Game Over! Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[Made]

That was not that post, this is " MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you really think a baddie would not contribute though?


I really don't, which is why i wasn't going to mention it until you asked......motherfucking linki.... for the record Mp's post was a linki for me..."

pretend that was quoted, I just don't want to be linki trained again.

linki- Oh no.... I agree with Mp again, Not just because she would completely refute Llama's original point against me and someone can then call me "Floundering" or something.

(please note, the "oh no" was directed at the fact i got a linki)

[S~V~S]

"flailing", it was flailing.

Linki~ I like vote switching. It also allows the civs to move past baddie manipulations if they see them for what they are, rather than holding their votes until later on. I think it makes you take more responsibility for your vote, not less.

[Made]

That was not that post, this is " MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you really think a baddie would not contribute though?


I really don't, which is why i wasn't going to mention it until you asked......motherfucking linki.... for the record Mp's post was a linki for me..."

pretend that was quoted, I just don't want to be linki trained again.

linki- Oh no.... I agree with Mp again, Not just because she would completely refute Llama's original point against me and someone can then call me "Floundering" or something.

(please note, the "oh no" was directed at the fact i got a linki)

Also what are llama and Juliet's Genders?

[thellama73]

That was not that post, this is " MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you really think a baddie would not contribute though?


I really don't, which is why i wasn't going to mention it until you asked......motherfucking linki.... for the record Mp's post was a linki for me..."

pretend that was quoted, I just don't want to be linki trained again.

linki- Oh no.... I agree with Mp again, Not just because she would completely refute Llama's original point against me and someone can then call me "Floundering" or something.

(please note, the "oh no" was directed at the fact i got a linki)

Also what are llama and Juliet's Genders?

I am a boy llama. Juliets is a girl juliets.

[Tangrowth]

I am always wary of games with changing votes, it makes me feel like it could benefit the baddies significantly. But thanks for highlighting that -- it's something to remember, especially since I am so used to votes being final.

I solidly agree, which is why I never allow vote switching in my games.

Same, but this is DP and Rox's game, and I can respect and appreciate their desire to shake things up a bit.

Also, regarding Enrique, I found his declaration that he didn't find Made to have BTSC probably odd, but it did the opposite for me; I think he is honestly just giving his opinion of the situation right now (as in, he has no reason to believe Made has BTSC based on actions that have happened so far this game), and I don't think Enrique stating such is suspicious. I don't see it as too far-fetched of an assessment. I may not agree with it, but that's what I think.

Linki with S~V~S: Fair points, I don't disagree.

[S~V~S]

Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.

few things wrong with that.

1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.

2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.

3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.

MP, what is your opinion of this post? Specifically point #3?

[Epignosis]

I want to hear more from everyone on this matter. I'm pretty torn on Made right now.

Why do you need everyone else to clarify your own thoughts on Made?

Besides, I've been bad statistically way too many times, especially in full games. I love being a baddie, but even I'm sick of it right now.

Most suspicious thing anyone has said so far.

[Marmot]

In response to some posts above:

I've voted no or low participants on Day 1 before, but I think it would be insanely ludicrous to do so in this game - way too much has happened. There's suspish a'plenty for those willing to comb through it.

Holy linki x7

I've heard nothing from you regarding suspicions. Who else is suspish?

[thellama73]

Ah, Rob. I'm glad you're here, with your ruthless logic and cold, incisive accusations.

[Enrique]

SVS I *just* got what you meant and why you would think that (sorry I'm slowww). Say you're right, though, why bring attention to it? The whole case against Made is that he mayy have BTSC. I don't know, I'm not feeling it.

(also holy shit posting from mobile is annoying)

[Mongoose]

I feel like MP is probably staying UTR because he's died early in a lot of games recently (well like always on TS, unfortunately) and playing safe can be a smart move if you tend to draw a lot of fire early. Not that I would at all understand this plight at all. Ahem.

And poop on a paradox, you're being so freakin aggressive, llama.

[S~V~S]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

[Mongoose]

In response to some posts above:

I've voted no or low participants on Day 1 before, but I think it would be insanely ludicrous to do so in this game - way too much has happened. There's suspish a'plenty for those willing to comb through it.

Holy linki x7

I've heard nothing from you regarding suspicions. Who else is suspish?

You.

Just kidding.

I think it's undeniable that several players will be scrutinizing Made. I'm having a hard time reading these TS newcomers, but I guess it's early days yet.

I'm not suggesting anyone/everyone can make an airtight case on Day 1, but there's at least ingredients to bake a cake that will pass muster.

[S~V~S]

So your opinion is that other people have opinions?

[S~V~S]

SVS I *just* got what you meant and why you would think that (sorry I'm slowww). Say you're right, though, why bring attention to it? The whole case against Made is that he mayy have BTSC. I don't know, I'm not feeling it.

(also holy shit posting from mobile is annoying)

i don't think it, actually. i think he is implying it. Doesn't make it true.

[Mongoose]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

See I'm just so leery because I'm always wrong on TS newcomers. I was wrong about MR when he was new (to TS) and the wrong votes always haunt me. I know you dislike when I give evasive non-answers, so let's say that if I had to vote tonight, I'd definitely be inclined to vote that way, but there's still a long time to make up our minds. I plan on a through review of the entire thread Thursday afternoon.

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

[Mongoose]

So your opinion is that other people have opinions?

I saw what you said but didn't respond in linki because I don't want to post huge blocks of texts - feeling a little OCD and want to keep it organized (see above in case you missed it).

[thellama73]

And poop on a paradox, you're being so freakin aggressive, llama.

Hi, I'm Logan. Have we met?

[Enrique]

SVS I *just* got what you meant and why you would think that (sorry I'm slowww). Say you're right, though, why bring attention to it? The whole case against Made is that he mayy have BTSC. I don't know, I'm not feeling it.

(also holy shit posting from mobile is annoying)

i don't think it, actually. i think he is implying it. Doesn't make it true.

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I read his post very differently, too, the first time. But the way you read makes more sense I guess.

[Marmot]

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

a) That's what I thought when I was new.

b) It's only distraction if he's bad, right?

c) But I'm sure llama does it because it also has a chance of causing a slip from a baddie.

[Mongoose]

And poop on a paradox, you're being so freakin aggressive, llama.

Hi, I'm Logan. Have we met?

No

[thellama73]

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

a) That's what I thought when I was new.

Awww, but I was always so nice to you.

[S~V~S]

That was a very Mongoosey waffly answer, and it makes me feel better, thanks

And this is a Mafia site, honey. People won't think he's a hateful melon, they'll think he's a formidable melon. A melon nevertheless, but an impressive one~

[Made]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

See I'm just so leery because I'm always wrong on TS newcomers. I was wrong about MR when he was new (to TS) and the wrong votes always haunt me. I know you dislike when I give evasive non-answers, so let's say that if I had to vote tonight, I'd definitely be inclined to vote that way, but there's still a long time to make up our minds. I plan on a through review of the entire thread Thursday afternoon.

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

1. if you have the time read some of the misfits game. It still has a gag order on it, but it might help you understand some of the reads on each other.

2. The case against me will pretty much fall if/when juliet says that there was a post between when i said "we probably have an advantage" and when i said, " I wouldn't know"

[S~V~S]

My thoughts on you have zero to do with that post.

[Marmot]

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

a) That's what I thought when I was new.

Awww, but I was always so nice to you.

I apologize if it seems like I'm trolling you llama. I think it's a bad habit I've developed.

Linki: And the ladies will continue to talk about melons...

[Made]

My thoughts on you have zero to do with that post.

fair enough.

[Mongoose]

SVS I *just* got what you meant and why you would think that (sorry I'm slowww). Say you're right, though, why bring attention to it? The whole case against Made is that he mayy have BTSC. I don't know, I'm not feeling it.

(also holy shit posting from mobile is annoying)

i don't think it, actually. i think he is implying it. Doesn't make it true.

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I read his post very differently, too, the first time. But the way you read makes more sense I guess.

I keep reading that section of the thread over and over and I'll be totally convinced one way and then the next time I read it, I interpret it wholly the other way. Freakin Mulholland Drive, man.

linki - Is hateful melon a phrase or did I just make that up?

linki - And yeah, I think I was thinking of you, MM! I was super angry about that. I'm glad you stuck around and saw he's actually a pussycat.

[Marmot]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

See I'm just so leery because I'm always wrong on TS newcomers. I was wrong about MR when he was new (to TS) and the wrong votes always haunt me. I know you dislike when I give evasive non-answers, so let's say that if I had to vote tonight, I'd definitely be inclined to vote that way, but there's still a long time to make up our minds. I plan on a through review of the entire thread Thursday afternoon.

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

1. if you have the time read some of the misfits game. It still has a gag order on it, but it might help you understand some of the reads on each other.

2. The case against me will pretty much fall if/when juliet says that there was a post between when i said "we probably have an advantage" and when i said, " I wouldn't know"

Does juliet have BTSC with you too? I mean not the nudge-nudge kind?

[Mongoose]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

See I'm just so leery because I'm always wrong on TS newcomers. I was wrong about MR when he was new (to TS) and the wrong votes always haunt me. I know you dislike when I give evasive non-answers, so let's say that if I had to vote tonight, I'd definitely be inclined to vote that way, but there's still a long time to make up our minds. I plan on a through review of the entire thread Thursday afternoon.

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

1. if you have the time read some of the misfits game. It still has a gag order on it, but it might help you understand some of the reads on each other.

2. The case against me will pretty much fall if/when juliet says that there was a post between when i said "we probably have an advantage" and when i said, " I wouldn't know"

That's fair and I'll try to do that.

[thellama73]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I think it's weird you think an indication of BTSC is not a good foundation for a case. What do you base your cases on, then? What sort of behavior should we be looking for, if not collusion?

[Made]

Any opinion on Made, Mongoose? And you disapprove of Llamas aggression?

See I'm just so leery because I'm always wrong on TS newcomers. I was wrong about MR when he was new (to TS) and the wrong votes always haunt me. I know you dislike when I give evasive non-answers, so let's say that if I had to vote tonight, I'd definitely be inclined to vote that way, but there's still a long time to make up our minds. I plan on a through review of the entire thread Thursday afternoon.

It's not that I disapprove of his aggression per se, but it makes me a bit anxious that a) new people will think he is a hateful melon and b) it might distract and c) it makes people overly defensive where someone that is innocent might look guilty.

1. if you have the time read some of the misfits game. It still has a gag order on it, but it might help you understand some of the reads on each other.

2. The case against me will pretty much fall if/when juliet says that there was a post between when i said "we probably have an advantage" and when i said, " I wouldn't know"

Does juliet have BTSC with you too? I mean not the nudge-nudge kind?

I don't think you're allowed to ask that.

[S~V~S]

Sure he is.

[Made]

I'm an idiot... let me see if she's on irc....

[S~V~S]

I hope the game is not being discussed on irc.

[thellama73]

I hope the game is not being discussed on irc.

It's okay as long as they have actual in-game BTSC, which I'm assuming they do based on Made's refusal to answer.

[Made]

I hope the game is not being discussed on irc.

It isn't. I'm assuming What MM wanted was for Juliet to be pinged so people can ask for her views/opinions.

[Epignosis]

I feel like MP is probably staying UTR because he's died early in a lot of games recently (well like always on TS, unfortunately) and playing safe can be a smart move if you tend to draw a lot of fire early. Not that I would at all understand this plight at all. Ahem.

Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? (That's surely a Monty Python reference)

How is 33 posts by Day 1 staying under the radar?

MP died early in a game (The Hobbit) because I lead a Day 1 lynch against him and he was bad. Other than that, he WON Are You Being Served? Mafia and he WON Occultism Mafia. He has not died early in anything this year other than The Hobbit, when he was an evil smelly necrophiliac goblin.

[juliets]

Roxy cleared the room 8 seconds ago, so i can't check exactly who asked if i knew something...

Made, did you really go to the chat room to find this out? I don't understand why SVS didn't see that you had been there.

For anyone wondering, once llama brought that comment up by made I remembered it. And I don't remember anyone saying "you should know". I certainly would never say something like that and those of you who know me well know that. With that said, I do not have a perfect memory and worry about reporting what I remember. I agree I'm concerned with this but it's more that there is something to add to it, whether he was in the chat room at the end.

I have not read through the entire post-game thread but felt like I needed to ask that question (sorry if it's already been answered made) and also give you my take on the comments made.

[Enrique]

10. What did God tell Arthur was so depressing?

The Psalms

@Enrique I would like 'active' to be defined then. He was active enough to know what was going on and answer the final question.

But I do realize that SVS was on her phone, making it difficult to follow. I guess that's why MP (or was it llama) is waiting to hear something from juliets.

Linki: You've got my input MP. My eyes are turned in that direction while I await juliets response. Also to note, we are allowed to change votes in this game, according to the Porcupine.

Metalmarsh you're just repeating what I said earlier. My point is, you "heard" Juliets, BWT and whoever else were active on their chatroom. But there's also a Made quote somewhere about how he found BWT suspicious for not participating. So yeah it doesn't really add up to anything. There isn't much to discuss yet when it comes to BWT.

Oh, wasn't expecting that. Had you said something about me before, llama? I'm gonna go now real quick sorry if I seem distracted.

Also pfft, calling me "new"

I know you have a long mafia history. I just meant new as in I have never played with you before, so I have no idea of what your typical behavior is.

I found it suspicious that you said "I don't think Made has BTSC." I don;t feel strongly enough about any player to make such a claim, not by a long shot, and your apparent certainty struck me as odd.

Yeah, it's fine. Honestly? I'm clueless. I can see what SVS meant about Made implying civvie BTSC. I originally had read that as him being an indie/neutral role with no BTSC. I don't know. Whatever. No strong opinion but I don't think Made is bad.

In response to some posts above:

I've voted no or low participants on Day 1 before, but I think it would be insanely ludicrous to do so in this game - way too much has happened. There's suspish a'plenty for those willing to comb through it.

Holy linki x7

Well yes now we're talking

Oh, and I suppose add Enrique to that list as well.

I was getting pinged by Enrique a bit earlier, but his posts since have satisfied me, and I'm inclined to think he's genuinely attempting to scum hunt. Definitely have my eye on him though.

It's intresting, because i feel the opposite. When he was presenting his opinion earlier, I figured scum hunting, but once llama brought up the fact so many day 0 post existed, and Enri didn't drop it i took notice. (Given, he proved to be right? Logic for killing me was reasonable.)

linkie- Editing my first post because i think Enrique has an intresting point.....actually wait, where else are we going to find names. We have to kill someone.

linki- wait, is Enrique considered new? This could drastically effect how we should guage others reaction of Enrique's actions.

No, Made. I think llama and I agree that Day 0 is pretty skippable. There is lots of Day 1 stuff to talk about now, yeah. My point was valid at the time!

What point? What names? What? I expect people to come and participate. We're not just pulling names out of a hat.

I've played with most people here before. Or, half of them, maybe? I've been playing longer than most that's for sure But yeah I'm new in Syndicate and I've played like 1 game in the last 2.5 years. I guess I am new to many people.

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I think it's weird you think an indication of BTSC is not a good foundation for a case. What do you base your cases on, then? What sort of behavior should we be looking for, if not collusion?

I don't know if he has BTSC! I don't know anything! I'm not convinced he does, either. I don't feel strongly about anything. I just know from Misfits that Made walks like he's slipping. The whole thing about BTSC on the chatroom was probably just being playful.

Also lol @ Made "not allowed to ask that." The hosts haven't specified but they can only censor us so much. I think we're allowed to speculate on who's bad, for starters

[Made]

Roxy cleared the room 8 seconds ago, so i can't check exactly who asked if i knew something...

Made, did you really go to the chat room to find this out?
No i went off memory I don't understand why SVS didn't see that you had been there.

For anyone wondering, once llama brought that comment up by made I remembered it. And I don't remember anyone saying "you should know". I certainly would never say something like that and those of you who know me well know that. With that said, I do not have a perfect memory and worry about reporting what I remember. I agree I'm concerned with this but it's more that there is something to add to it, whether he was in the chat room at the end.

I have not read through the entire post-game thread but felt like I needed to ask that question (sorry if it's already been answered made) and also give you my take on the comments made.

Well fuck me.....

[Marmot]

I feel like MP is probably staying UTR because he's died early in a lot of games recently (well like always on TS, unfortunately) and playing safe can be a smart move if you tend to draw a lot of fire early. Not that I would at all understand this plight at all. Ahem.

Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? (That's surely a Monty Python reference)

How is 33 posts by Day 1 staying under the radar?

MP died early in a game (The Hobbit) because I lead a Day 1 lynch against him and he was bad. Other than that, he WON Are You Being Served? Mafia and he WON Occultism Mafia. He has not died early in anything this year other than The Hobbit, when he was an evil smelly necrophiliac goblin.

He only won Occultism because I ressurected him.

[Made]

I should acknowledge the fact that i might remember it wrong, but i'm sure someone said something to that extent. The Fact that Juliet was there and can't remember either make's me suspect of both of them. Not enough to vote, but enough where if I am correct in my memory, one of them is lying to close the case on me....

I'll respond to all linki's shortly.

[juliets]

oh, i just saw something about bwt - he was active in our chat though he was late and we were trying to explain to him what we were doing it while still doing it. Chatzy was lagging for me so I asked if he could do some of the answers and i know he got in the last one. It was crazy in our chat and from my perspective bwt did what he could.

[Made]

Also lol @ Made "not allowed to ask that." The hosts haven't specified but they can only censor us so much. I think we're allowed to speculate on who's bad, for starters

We as a chat have already recvied I warning. I just don't want to be ModKilled.

[Made]

oh, i just saw something about bwt - he was active in our chat though he was late and we were trying to explain to him what we were doing it while still doing it. Chatzy was lagging for me so I asked if he could do some of the answers and i know he got in the last one. It was crazy in our chat and from my perspective bwt did what he could.

I endorce this.

[thellama73]

Yeah, it's fine. Honestly? I'm clueless. I can see what SVS meant about Made implying civvie BTSC. I originally had read that as him being an indie/neutral role with no BTSC. I don't know. Whatever. No strong opinion but I don't think Made is bad.

More assumptions. What did he say to make you asume indie/neutral (I don't know hwta "neutral" is ) instead of civvie? Where are you getting these ideas from?

No, Made. I think llama and I agree that Day 0 is pretty skippable. There is lots of Day 1 stuff to talk about now, yeah. My point was valid at the time!

Absolutely not. I don't agree with that, and I said so. I said we had nine pages of material to ork with at the start of Day 1, and that it should give us plenty to talk about.

I think it's weird you think an indication of BTSC is not a good foundation for a case. What do you base your cases on, then? What sort of behavior should we be looking for, if not collusion?

I don't know if he has BTSC! I don't know anything! I'm not convinced he does, either. I don't feel strongly about anything. I just know from Misfits that Made walks like he's slipping. The whole thing about BTSC on the chatroom was probably just being playful.

You didn't answer my question. You implied that a case based on a belief that someone has BTSC is a weak case. What else can we base a case on when there are no kills or voting records? Serous question. I want to know.

[thellama73]

oh, i just saw something about bwt - he was active in our chat though he was late and we were trying to explain to him what we were doing it while still doing it. Chatzy was lagging for me so I asked if he could do some of the answers and i know he got in the last one. It was crazy in our chat and from my perspective bwt did what he could.

I endorce this.

I also agree with this.

[Mongoose]

oh, i just saw something about bwt - he was active in our chat though he was late and we were trying to explain to him what we were doing it while still doing it. Chatzy was lagging for me so I asked if he could do some of the answers and i know he got in the last one. It was crazy in our chat and from my perspective bwt did what he could.

I think he started a new position this week, so his involvement here is probably going to be spotty at best.

[Marmot]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I think it's weird you think an indication of BTSC is not a good foundation for a case. What do you base your cases on, then? What sort of behavior should we be looking for, if not collusion?

I don't know if he has BTSC! I don't know anything! I'm not convinced he does, either. I don't feel strongly about anything. I just know from Misfits that Made walks like he's slipping. The whole thing about BTSC on the chatroom was probably just being playful.

Also lol @ Made "not allowed to ask that." The hosts haven't specified but they can only censor us so much. I think we're allowed to speculate on who's bad, for starters

Here's the other thing to. As far as I'm concerned, even if you know something, you're not allowed to reveal it in thread, or even hint at it, so I'm not sure what you would do even if you knew one way or the other. That is how things are here, I don't know about places you play elsewhere though.