeetable.

[MartinGG99]

This isn't something that I planned recently like scum might've

this is my fucking life story right here

[Marmot]

You and your plans... I'm just winging it here.

[Seanzie]

Sorry, I am missing part of the story. Has Chop Chop claimed something? And if so, what have they claimed their role has done thus far?

[Marmot]

Sorry, I am missing part of the story. Has Chop Chop claimed something? And if so, what have they claimed their role has done thus far?

ChopChop claimed Luke, after admitting on Day 2 that he sent a message to Spacedaisy (after Daisy announced it in the thread)

[Kylemii]

You forgot to include the aspect that Chop Chop admitting to visiting a dead player and a player that was probably attacked.

Then that is all correct.

this new part confuses me

[MartinGG99]

Sorry, I am missing part of the story. Has Chop Chop claimed something? And if so, what have they claimed their role has done thus far?

They claimed Luke of the Brotherhood of Steel since D2. They sent a message to Space Daisy on n1 as I said in my summary to you earlier.

We held off on him for the most part because he was the only known BoS, and there's garunteed 1 player of each faction.

However, Kyle appears to be Matt of the BoS. That, and the fact that Chop Chop just lied about his faction spy attempt makes him quite likely to be the Enclave messenger role. Unless Epignosis lied about targeting alison.

Chop Chop also used his 2nd message on Sloonei the night he died, and faction-spied Epignosis the night Epignosis probably was attacked.

[MartinGG99]

You forgot to include the aspect that Chop Chop admitting to visiting a dead player and a player that was probably attacked.

Then that is all correct.

this new part confuses me

It's not really new.

Chop Chop admitted to messaging Sloonei the night Sloon died, and he recently admitted to faction-spying Epignosis.

Urist earlier said he saved Epignosis from last night's attack. Add two and two together, and its likely Chop Chop has been carrying the Enclave kills as of late.

[Seanzie]

Sorry, I am missing part of the story. Has Chop Chop claimed something? And if so, what have they claimed their role has done thus far?

ChopChop claimed Luke, after admitting on Day 2 that he sent a message to Spacedaisy (after Daisy announced it in the thread)

And Luke really does look like VP Daniel Bird's fakeclaim... [VOTE: Chop Chop] aubergine

[Marmot]

Remember on Day 1 when I wanted to yeet ChopChop and you told me not to Martin? :P

[MartinGG99]

OMFG!
How TF is Alison not Slaver!

Who did you target @ChopChop

EPiggy

here he just admitted visit Epignosis

TF Scum, I just wasted my last message on Sloon.
Why would you kill someone like Sloon?
Honestly, this game is stupid.

chopchop tell us the truth
did you kill slooneitunes

No I was gonna message them this:
/Message Sloon

Congratulations!
You have won a Free Day Vig.
But ONLY and ONLY if you state all you have targeted during the nights in the public chat during today in this day phase.
IF and only IF you have target Alison you will receive an additional Day Vig.
BUT and only BUT if you vote Alison today, you will receive a Universal Janitor to go with it.

On D4 he admits to messaging Sloonei.

[MartinGG99]

And urist at start of today's day phase said he saved Epignosis.

[Marmot]

How is Urist saving Epi related?

[Kylemii]

why does chop do any of that stuff if he's mafia though

[Kylemii]

@ChopChop plz just settle this are you enclave? we promise we won't be mad

[MartinGG99]

why does chop do any of that stuff if he's mafia though

why does he get mech information against him such as this if he's BoS though

[Marmot]

Actually, the incentive that Chop has to lie as mafia is that confirming Alison, even as Slaver, makes her completely unyeetable.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dom
7
35%
Voters: Urist, Kylemii, MartinGG99, Long Con, Marmot, Alison, TonyStarkPrime

Long Con
2
10%
Voters: Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005

reywaS / Kylemii
1
5%
Voters: Dom

TonyStarkPrime
2
10%
Voters: ChopChop, Syn

To save you the trouble @TonyStarkPrime

Thank you sir

[Seanzie]

If Sloonei and Epi were both Enclave NKs, Chop Chop maybe said he targeted them because he carried the factional kill, so in case he was tracked, he is getting ahead of it with a viable explanation.

[TonyStarkPrime]

just going to [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine until i see a claim

So let me get this straight.

You save Epignosis from a night-kill. Yesterday Epignosis was stating to not kill Kyle.

Now you're voting kyle for a claim.

Do you think you actually saved him or not and Enclave just hit a person with a vest?

kyle was saved from being executed yesterday because he crumbed the masonizer. if nobody claims to be masonized then i think it's fair for him to die today yeah

ftr the Masonizer is BoS and if he’s that I won’t be happy

[Marmot]

If Sloonei and Epi were both Enclave NKs, Chop Chop maybe said he targeted them because he carried the factional kill, so in case he was tracked, he is getting ahead of it with a viable explanation.

That's a really good take.

[MartinGG99]

Rip Tony's gonna be unhappy.

[Marmot]

just going to [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine until i see a claim

So let me get this straight.

You save Epignosis from a night-kill. Yesterday Epignosis was stating to not kill Kyle.

Now you're voting kyle for a claim.

Do you think you actually saved him or not and Enclave just hit a person with a vest?

kyle was saved from being executed yesterday because he crumbed the masonizer. if nobody claims to be masonized then i think it's fair for him to die today yeah

ftr the Masonizer is BoS and if he’s that I won’t be happy

heh

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is my role.

Louis Salvatore

You're the don of the Salvatore crime family residing at the bar named for you in Reno. You don't have quite the manpower of the Mordinos or Bishops, but your people are armed with powerful laser weapons that more than equalize the playing field.

You're a 2-shot role thief. Your people maintain secretive contact with the Enclave for arms purchases, though you still view them as the enemy. Twice during the game during any night phase, you may select a role ability listed for any member of the Enclave faction other than Charles Curling, Frank Horrigan, or Quincy and use it as described. If an ability relates to an irrelevant mechanic such as a factional night kill, that aspect will be useless to you. This will not take shots away from the Enclave themselves.

I copied the Communication Officer's conditional neighborhizer on N1 and N2.

N1 I targeted Epignosis.

N2 I targeted Alison and got a BTSC for D3 only.

To me Alison was likely outed scum as imo she was very heavily hinting, like overly hinting, on her Eldridge claim. She functions on a "mechanically optimal" mindset imo so it was quite clear to me she was scum or slaver. As slaver she 100% would use the town-optimal play (imo). And since Rej died as New Reno...I had to double check. And since Vault City died...she's 100% slaver.


UNLESS EPIGNOSIS LIED ABOUT TARGETING ALISON

CHOP CHOP LIED ABOUT HER BEING NOT-SLAVER.

Damn I got one right

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alison has certainly played this game as I would expect from her as 3P

(Subtext behind reality)

[TonyStarkPrime]

Remember on Day 1 when I wanted to yeet ChopChop and you told me not to Martin? :P

hey how do you think I feel

[TonyStarkPrime]

Rip Tony's gonna be unhappy.

I was hoping someone would track him or something but this works too

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay but I’m actually unhappy about Kyle because @Marmot the reason I pressed him to claim, even alignment, even after he started crumbing that was because the BoS thing

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: chopchop] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

Sigh. I sincerely thought the guy was going to be a very hard read in the future if he's scum this game.

I just didn't want him to be scum. But he is and apparently I shouldn't underestimate that guy.

He just did some things not here that felt like it was genuine to me with his motivation of a new playstyle in this game and I just got fooled by it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Now also we started another day with two people claiming mech on chop and somehow it didn’t work then so :P

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sigh. I sincerely thought the guy was going to be a very hard read in the future if he's scum this game.

I just didn't want him to be scum. But he is and apparently I shouldn't underestimate that guy.

He just did some things not here that felt like it was genuine to me with his motivation of a new playstyle in this game and I just got fooled by it.

Scumread him if he scum slips in thread and gets stuck in anti spew for the rest of the game?

[MartinGG99]

Not that we discussed this game anywhere, but I had other recent ongoing games in the past with him.

[MartinGG99]

I sincerely thought he was that stupid to get stuck on TSP and Alison,

but maybe I'm just the mostly stupid one. But hey, I'll improve in the future. Hopefully.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I do have to take a second and wonder if I’m being tricked

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nah

[Urist]

Heck them trying to sheep me so much was probably them trying to signal to me of sticking to that plan.

so alison was signaling after all, chopchop is a genius

[TonyStarkPrime]

Epignosis
Grogu
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Marmot
MartinGG99
Poison / Syn / Seanzie



I’d bet the game and 20 dollars on being town:
Daisy
Epi
Kyle
Martin
TSP
Urist

(Alison)

POE:
Grogu
LC
Jack
Marmot
Sean

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oops I left my copy paste at the top :P

[TonyStarkPrime]

Anyways without Alison we only need to clear one person from POE

[Grogu]

Epignosis
Grogu
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Marmot
MartinGG99
Poison / Syn / Seanzie



I’d bet the game and 20 dollars on being town:
Daisy
Epi
Kyle
Martin
TSP
Urist

(Alison)

POE:
Grogu
LC
Jack
Marmot
Sean

So I’m POE and chop isn’t?

[Grogu]

Heck them trying to sheep me so much was probably them trying to signal to me of sticking to that plan.

so alison was signaling after all, chopchop is a genius

Signal what?