Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[trans rights]

That is

Not an ideal n1

But a pretty impressive one nonetheless ngl

in a hypothetical world where you dont exist

alison tracks mana visiting themselves
mana watches themselves be visited by themselves, myself, and alison

smh

I cannot forgive myself for preventing this from happening


Assuming both claims are real but

Mana's probably is at least

all we know is mana is at minimum an investigative. it's plausible that they're a role cop or something. wolf watcher also works.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

yes im w/w with the person that i spent the entirety of D2 trying to get killed despite the thread consensus around me being "outted wolf" and "lolcatting"

yup

I don't think you received severe pressure after the initial push on D2. Most people seemed content to accept your claim as essentially a better doc and people moved onto HV, Mana and FK stuff.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Mana is only proven to be a role that gives feedback, and is thus told that their action failed. Their claim as Watcher isn't confirmed.

[trans rights]

also, i'd still v read akemi if i thought nutella was being villagery, but i'm still only hard townreading alison's head.

Consider that someone who has played with nutella for I think literal decades and who catches her as scum on D1 every time has locked her town.

uh. decades? wot.

also doesnt amount much to me given you literally know she's a villager from your perspective if you are a villager.

I'm talking about Mac. AFAIK the Syndicate old guard have been playing together for more than a decade since RYM days.

i still think you're probably a villager and have been saying so the entire game so that doesn't exactly change much to me

[Bottom Text]

alright so i definitely expected to be called a wolf rolecop after allegedly correctly deducing their role and the fact they're not doing that is making me thonk

[Julinook]

That is

Not an ideal n1

But a pretty impressive one nonetheless ngl

in a hypothetical world where you dont exist

alison tracks mana visiting themselves
mana watches themselves be visited by themselves, myself, and alison

smh

I cannot forgive myself for preventing this from happening


Assuming both claims are real but

Mana's probably is at least

all we know is mana is at minimum an investigative. it's plausible that they're a role cop or something. wolf watcher also works.

Yeah could be

My gut is inclined to believe he's actually a watcher tho, mafia probably doesn't rolecop townAH I don't think

[trans rights]

alright so i definitely expected to be called a wolf rolecop after allegedly correctly deducing their role and the fact they're not doing that is making me thonk

what i wasn't talking about you.

[Bottom Text]

alright so i definitely expected to be called a wolf rolecop after allegedly correctly deducing their role and the fact they're not doing that is making me thonk

what i wasn't talking about you.

i also wasn't talking about you specifically

[trans rights]

oh i misinterpreted what that post was referring to. mb.

[Bottom Text]

oh my god I'm trying to read up and I can not with all this role shit ughhhh why does every closed setup on ts suck

[trans rights]

anyways

we're town
poop explosions town
toopy & binoo town
julinooks town
akemi town

game seems easy

[Bottom Text]

...is the role nook claims to be really a standard role on this site?

like, it's basically FoL Prince but that class is supposed to be overpowered

[Bottom Text]

my vote as esooa is on trans rights because they've been tunneling me for the entire game so I want them dead regardless of their alignment

that's all I have to contribute

[Akemi Hazelnut]

alright so i definitely expected to be called a wolf rolecop after allegedly correctly deducing their role and the fact they're not doing that is making me thonk

Why would you guessing my role = wolf rolecop when a wolf who copped me as tracker would have nothing to gain by outing it in the thread

I think you're a wolf because Poop + TR + Julinook + BT seems like an excess of town unkillability in a game that has shown no extra mafia KP, as well as the fact that you came in today pushing an agenda to kill us despite it being fairly obvious that we're villager and just ignoring all the stuff that makes us spewed V.

[trans rights]

my vote as esooa is on trans rights because they've been tunneling me for the entire game so I want them dead regardless of their alignment

that's all I have to contribute

thanks

~mawile

[Bottom Text]

and just ignoring all the stuff that makes us spewed V.

hmmyes in a game that might potentially have zero dead wolves you are spewed V

im not even concerned that you're still alive because the NKs have made sense but

lol, guess im a wolf for being a little fish trying to point out that there's a big fucking shark in the pond

[Bottom Text]

"closed setup, open roleclaiming - 48/24. postcap of 200 per phase, lifted 1hr before EOD. EOD will be 7pm EST. closed nights."

*depressed pepo image*

[Julinook]

...is the role nook claims to be really a standard role on this site?

like, it's basically FoL Prince but that class is supposed to be overpowered

I wouldn't say standard but commonish

[Mana]

Akenut and Poop both made it to day 3, and neither are especially sus. One of them minimum is scum.

It's probably Ake considering Alison hasn't tried to martyer herself onto her reads, which what she did when I was hydra with her last game in Syn's game

These posts are borderline outing imo. This "must be at least one scum between Akemi and Poop because neither have been killed by Day 3" dichotomy is horrible since the N1 nightkill was an outed vig and the N2 nightkill were the lovers. Also Made specifically trying to shade me for not "martyring myself onto my reads" is super fucking wolfy since he knew I was tilted in hydra chat and felt like we weren't being listened to and went balls to the wall with the angleshoot and everything for that reason. This game's circumstances are obviously extremely different.

sigh

Nah, i'm talking early on when we were town read and I was like "uhhh iunno, maybe we should do some sus stuff to be read as scum so we don't get nk" and you were like "nah, i much rather be killed nk then people marter my reads. Then you did the same thing is Double Elimination, but you aren't doing that here.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

and just ignoring all the stuff that makes us spewed V.

hmmyes in a game that might potentially have zero dead wolves you are spewed V

im not even concerned that you're still alive because the NKs have made sense but

lol, guess im a wolf for being a little fish trying to point out that there's a big fucking shark in the pond

nutella is a flaming obvious outed wolf D1 when she rands mafia and she clearly wasn't this game.

Mac has testified that nutella would not kill Roxy N1, and I have gone on record as saying that vigilante is an anti-town role in the hands of a player who doesn't know what's going on so it's not like I would be peer pressuring her into making a kill she hated.

TR has argued that I would likely have carried the kill if I was mafia.

Any wolf TAT worlds spews us clear, and the way he handled the medium interaction strongly suggests that he was in fact a wolf.

How has none of these points affected your read on us at all?

[Bottom Text]

more to come

mist are we being pocketed

unrelated but your posts are pretty fire queen

extremely stupid read but i made a post similar to this in bastard mash 4 to esooa and she instantly called it out as a pocket attempt, and turns out it was and i was a wolf

esooa knows i would notice this if she made this type of post; there's functionally no way she doesn't. if she's a wolf the only way she knows i would v read this is if she thought that i would go multiple levels deep into wifom to come to the conclusion that w!esooa would be more aware that type of post is wolfy, and as a result i would come to the conclusion that it's less likely to come from w!her. otherwise i would always wolfread this because it's a tactic i've used before. if anything it would only sour my read on her more if i came to the opposite conclusion, given i'm not keen on their slot atm

either that or it's purely nai and i'm way overthinking this

ok bye for real

~azumarill

i was looking for a post but this is why i think TR might be a villager again given what esooa told me realtime here

[Mana]

and just ignoring all the stuff that makes us spewed V.

hmmyes in a game that might potentially have zero dead wolves you are spewed V

im not even concerned that you're still alive because the NKs have made sense but

lol, guess im a wolf for being a little fish trying to point out that there's a big fucking shark in the pond

nutella is a flaming obvious outed wolf D1 when she rands mafia and she clearly wasn't this game.

Mac has testified that nutella would not kill Roxy N1, and I have gone on record as saying that vigilante is an anti-town role in the hands of a player who doesn't know what's going on so it's not like I would be peer pressuring her into making a kill she hated.

TR has argued that I would likely have carried the kill if I was mafia.

Any wolf TAT worlds spews us clear, and the way he handled the medium interaction strongly suggests that he was in fact a wolf.

How has none of these points affected your read on us at all?

This and the whole Alison like to carry NKs makes it a lot less likely to be that slot here tbh...

[trans rights]

i'm entirely willing to stop pushing bt if it gets esooa to actually play the game

~mawile

[Bottom Text]

and just ignoring all the stuff that makes us spewed V.

hmmyes in a game that might potentially have zero dead wolves you are spewed V

im not even concerned that you're still alive because the NKs have made sense but

lol, guess im a wolf for being a little fish trying to point out that there's a big fucking shark in the pond

nutella is a flaming obvious outed wolf D1 when she rands mafia and she clearly wasn't this game.

Mac has testified that nutella would not kill Roxy N1, and I have gone on record as saying that vigilante is an anti-town role in the hands of a player who doesn't know what's going on so it's not like I would be peer pressuring her into making a kill she hated.

TR has argued that I would likely have carried the kill if I was mafia.

Any wolf TAT worlds spews us clear, and the way he handled the medium interaction strongly suggests that he was in fact a wolf.

How has none of these points affected your read on us at all?

don't care

don't care

bad point, also don't care

im aware

[Akemi Hazelnut]

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

[Bottom Text]

i'm entirely willing to stop pushing bt if it gets esooa to actually play the game

~mawile

i don't think she cares that we're being pushed but she thinks the level of mech talk is comparable to town of salem

which is reasonable and its annoying me too but its also hard for me to ignore

[Bottom Text]

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

you're actually howling right now aren't you

[Mana]

@Bottom Text thoughts on Poop?

[Bottom Text]

i'm entirely willing to stop pushing bt if it gets esooa to actually play the game

~mawile

honestly what will get me to play the game is stopping the town of Salem level gameplay where people are going on and on about literally "there's not enough random town for these roles!!!" and doing nothing but random setup spec which is so fucking boring I can't even bother to read it and they actually start making their posts about solving

[Bottom Text]

@Bottom Text thoughts on Poop?

wasn't a fan of their D1
their D2 was incredibly villagery
their D3 has been fine so far

think esooa was talking about how they're probably town at some point between d1/d2 but idr

[Mana]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

[trans rights]

i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

[Akemi Hazelnut]

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

you're actually howling right now aren't you

No I've just decided to vote you out because you have 0 desire to actually solve the game and came into the day blatantly pushing scummy agendas.

[Toopy and Binoo]

alright i'm going to initiate massclaim

we're hardclaiming x1 commuter. basically we can decide to be immune to night actions for a night. this is possibly verifiable because we have not used our ability yet.

Now how does this make BT and Poop’s claims more unlikely in ANY WAY.
SiNcE, YoU cLaImeD iT dOeS.

Alright we have our day 3 chop. Good job.

Yeah quite honestly I think it’s TR/Julinook/Tony RN.
I’m down, but I gave Binoo control of the vote today so he places it not me.

-Toopy

That you are living in a world of 3 makes you >rand mafia.

Do you even remember my claim? Lol.

No and the way you reacted here makes me glad to not know what it is because you're probably hiding behind it.

I’m like the most obvious town here especially with my medium claim and I also JUST claimed it when I was referring to the dead Reloader Tim.

You went from - Town Read - from me
To - Scum Read - from me based on your stupidity here.

How does that make you feel?

-Toopy

[Bottom Text]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

whatever dude if they're a wolf and we don't vote them out because "oooo the nightkills dont make sense for them! theyd carry if they were a wolf!" then lol, i give up with this

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

you're actually howling right now aren't you

No I've just decided to vote you out because you have 0 desire to actually solve the game and came into the day blatantly pushing scummy agendas.

this is such blatant misrepresentation of my play today oh my god does NOBODY see this

[Toopy and Binoo]

Anyways I'm an x shot jk, I protected nutellison n1

Thats why you got blocked mana, and why I believe your claim

.........

okay

so you jailkept mana

this is what i expected but also

now we're fucking podracing with claims

No I jailkept Alison nutella

Mana targeted them, that's why they got no result

So yes kind of but not directly

Yeah I’m REALLY now starting to think Poop is wolf.

-Toopy

[Akemi Hazelnut]

i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

[Mana]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

whatever dude if they're a wolf and we don't vote them out because "oooo the nightkills dont make sense for them! theyd carry if they were a wolf!" then lol, i give up with this

Nah, it's that plus all the other things Alison just said. There's so many places where they would---actually wait. Is Roxy known for being able to read Nutella well or something?

[Toopy and Binoo]

Mana:
Entry is pretty standard from what I’d expect; jokeposts show that they’re comfy in-thread during earlygame, but that’s mostly just showing level of comfort w/ others on the site tbh. First time we see relevance from them is reacting to TSPIC’s vote on them (by this point, a good amount into D1):

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Why?

Kinda felt you were coasting a bit and wanted to hear more of your general thoughts on the game so far

Well uh.. You could ask for those, no need to jump straight to voting bro. I haven't been around much so not many thoughts, mostly still trying to figure out the whole bottom text/trans rights situation. More thoughts will be had at a later time

Scum post

Nah

Then after saying that they didn’t have to be involved because they didn’t really have anything to add, they put this out there:

but like actually tho, low volume might just mean low engagement. I don't have anything to say so i'm not saying anything of consequence. that's kinda how that works

you got reads? anything

looking for a scapegoat i found a wolf. falconknow's iso is awful, they're prob just bad
[VOTE: Falconknows] aubergine

When pushed why they thought the Falcon ISO was awful, they made a case that there’s inconsistency between the “this is me openwolfing” (which was a jokepost) and the list of hydras/accounts (which he posted right after complaining about people using aliases). I thought this defense was passable at the time, but looking back at the string of events, I can’t see why someone would register that as suspicious. And the “mixed signals” could’ve easily just been multiple people posting (as it is a hydra lol). Next time we see relevant content is here:

good vibes so far from julinook, akemi, potentially trans rights. I liked bottom text early on but now I'm a little more unsure about them. idk anyones meta really so I'm just going off feel and what others are saying about other ppls metas

All of these folks are still alive, which is interesting but I’m not sure is relevant lol. Then, there’s the whole self-preservation vote debacle, which I’d count as NAI. It’s a little bit sketchier since there’s a poll right at the top of the page here, but I don’t think scum who’s recently out of the spotlight and who knows it wouldn’t actually be self-pres would willingly put themselves back into the center of attention like that. Next, Mana posts this:

It’s a common shot that usually results in a town death.
Who cares if they slanker, they still town nonetheless.

-Toopy

I don't care about town deaths. It resolves them early on rather than later in the game.

I don't particularly like this post... if you're claiming to be a one shot vig doesn't that imply you're on the towns side? why would you not care about town deaths

And then their readlist two posts later is this:

Are you guys having a tough time getting into the game or are you doing most of tour stuff in private, mana?

can't speak for dana, but a lot of my thoughts don't seem to be related to what the rest of thread seems worried about. Dana said that she feels like the last 10 pages of show of thread have been just rehashing the same stuff again and again, and I agree. Normally I don't get too into games until someone tries to push me against a wall, so i appreciate TT's attempt to relate me to transrights. as far as that goes, I think they're observation of the how easy it would of been to push my slot if TR was scum, which is leading me to think they're prob town

from there, my (made) town reads are
transrights
julinook
Timsuptosynena

top scum read is prob.... falconknows. I believe their emoji thing was fun, because emojis are very fun , but they also claimed my flavor so.....bottom might also be bad, but that's just a unsubstanciated vibe. TPic is also giving me bad vibes, but nothing i can commit to.

in terms of trying to push the thread somewhere, let's try a group activity: In groups of two (you can use your hydra partner) create your town core, and top 3 scum

annnnddd go!!!!!!!

I think the first one is Dana and the second one is Made (just by looking at capitalization & grammatical structure), so I won’t dock points for inconsistency. They claim one-shot watcher here:

I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana

@Mana claim lol

I haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)

And since the (now-claimed) jailkeep targeted Nutella N1…. @Bottom Text who was X here?

interesting... so you don't know what the action was that got redirected to us?

any actions targetting X targeted you instead

I see.. and you dont want to share who X is, right?

Which I believe, given the recent JK claim (who said they JK’d Akemi N1). And if there’s no other investigative/tracking claim (not counting the rolecop that I’m vaguely remembering (I should honestly figure out everyone’s claims lol)), I’d think that Mana’s town-leaning mechanically. If Mana flips fakeclaim’d scum, there’s a good chance that whoever claimed JK is a scummate. They had a post noting a relationship between Tim/H&V and Poop (I’m writing up a post & quoting separately for some in-thread discussion), and then they say:

I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

I also feel willing to clear Akenut if FK flips town. I don't know what it means if FK is town, more thought needed in that arena

Which happened, and then Mana tried to turbo Ake out-of-the-gate today lol. But then they post this:

I'm starting to get concerned about the Akemi hydra. Them calling Mana scummy was just the latest thing that I've seen that kinda made me nervous.

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Also, there was the sudden vote on Bottom Text after Bottom Text admitted they were lying to me when I was questioned them.

And then, when I outed that H&V loverized us, it seemed like they were quick to jump on H&V.

I don't think they're obvtown at the moment. Counterpoint of course is that H&V seemed to think they were likely to get NKed N1?

I dunno.

Okay warning this will be convoluted, but stick with me:
AliNut and FakeTim, exactly one baddie max. If falcknows is scum then AliNut is town, then FakeTim is looking reaallly bad, but I think it's more likely that Alinut is bad...which is bad because that means Falcon is prob town, which i don't think is true.......

so basically help?

Which is exactly the opposite, so I’m not sure if that’s just the heads thinking differently or a typo in the first post. Then there’s this post which could be a scumslip if T&T was actually town since they hard assume 3 wolves left:

If someone wants something to jump off of, try to follow my logic on Alinut and FalconKnows. my theories/takes there aren't fitting together, which means something is really really wrong in my logic, but i'm missing exactly what

Im trying to read through and I can';t really get a good picture of your views there. Unless that's what you meant by your theories aren't fitting together?

From what I could tell, you had:

- AK/poop as w/w
- then you had GTH that AK was a wolf
- then you said AK town if Falcon is town.

Personally, I don't think AK & poop are w/w because it felt like poop had a pretty natural reaction to a post Nut made at the EOD1. Plus, if T&T is indeed a wolf which is looking pretty likely, this is a good look for them. If FK flips scum, then this just further solidifies them as town. I think AK/poop are t/t.

Ak/poop are w/w
GTH AK is wolf
GTH Falcknows is Wolf
There is at most one wolf between Alisnut and Falcknows.

they can't both be wolves, but they're both wolfie af. please help

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TL;DR:
Mana’s been pointing out interactions between players, but the only solid read they really formed was of Falcon’s entrance. They didn’t spend time to re-evaluate like I’d expect after learning the person they’d been tunneling for two days, and they went hard-in on Akemi instead of Poop (who seemed to be the stronger read from their posts D2). Their play seems reckless, and the only salvageable thing I see about their slot is the investigative claim. I’ll buy the one-shot tracker since it matches up w/ the JK claim, and tracker seems kinda useless to scum in a game w/ so many one-shots lol. Play-wise they seem wolfy, mechanically they’re probably town imo.

- Binoo

[Toopy and Binoo]

trans rights = always mafia
toopy and binooo = probably mafia
tonystarkplaysitcool = mafia if the game isn't over off the previous two flips

Yeah, Def scum.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

You faker.

-Toopy

[trans rights]

i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

i mean what's the point of w!bottom text burying their partner for their watcher claim showing up as no result, and then continuing to push on their partner after a dichotomy of falconknows/mana was formed, on top of townreading falconknows

that seems like playing against your wincon, especially if two and through were indeed a wolf

[Akemi Hazelnut]

this is such blatant misrepresentation of my play today oh my god does NOBODY see this

You came into the day trying to get us killed. You did not arrive at that read organically, you opened the day pushing it. It was something you knew you wanted to do when day broke. You have consistently ignored people giving you evidence that our slot is villager because you are stuck pushing the artificial narrative you have created.

[Toopy and Binoo]

Vanity is mafia
Toopy and binoo are howling and frozen
if there is another wolf after those two we'll be too dead to care

Yes I’m totally frozen when I have to eat.
WOW, YOUR SO FUCKIN GOOD!

-Toopy

[Akemi Hazelnut]

The strongest evidence against Mana/BT team is actually that BT is trying to push the "Alison would have carried the NK" argument as bullshit and Mana is like, vouching for it/endorsing it.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

@Toopy and Binoo You have your claims confused, Mana is claiming one-shot watcher not one-shot tracker. What makes you believe their claim?

[trans rights]

i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.

[Toopy and Binoo]

why is seth's hydra voting sleep

~mawile

Oh no I voted sleep as like a placeholder spot so Binoo could vote an actual vote.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

(Also, I see our vote's on sleep and wholeheartedly agree :P

- Binoo)

[Akemi Hazelnut]

i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

i mean what's the point of w!bottom text burying their partner for their watcher claim showing up as no result, and then continuing to push on their partner after a dichotomy of falconknows/mana was formed, on top of townreading falconknows

that seems like playing against your wincon, especially if two and through were indeed a wolf

Both BT and Mana took heavy heat yesterday. Scum teams distance under pressure. In fact if BT/Mana is the team they were both hard POE'd and essentially cannot win the game by just powerwolfing and killing villas because they don't have enough misexes. Someone has to go deep.