Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[falcon45ca]

put me on your locktown list for a good time

That's mildly suggestive young lady. Do your parents know you're behaving this way?

I don't speak Russian, but that dancing def looks like something even I could do

I want to see that

The dancing or me not speaking Russian? I can only do 1 at a time

Does this mean that every moment you're not dancing, you are speaking Russian?

I cannot speak Russian, but my dancing is 3X better than my Russian language skills

[JaggedJimmyJay]

how am i meant to reconcile jay saying sloonei is a villager and mac saying he’s not? they know sloonei equally well but don’t have the same read

jay and mac, maybe try to hash this out between yourselves?

All respect to Mac, but I read Sloonei a thousand times better than he does.

[Sloonei]

how am i meant to reconcile jay saying sloonei is a villager and mac saying he’s not? they know sloonei equally well but don’t have the same read

jay and mac, maybe try to hash this out between yourselves?

mac literally says i'm scum in every game. This isn't me memeing or being snarky. In every game that we play together, I am a scum read for him.

[Hally]

oh, really? that’s surprising. i would think mac would have a good read on sloonei

[Hally]

okay, nevermind then. i’ll defer to jay

[Hally]

this might actually be the first game i’ve played with both of you together? kinda weird if so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the Sloonei/Jay/Mac triad works this way:

Sloonei reads Jay better than Mac reads Jay.
Sloonei reads Mac better than Jay reads Mac. This one’s probably close.
Jay reads Sloonei better than Mac reads Sloonei.

Maybe Mac gets more credit here if we add dunya.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

[Hally]

i wish dunya could have played. i haven’t played with her since my first game here i think

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

My Day 0 suspicion has vanished. She's not a concern right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i am off work if anyone wants to chat about certain reads!

i will be mostly giving my brain a break from this game tonight, though. i did not realize that the thread would be open during the night and i like having that time to recharge & pull myself away from the game

could you give me just a quick sorting of names? i’m curious how much my vague impressions line up with your view of the game

sure - my very quick GTH sorting of the playerlist looks something like this:

town:
jaggedjimmyjay
alison
oddmerta
strawhenge
macdougall

lean town:
sloonei
falcon
esooa

lean-town-with-less-confidence-than-the-previous-tier:
bo knows
hally
JPIC

neutral:
nanook
fingersplints
dom
michelle

wolfy:
long con
kza
TSP
Ai Sama
tedextr

it's worth noting that:

-the revelation that we're in multiball is making me re-assess my reads in general. i have some minor concern about falcon. i want to re-evaluate sloonei/esooa to make sure that i didn't clear either of them too easily. even so, i feel relatively decent about the names in the top two tiers containing mostly villagers

i think it's likely that most of the wolves in this game are in the bottom two tiers of this list, and the rest are hidden in the upper 3

how did I go from no read no read no read to wolfy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

My Day 0 suspicion has vanished. She's not a concern right now.

Does the discovery of two mafia teams have any immediate impact upon your conception of the game and/or your reads?

[TonyStarkPrime]

tell me about falcon

[Michelle]

@Marmot [Joe Bulo] has been eliminated.

"Management says acquire the territory, we acquire it. Whether that's cash down or sending bodies to the morgue, that's up to the Krauts"
Joe Bulo

[Passive] - The frontman for the Kansas City Mafia northern expansion, Joe’s bringing a Walmart mentality to small-town America. As the new face of corporate crime, Joe doesn't get his own hands dirty. He scans as [Innocent] to cops. [Redacted]. He is immune to any other actions as long as one of his enforcers is alive.
--- [Joe Bullo Says Hi] - Factional kills performed by him are upgraded to a super-kill. [1-shot]

[Passive] - Joe runs a tight ship. If one of his men puts his operation in jeopardy, he doesn't hesitate in taking their arms or their tongues. If one of his underlings dies, he may redistribute their abilities to another one or use them himself.

[Active] - As the specialist in negotiations of his team, Joe may each day invite a player for a chat the following night. They will gain a private chat during the night phase, and he will learn their flavor name at the end of it. If he chats with the same player twice, he will learn their full role.
--- [Cease-Fire] - Any player currently in a chat with Joe will have their actions fail if they target one of his team.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to the Kansas City Mafia

Night 1 starts.
You have 23 hours to submit your actions (if any).

Well, that's cool

Morning everyone

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

My Day 0 suspicion has vanished. She's not a concern right now.

Does the discovery of two mafia teams have any immediate impact upon your conception of the game and/or your reads?

For the moment, only in the general sense that a multiball game will unfold differently than a standard game. No specific reads are impacted yet, because I have not done any work since this information became available to us.

[Michelle]

Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

Explain me Alison please
And Mac

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tell me about falcon

Just seems obvious to me. I’ll look at Marmot interactions to be thorough, but as of right this moment that’s not a slot that concerns me at all. From the word go he’s been Doing Town Things. He has griped at very personal suspicions without regard for consensus, he has pushed them to his own heart’s desire, and he hasn’t given a damn. He’s been a wordier Oddmerta, perhaps.

[staypositivefriend]

i am off work if anyone wants to chat about certain reads!

i will be mostly giving my brain a break from this game tonight, though. i did not realize that the thread would be open during the night and i like having that time to recharge & pull myself away from the game

could you give me just a quick sorting of names? i’m curious how much my vague impressions line up with your view of the game

sure - my very quick GTH sorting of the playerlist looks something like this:

town:
jaggedjimmyjay
alison
oddmerta
strawhenge
macdougall

lean town:
sloonei
falcon
esooa

lean-town-with-less-confidence-than-the-previous-tier:
bo knows
hally
JPIC

neutral:
nanook
fingersplints
dom
michelle

wolfy:
long con
kza
TSP
Ai Sama
tedextr

it's worth noting that:

-the revelation that we're in multiball is making me re-assess my reads in general. i have some minor concern about falcon. i want to re-evaluate sloonei/esooa to make sure that i didn't clear either of them too easily. even so, i feel relatively decent about the names in the top two tiers containing mostly villagers

i think it's likely that most of the wolves in this game are in the bottom two tiers of this list, and the rest are hidden in the upper 3

how did I go from no read no read no read to wolfy

you asking me this question made me realize that i don't have any specific grievances with you. you are probably closer to null than wolfy. i have consistently failed to find reasons to townread you beyond highly specific and probably inaccurate impressions of your meta, and most of your posts just go right through me

also, you have me in your POE

[staypositivefriend]

@jagged -

if you will indulge me in a moment of ego/self-absorption, what do you think are the primary factors that have prevented you from being able to confidently townread me in this game? what are you searching for that you have not found? i am especially curious about this because of how quickly you found me during champs, but i know the context and levels of effort were radically different

ive concluded that youre locktown regardless so your answer will realistically have no bearing on how i read you, but im interested nonetheless

[Sloonei]

Would TSP hint at the multiball setup unprovoked on Day 0 if he was mafia with direct knowledge of the setup?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

Explain me Alison please
And Mac

Both reads can be described similarly. They’ve portrayed the right sort of town-oriented mindsets, played to them, and in one way or another each contributed something to the thread climate that resulted in Marmot’s destruction. They’re going to resolve themselves. If they don’t, we worry about that later. Probably much later.

[TonyStarkPrime]

jay making a list of all the 1000+ single posters was the worst mistake you've ever made

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@jagged -

if you will indulge me in a moment of ego/self-absorption, what do you think are the primary factors that have prevented you from being able to confidently townread me in this game? what are you searching for that you have not found? i am especially curious about this because of how quickly you found me during champs, but i know the context and levels of effort were radically different

ive concluded that youre locktown regardless so your answer will realistically have no bearing on how i read you, but im interested nonetheless

The primary factor is probably presence. You suggested earlier that you feel like you’ve posted more than you have. To my eyes, you’ve posted about as much as it feels like you’ve posted. That’s not some critical problem, but it reflects the space remaining in my brain for SPF to be mafia. It’s a “range” thing. I don’t actively suspect you to any meaningful degree or feel like you’re A Concern. But when the standard prompted is “bet the game on them” — not quite there.

Keep doing your thing and I think we’ll be fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay making a list of all the 1000+ single posters was the worst mistake you've ever made

I had better die before I make another appearance

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Would TSP hint at the multiball setup unprovoked on Day 0 if he was mafia with direct knowledge of the setup?

I don’t think that’s a sort of wifom I’m going to mess with. “Could be”

TSP’s insights about how people handled All That initially would be interesting to hear though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Would TSP hint at the multiball setup unprovoked on Day 0 if he was mafia with direct knowledge of the setup?

Maybe

[Hally]

nook, what are your reads?

[Alison]

I could see mafia TSP fishing for anyone who appears to have TMI that the setup is multiball while maintaining plausibly deniability with the "it's a flavor thing" defense. Fishing for information he rightfully shouldn't have is a move I associate with scum TSP.

[staypositivefriend]

@jagged -

if you will indulge me in a moment of ego/self-absorption, what do you think are the primary factors that have prevented you from being able to confidently townread me in this game? what are you searching for that you have not found? i am especially curious about this because of how quickly you found me during champs, but i know the context and levels of effort were radically different

ive concluded that youre locktown regardless so your answer will realistically have no bearing on how i read you, but im interested nonetheless

The primary factor is probably presence. You suggested earlier that you feel like you’ve posted more than you have. To my eyes, you’ve posted about as much as it feels like you’ve posted. That’s not some critical problem, but it reflects the space remaining in my brain for SPF to be mafia. It’s a “range” thing. I don’t actively suspect you to any meaningful degree or feel like you’re A Concern. But when the standard prompted is “bet the game on them” — not quite there.

Keep doing your thing and I think we’ll be fine.

cool, thanks for explaining your perspective. i feel that i have an inflated sense of my own presence because i've been doing a lot of thinking about this game, but i don't always translate those thoughts to actual posts

[Sloonei]

There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

Has anyone been so bold yet as to suggest that maybe this was a lie?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nook, what are your reads?

Mostly same as they have been, hally Joseph Jay sloonei Michelle bo town

Still masoning with spf afaik

If I believed in scumreads I'd be scumreasing tsp still. Probably kza too, not sure


If it's multiball I have to consider jay and sloonei are doing a goc 2019 revival but I don't wanna

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

Has anyone been so bold yet as to suggest that maybe this was a lie?

I thought it was at first, but I think “Kansas City Mafia” is a pretty good clue.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I could see mafia TSP fishing for anyone who appears to have TMI that the setup is multiball while maintaining plausibly deniability with the "it's a flavor thing" defense. Fishing for information he rightfully shouldn't have is a move I associate with scum TSP.

This is basically what I was thinking when I said maybe except much more eloquent and useful

[tedxtr]

i think i'll be voting marmot over al

I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?

@tedxtr

please explain this when you get the chance

idk if it's intentional or not but you're already misrepresenting me by a huge ton

when EoD approached - i got actually good points instead of "he's slanking" that I even agreed with. I admitted one of my main reasons for him being town (which can be tracked - i put it in the tl;dr version) could've been a reach when I talked with JJJ. I didn't like how marmot appeared to be defeated at EoD and felt like the PoE argument (marmot having entirely different takes from the thread and yet still acting unconcerned) was tons better than anything going itt.

I did not vote al because I felt like he was closer to rand than marmot, simple as that. his interpretation of me wasn't really wrong either - i am a pretty big factor behind most pushes on our main site, but my meta on here is entirely different - and even though everyone voted for him at EoD, I've acknowledged the possibility of him being still pretty =rand as opposed to marmot. The stars could've aligned for him, but even though he popped in to vote for me - he had more reason to do so than to vote for Marmot.

[Sloonei]

There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

Has anyone been so bold yet as to suggest that maybe this was a lie?

I thought it was at first, but I think “Kansas City Mafia” is a pretty good clue.

As do I. But I won't call it rock solid evidence either.

[MacDougall]

Alison baiting the shit out of the NK lol

Im fucking dead

[tedxtr]

idk how i could be possibly read as mafia with marmot - if I wanted to go down the route of falling flat on my nose after consciously deciding to protect a team mate for bad reasons, I would probably never back down

it's just not how I play as a wolf, but ymmv.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If we're making host reads id probably bet on a smaller high power mafia team and 1 or 2 indies over multiball

But that's not a confident host read

[JaggedJimmyJay]

idk how i could be possibly read as mafia with marmot - if I wanted to go down the route of falling flat on my nose after consciously deciding to protect a team mate for bad reasons, I would probably never back down

it's just not how I play as a wolf, but ymmv.

I will continue listening to what you have to say. If you’re not a Marmoteer, you have a premium opportunity to figure out who is. You get to skip one of the top suspects (you)!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Then again the flavor reads like multiball so idk

[tedxtr]

KZA - your start of the game was to act like a "mediator" / pacifier whatever, as in I felt like you were helping people "get the right reads" or having the good foundation for them / being aware of the facts idk

it wasn't anything too big - i asked fellow canucksians to give their reads on you just so I know if I should worry or not.

[tedxtr]

if people bothered to think when looking into my iso instead of spending time making memes about me flipping wolf it would be a greater world

I come to EoD with 15 minutes left just to "get cred" and bus on marmot over voting for AL who I had no read on and I could just omgus - since at least a few people seemed to think he was scummy anyway

[Justplayingitcool]

JPIC I hope you know that if ted flips red you are next on the chopping block due to that attempt to clear ted.

Ok

[TonyStarkPrime]

setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

why are you on a relatively small mafia team?

I have only seen the film and the first season of the show. So I have no flavor speculation.

Odd. Has anyone asked or mentioned flavour speculation?

TonyStarkPrime seems sus *Vote TSP*

Setup spec on the game being multi ball is the same as flavour spec based off knowledge of the film & series? Since when?


Is this an idea you guys tossed about in Maf chat, but forgot to fully flesh out?


Cuz I don't see how TSP asks about multi ball, and Sloon replies re: flavour spec, and the 2 are lock step on the issue so quickly.

setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

I bet mafia-aligned players are more likely to conceive of this by page two than civilians are. How about THAT?

Im town and i thought the same (as tony)

To someone without deep knowledge of the setup or the Fargo theme, there would seem to be two available theories about why someone else would immediately speculate about multiball:

1) That someone is on a mafia team and has some unique insight indicating that it's possible.

2) Fargo as a theme presents some unique structure that could be appropriate for multiball.

I don't fault Sloonei for his interpretation, and it seems evident Tony is familiar with the theme. So #2 is fine.

I can think of one more reason

TSP is either a TMI machine as mafia or he is town. Everyone else was skeptical about my claim but he said immediately and confidently he knew I was town; he also asked if it was multiball out of the blue, and heavily implied that he had reason to do so when pressed on why.

So either TSP is making some serious scum errors or he has a role that gives him setup information (which is townie). I think the latter is more likely than the former.

setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

god please no

esooa's reaction to the potentiality of the game being multiball precludes her from being on a team in a multiball world

No it does not

Why are we in a multiball world now

Not pictured: straw asking what multiball is. Probably towny.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I would say two names look bad here and the rest look good.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If we're making host reads id probably bet on a smaller high power mafia team and 1 or 2 indies over multiball

But that's not a confident host read

I would say if Marmot had flipped Gerhardt I would have agreed with this assessment

[TonyStarkPrime]

My assessment overall is that wolves would be inclined to think that the fact that I shared this info would make me >>rand likely to be on the other wolf team. This makes me inclined to do what I love to do and scum read people who scum read me

[TonyStarkPrime]

Especially at the beginning when I float it with absolutely no reasoning

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would say two names look bad here and the rest look good.

You know my next question.