Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Justplayingitcool]

i hate the bk drunk posting

[Michelle]

I don't trust Michelle anymore after that stunt but we have to roll with it because if either her or Ted flip red they are done

Can I know why did you trust me before?
Calling stunt my claim smh

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Al-Sama] aubergine

let's have a look at this

then michelle, spf and i go for al

feel cute might bury tony idk

then this

this is fine.

^after falcon made the tie breaking move

damn rip tony

someone shoot al

the flip didn't even happen by this point

w a t

Tony was the chop of the day at the moment of the last post.

after all it looks like someone fine with 2 people dying but not knowing which one should go first

the thing that threw me for a loop was the "damn rip tony" when you said you'd be voting for him previously

but otherwise it looks normal

[tedxtr]

it doesn't mean anything because it's not singleball

if it was singleball then that reaction would've meant something

i was just sorta confused at it, is all

[Justplayingitcool]

So it's agreed. Falcon is tomorrow's chop.

Why falcon over Al?

[Justplayingitcool]

so bo is a villager. that’s good

Why is he a villager?

[Michelle]

a quick thought:

if we live in a world where the POE is primarily inaccurate (like, let's say that 3/4 of tonystarkprime/tedextr/nanook/al_sama are villagers), then falcon mostly accurately fits the role of someone who signal boosted the consensus without going out of his way to push on anyone in particular. if falcon is a wolf then his play today allowed him to lead us down a bad direction while still keeping his hands clean. i'm thinking of posts like https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p765418, where falcon agreed with the TSP/ted chops without stating a preference

i am still undecided on falcon's alignment, but i wanted to voice this concern now

[tedxtr]

Probably not kansas city

Hally - mason reads + his interactions with tutuu

Michelle - lack claire

BoKnows - looks like he spewed him town, but i guess this is the thinnest read

SPF - marmot had the weird w/w read in tutuu and spf, spf buried him in return

KZA - mac had a point about marmot pushing him because he thought he was a wolf and ended up town reading him after all + iirc kza voted for marmot

Alison - captain phasma (yep we're in star wars now, at least until i remember what the actual name is)

[tedxtr]

Probably not kansas city

Hally - mason reads + his interactions with tutuu

Michelle - lack claire

BoKnows - looks like he spewed him town, but i guess this is the thinnest read

SPF - marmot had the weird w/w read in tutuu and spf, spf buried him in return

KZA - mac had a point about marmot pushing him because he thought he was a wolf and ended up town reading him after all + iirc kza voted for marmot

Alison - captain phasma (yep we're in star wars now, at least until i remember what the actual name is)

#kansasreads

for easy finding in the search bar

[tedxtr]

Someone tell Grandpa Strawhenge what multiball is, or is supposed to be.

It means there's two (or more) mafia teams.

Is this multiball?

if you're a wolf what are you gonna do, talk about certain information that is not revealed to villagers in the thread yet, just because...?

in the context of why would you talk about it with your team mates

guess i have a new thin addition to the list

[tedxtr]

AL
Jpic
fingersplints
LC
Sloonei
Nanook
falcon
Dom
Odd

pay no attention to me, doing my thang

[tedxtr]

any idea how many wolves could be in the two teams? someone mentioned 3-3

i have no clue how multiball ratio works

[Justplayingitcool]

any idea how many wolves could be in the two teams? someone mentioned 3-3

i have no clue how multiball ratio works

3-3 sounds like a fair ratio

[tedxtr]

wow, so i have to find 2 names in 9 names

such a draaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

[tedxtr]

you guys put in the work, i've done enough for my quota

i'm assuming i haven't miscleared anyone, if so then that's a big yikes

gonna update the list one more time

[tedxtr]

Probably not kansas city

Hally - mason reads + his interactions with tutuu

Michelle - lack claire

BoKnows - looks like he spewed him town, but i guess this is the thinnest read

SPF - marmot had the weird w/w read in tutuu and spf, spf buried him in return

KZA - mac had a point about marmot pushing him because he thought he was a wolf and ended up town reading him after all + iirc kza voted for marmot

Alison - captain phasma (yep we're in star wars now, at least until i remember what the actual name is)

Esooa - claimed some 3p treestump thing

Strawhenge - marmot asked him if the game was multiball early on, i see no reason for why wolves would be having that conversation that early and put themselves in awkward positions when they already know the answer.

#kansasreads

[tedxtr]

those are not in order, obviously

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME clear yourselves immediately

Are you gonna vig me if I don't?

Its wildly optimal for me not to actually have to claim yet, especially at night

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't agree with the read but I also don't like the way people just dismissed odd

Decidedly not a good vibes only moment

[Oddmerta]

Kansas City Mafia would be Joe Bulo, Mike Milligan, The Kitchen Brothers (1 role) and Simone Gerhardt

Gerhardt Family Crime Syndicate would be Floyd Gerhardt, Dodd Gerhardt and Simone Gerhardt

Notice how I included Simone Gerhardt in both mafia teams


After the two mafia factions we have to worry about Hanzee because there is no way novase runs this game without Hanzee in it. He will be a killer and he will be strong

[Oddmerta]

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME clear yourselves immediately

Are you gonna vig me if I don't?

Its wildly optimal for me not to actually have to claim yet, especially at night

Ok, try not to get mislynched tomorrow

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME clear yourselves immediately

Are you gonna vig me if I don't?

Its wildly optimal for me not to actually have to claim yet, especially at night

Ok, try not to get mislynched tomorrow

I won't be

[tedxtr]

what's the simone gerhardt thing? i assume it's a joke meant for people that know the plot

[Oddmerta]

Kansas City Mafia would be Joe Bulo, Mike Milligan, The Kitchen Brothers (1 role) and Simone Gerhardt

Gerhardt Family Crime Syndicate would be Floyd Gerhardt, Dodd Gerhardt and Simone Gerhardt

Notice how I included Simone Gerhardt in both mafia teams


After the two mafia factions we have to worry about Hanzee because there is no way novase runs this game without Hanzee in it. He will be a killer and he will be strong

Missing Bear Gerhardt, he will be in Gerhardt Crime family syndicate

[Oddmerta]

what's the simone gerhardt thing? i assume it's a joke meant for people that know the plot

It's no joke, my theory is on the two factions having a shared member. Simone Gerhardt fits the part flavour wise

[tedxtr]

yeah, upon checking Marmot's role, I see no reason for Al not to be aligned with him, it may actually be slightly w/w indicative

if al died, marmot could've used his abilities...and it's multiball. iirc marmot was the type of player to want to go deep and in this situation all he needed was al to go over, gain a few credit to live and keep on owning.

he was a godfather, he can use his team mates' abilities if he died, he's also a role cop

pretty nice role

[tedxtr]

what's the simone gerhardt thing? i assume it's a joke meant for people that know the plot

It's no joke, my theory is on the two factions having a shared member. Simone Gerhardt fits the part flavour wise

like a traitor? double-agent something?

[tedxtr]

yeah, upon checking Marmot's role, I see no reason for Al not to be aligned with him, it may actually be slightly w/w indicative

because al happened to be a "just there" target that could've reasonably swayed people off to move their votes to + he probably thought he was going to die at some point

and if he knows he flips scum then he gets to breathe for enough time, while the downside isn't really that bad. al wasn't posting, marmot can use his abilities...etc etc

the thing i'm reluctant about is that, knowing he's a godfather, he could've reasonably pushed anything / even me to die and hope to get checked and cleared. i assume that probably wasn't a thought of his at the time though and bussing someone when you can use their abilities in multiball seems like a better trade than that scenario, iyam. or at least, when you put these situations face to face at that point in time, bussing seems like a no-brainer.

[tedxtr]

it's still possible al could be a villager, but we just need to get him out imo

i don't think he's ever able to clear himself and there's a few reasons to believe he was a bus / he has equity to be on the other team due to the constant resistance to his wagon

[tedxtr]

because al happened to be a "just there" target that could've reasonably swayed people off to move their votes to + he probably thought he was going to die at some point

coincidentally, they both pop up at EoD, al ignores the wagon that he should have self-pressed on in favour of voting for me and ignores marmot's vote as well

it could all be circumstantial stuff, but i think it fits all too well

[Michelle]

who is dead?

Tony got chopped because Michelle told us she had mechanical info confirming Ted at the last minute, and for some reason people preferred to vote for Tony over al_sama.

brutal

Tbh Falcon decided the chop when he mooved from Al to Tony

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[Michelle]

fuck u douglas ford.

boknows is dropping truth bombs in the thread right now

bhyes

Imagine the keyboard, how is possible logically to make this typo?

[fingersplints]

Well that was an interesting read. Brought back a lot of memories of my drunken mafia shenanigans of 10 years ago.

[fingersplints]

from what i've read, the only fingersplints thing i didn't like was the fact that they were suspecting both me and LC, and when i was making points about LC being scum, they haven't interacted with me at all on them

I took some time off and since have spent the majority of my mafia time responding to others (mostly sloonei iirc) and had very little time for reacting to others cases. I’ll try and find them today, or if there are any specific parts you would like for me to read/address you can always bring them to my attention by quoting.

[Michelle]

Better late than never, a little dive in Marmot's iso

I'm p sure you claimed mafia essooaaa

I think this shows that Esooa is not in Marmot's team

Strawhenge, you're a grandpa now??? Congratulations!! I had no idea

Distance? Or just wifom?

@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Idk what to do with this post.

What'd I miss?

idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.

Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?

Gut says this is an AI interaction

i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads

falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa

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kza

Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.

Tutuu's list bothered Marmot. Doesn't look good for KZA ig

@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

Marmot asking for reasons for a town read for Sloonei and insisting in that direction is something agenda-y

Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

This interaction gives me w/w vibes

Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

do you consider vanilla a flavour?

I don't think we have vanilla players in this game

BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum

That's not a real shade here

@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

I doubt Marmot Iso-ed KZA, and the coloured text shows he was presenting a narrative.

I think i have to read more from this Iso but i have a headache who will make me do it very slow

[Strawhenge]

I took time away from the thread after EOD, but before I went to bed and after I woke up this morning, I had a persistent thought. The following exchange prompted me.

That is a disappointing result. I really thought I was on to something there.

To be fair, Tony didn't do himself many favors.

tony was playing the way he does every game. i honestly never understood why he was public enemy number #1 and i think lunching him over al was pretty bad but hindsight is 20/20

I’ve never played with Tony before, so I had no comparison.
Is there anyone who you think should have “known better” or any reason to think someone who voted him wasn’t genuine in their suspicion?

Fingersplints and I don't have experience with TSP. To us, he looked scummy. The Marmot thing alone, which fingersplints banked on, was enough. I recall @Hally saying that this is how TSP is, before the chop. I seem to recall others saying so as well, but I can't immediately recall. So my thought comes in the form of a question:

Who amongst us knew TSP's meta, saw people suspect, vote for, and ultimately chop him—and didn't say, 'That's just how Tony is'?

Bonus question: Who amongst us knew TSP's meta and didn't speak up, but spoke up about other people's meta?

[Esooa]

there is mechanically no way the two teams know eachother

that's just ridiculous

if their win cons don't align yet one person shares teams it would make no sense and just be way too confusing

if the win cons do align and then know eachother it's functionally not different teams

[Esooa]

that's with the assumption it's multiball

[KZA]

[VOTE: Al-Sama] aubergine

let's have a look at this

then michelle, spf and i go for al

feel cute might bury tony idk

then this

this is fine.

^after falcon made the tie breaking move

damn rip tony

someone shoot al

the flip didn't even happen by this point

w a t

I was fine with Tony until I decided I'd much prefer Al Sama

[KZA]

@KZA any reason you were so strong on the fact that troopers must be town aligned?

literally just flavour

I could elaborate but I'm spoiling the show then

[KZA]

eating an entire sandwich is not that hard

well this is my favourite post ever

[Hally]

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine

I want to stick my neck out and say this is an ok look for falcon?

If we assume both wagons are town (Al & TSP) then why would falcon ever make this switch? He can stay right where he is.

Similarly, if Al is mafia then what mafia partner/or mafia on the other team would go out of their way to switch like that right at the last second to make themselves immediately obvious? Of course, this argument could be countered by WIFOM. It's not completely impossible but I think the scenario that falcon is town and had a change of heart is more likely.

@falcon45ca why did you switch your vote at EoD?

[Hally]

i hate the bk drunk posting

what was wrong with it?

[Justplayingitcool]

i hate the bk drunk posting

what was wrong with it?

Felt incredibly fake and cliche

[Hally]

it's still possible al could be a villager, but we just need to get him out imo

i don't think he's ever able to clear himself and there's a few reasons to believe he was a bus / he has equity to be on the other team due to the constant resistance to his wagon

i agree

[KZA]

BoKnows is trapped in Ontario we can't consider his drunk posting an issue imo

[Hally]

I took time away from the thread after EOD, but before I went to bed and after I woke up this morning, I had a persistent thought. The following exchange prompted me.

That is a disappointing result. I really thought I was on to something there.

To be fair, Tony didn't do himself many favors.

tony was playing the way he does every game. i honestly never understood why he was public enemy number #1 and i think lunching him over al was pretty bad but hindsight is 20/20

I’ve never played with Tony before, so I had no comparison.
Is there anyone who you think should have “known better” or any reason to think someone who voted him wasn’t genuine in their suspicion?

Fingersplints and I don't have experience with TSP. To us, he looked scummy. The Marmot thing alone, which fingersplints banked on, was enough. I recall @Hally saying that this is how TSP is, before the chop. I seem to recall others saying so as well, but I can't immediately recall. So my thought comes in the form of a question:

Who amongst us knew TSP's meta, saw people suspect, vote for, and ultimately chop him—and didn't say, 'That's just how Tony is'?

Bonus question: Who amongst us knew TSP's meta and didn't speak up, but spoke up about other people's meta?

the thing is, tony just finished a game where he wolfed extremely well. he posted more than any wolf in site history and won in F3 of a long grueling game. it’s understandable coming off a win like that one that he faced a lot of paranoia in this game for no real reason. whenever someone has a good wolf performance like that people are always going to be irrationally paranoid the next game so they don’t get duped again

[fingersplints]

I don’t care about the drunk posting. I thought it what funny, but it means nothing. Might as well be considered off topic chatter for all I’m concerned.

[Sloonei]

@Michelle next time don't mess around, if you have mech on a hugely scumread player say so. Don't wait the whole 48 hours

TonyStarkPrime next time don't mess around, if you're so largely scumread don't get all prideful and not claim. You weren't going to be the NK ever, even if you were what are the chances we get two wolves off of you? Also now we don't have your RB and vote silence.

I didn't mess around, i spent all my free time trying to explain Ted is not an option and trying a wagon on Nanook, wagon who didn't grow more than 4.

About Syndicate's people pride you have to accept it and work with it. After a while you'll get it

What I don't like was how come the Sindicate vets didn't notice, like I did, that Tony has villagery posts.

I think some of them are scum in the town core and some of them are sheeping the firsts.
This is my idea for now.

If you are indeed the cop and you’re thinking of checking me: don’t. I’m about to self-resolve. Your shot is better spent elsewhere.