The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[KZA]

I am a broken record I know but if you have a shot please murder BoKnows

[Marmot]

Imma ISO Marmot & Qwags, gimme 30 seconds

I'm surprised you haven't gotten even faster now.

[Marmot]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

[KZA]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Let me help

I'm town

[Scotty]

I would talk more about the Shrines in order to help the town coordinate better, but it's tough when different townfolk interact in different ways.

For all I know, my visit to Namira could do vastly different things than your visit to Namira. I know that some players have specific Shrines they can visit, and I think they know what those Shrines will do for them. Others, like me, don't have specific Shrines, and interact with them in different ways. I went to a Shrine last night and got nothing, not even a PM saying "nothing happened".

Are the Shrines geared toward their Daedric whatever things? I went to Hircine because it's the Shrine of "the hunt", so I figured it's a lock for getting a track or some way to hunt wolves. Maybe that would work for someone else though. Maybe Meridia's "light and vital energy" will result in a protect. Maybe Hermaeus Mora would provide the player with more knowledge about the game, or even knowledge in a cop-style fashion?

I can't know right now, but maybe some other players do know, am I on the right track at all with this?

Maybe you were blocked?

[Marmot]

This game feels like a CDC takeover and I'm enjoying it immensely.

[falcon45ca]

God I love being essentially cleared I can just do whatever shit

What're you gonna do next?

See if people want to kill Qwags then maybe hard pivot to Made if the wagon seems too easy

Also kinda hoping you or Kyle are a wolf and the town between you destroys the other

Standard KZA stuff

People always want to kill Qwags crine

Hey qwags do a full reads list

Marmot immediately comes to mind. I know I followed his lead and voted alongside him, but every action thus far is raising red flags.

Vote Marmot.

[VOTE: VOTE QWAGS] aubergine

Jesus.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

This game feels like a CDC takeover and I'm enjoying it immensely.

I think our CDC brethren, BlueJay22, has his first Champs game starting today.

Go BJ

[KZA]

Let me help

I'm town

can you summarize your reads for us

[KZA]

God I love being essentially cleared I can just do whatever shit

What're you gonna do next?

See if people want to kill Qwags then maybe hard pivot to Made if the wagon seems too easy

Also kinda hoping you or Kyle are a wolf and the town between you destroys the other

Standard KZA stuff

People always want to kill Qwags crine

Hey qwags do a full reads list

Marmot immediately comes to mind. I know I followed his lead and voted alongside him, but every action thus far is raising red flags.

tell us about these red flags imo

[falcon45ca]

Marmot starts off the game with just basically saying hello to everyone, and a shit load of lily dipping posts. He's got some solving going on afterwards, is that AI for Marmot? Even tho we've played games together, I feel like I can't read him for shit.

[KZA]

nobody can really read Marmot, just FOS him every single game and things usually end up okay

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Let me help

I'm town

can you summarize your reads for us

Been a bit of movement since yesterday, but I haven't read like 5 or 6 pages. Probably won't.

Town
KZA
Syn
Tim
Scotty

Town leans
Falc
Mac
TSP
LC

Bunch of null, but I feel like daisy is slightly better than null I guess.

Most scummy

Made
Gavial
BK
Qwags
Nacho

That's where I'm at without having to torture myself with all the tldr's.

[falcon45ca]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally

Agreed.


He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.


Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)

[falcon45ca]

God I love being essentially cleared I can just do whatever shit

What're you gonna do next?

See if people want to kill Qwags then maybe hard pivot to Made if the wagon seems too easy

Also kinda hoping you or Kyle are a wolf and the town between you destroys the other

Standard KZA stuff

People always want to kill Qwags crine

Hey qwags do a full reads list

Marmot immediately comes to mind. I know I followed his lead and voted alongside him, but every action thus far is raising red flags.

tell us about these red flags imo

And why he followed his lead if every action has raised a red flag

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally

Agreed.


He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.


Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)

You too bb.

It's not just a level of comfort, or bitterness towards our hosts because of some bullshit bullying, kill the new guys crap.

There's no hot link for gifs. And I can't figure it out.

[Scotty]

how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?

I don't like Jack's rhymes. and, yeah Mac could use more memes/pictures to convey whst he needs to say. the gifs seem more vague.

and yeah jack does more of a this is bad but not say why. and he does thst when he thinks something is good too. like it means 0 if you don't explain why or how. sorry not sorry that just your word on it isn't enough. and last I checked song lyrics can be more then just 2-3 lines. same with poems. I get it's annoying to ppst in rhyme but if he was actually town and seems like sus by many he would put in more efforts.

since we are talking about both players I think Mac has done more to convey his process in the limits he has then jack. or wait actually it's the same. and jack can actually text and stuff. that probably sounds extremely harsh.

I will look more into jack but from my breeze thru I do recall these snarky double liners to house some reads, but he could certainly do more with this limitation. It does seem phoned in

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

[falcon45ca]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally

Agreed.


He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.


Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)

You too bb.

It's not just a level of comfort, or bitterness towards our hosts because of some bullshit bullying, kill the new guys crap.

There's no hot link for gifs. And I can't figure it out.

Go into the preview of a post. At the top you'll see an insert image icon, post the link to the gif inside the parentheses.

[DaisyCloud]

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?

he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally

Agreed.


He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.


Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)

You too bb.

It's not just a level of comfort, or bitterness towards our hosts because of some bullshit bullying, kill the new guys crap.

There's no hot link for gifs. And I can't figure it out.

Go into the preview of a post. At the top you'll see an insert image icon, post the link to the gif inside the parentheses.

I'll try that. But it's one more step than I want to take.

Hot links. I'm fucking lazy

[Gavial]

I really REALLY don't trust Qwags and Made on the Marmot wagon

Qwags vs Marmot, eh?



I prefer Gav or Kyle

Mhm, he prefers a TvT.
Qwags/Falcon/Flanders/Daisy/Mac
Quin or Made as scum substitutes.

[DaisyCloud]

is Marmot from the same site as Ace Marvel's? if so I think I might have played a game with them. I think I randed wolf.


is Gavial from that site too? if so that might be how Gavial might know me? I have 0 recall of that tho. all I truthfully know is we played 1 game here together and it was the last game, the double elimination game. if he remember me from elsewhere then I got 0 recollect of it.

[Gavial]

That’s basically the scum team though.

[falcon45ca]

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

Remember the Simpsons game? Those were intense wall posts from Hugh Jass

[Gavial]

LOL...well, both pings are one ping...a mention and a quote in the same post.

I feel very wanted! <3

Thank you Daisy!!!

I mouthed off about you! so sorry! owo ♡

but this been a weird nite. I think rl there maybe a chicken trying to murder me is frying my brain. it can't be a chicken.

is this u being a martyr again and that is why you claimed? like don't do that stuff.

No martyr. I need information, so I trade information. My role isn't going to get me anywhere, including killed, in the short term, but in a setup this complicated I think if the entire town tries to keep all their cards tight to their vest we will probably suffer for it. So I shared what looked like it wouldn't hurt to share to lead the way. This seems blatantly obvious, but with five wolves freely sharing information about their roles and how the shrines responded to them they are at a big advantage in figuring stuff out. Some people are gonna take that as role fishing and get timfoily about it and that's just the way it goes.

Now we know some stuff about some stuff.

From the chaos crowd I think maybe we learned something. A bunch of people went to the Sheogorath shrine. At least three claim to have gotten post gimmick curses for their trouble while TSP got a day off the poll, assuming they are all telling the truth. One possibility is that there is a good benefit assigned, maybe randomly or maybe by some priority system, and everyone else gets fucked with. That would fit Sheogorath, lorewise.

That would also make sense of some other issues, like watcher being way to powerful to just hand out to everyone who goes to a shrine. If there is a shrine handing out watcher boons it might just give one per night and everyone else that goes there gets nothing. Gavail says there is a watcher shrine (Nocturnal), and that he chose to go somewhere else last night. That seems like a bad choice to me, and if a lot of people had that choice available it seems like most would have taken it, but we aren't flooded with watcher reports. So only one gets rewarded? Or a lot of people did get watcher power and no one watched Alison get murdered? Or someone did see Alison get murdered and doesn't want to risk telling us about it? Or Gavail is fake on the claim? Some things seem more plausible there than others.

That's what I have put together on the setup. My own input is that one other person went to the same shrine I did (Sanguine) and I have no idea who, or what they got. If whatever gets handed out there is a "only one gets blessed" thing I think I wouldn't even be eligible so it would just go to them automatically. The only thing I can imagine that might come useful out of that info is if for some reason someone admits to being the other Sanguine visitor and then someone else claims they were there too, because that makes one of the three of us a liar. Probably not happening.

Anyway, I was asleep, and woke up to clean up after a puking dog so now I am wide awake at the most inconvenient of times so I'll maybe read some thread here...although the longer I stay up the more screwed my sleep schedule is gonna get.

it would help if @Long Con and @Gavial want to share notes on which shrine they went to N1, because LC says he expected a track and didn't get one, and Gavial says he got one and used it on NANOOK

i mean, if they have reason to suspect that's a bad idea, then don't, but it would help clarify your working theory

I went to Hircine.

Yep that’s the shrine we warship to track someone!

[Gavial]

is Marmot from the same site as Ace Marvel's? if so I think I might have played a game with them. I think I randed wolf.


is Gavial from that site too? if so that might be how Gavial might know me? I have 0 recall of that tho. all I truthfully know is we played 1 game here together and it was the last game, the double elimination game. if he remember me from elsewhere then I got 0 recollect of it.

What site?
I’ve played on many sites.

[falcon45ca]

I really REALLY don't trust Qwags and Made on the Marmot wagon

Qwags vs Marmot, eh?



I prefer Gav or Kyle

Mhm, he prefers a TvT.
Qwags/Falcon/Flanders/Daisy/Mac
Quin or Made as scum substitutes.

Hey, what did you think of BK saying he actually doesn't self vote every game? Remember when that was your big scum catch on me? Fucking halfwit

[Syn]

why so tilted

[falcon45ca]

why so tilted

He tunneled me to death when I was town in Beelzebub, never changed his read or re evaluated no matter what happened. You can literally flip green and he'll tunnel you, it's infuriating.

[Syn]

hmmmmm

[Syn]

w/w tbh

[KZA]

why so tilted

He tunneled me to death when I was town in Beelzebub, never changed his read or re evaluated no matter what happened. You can literally flip green and he'll tunnel you, it's infuriating.

and he was town too or?

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

Remember the Simpsons game? Those were intense wall posts from Hugh Jass

Yeah that was painful. But as usual, I just tldr.

The responses to essays are helpful, and the conversations they create. But ya. Lazy

[Gavial]

why so tilted

He tunneled me to death when I was town in Beelzebub, never changed his read or re evaluated no matter what happened. You can literally flip green and he'll tunnel you, it's infuriating.

and he was town too or?

Yeah

[Gavial]

They just weren’t Townie.

Oh wait I just remembered I made a promise to Falcon I’d be his GA this game.


Flanders/Daisy/Qwags/Mac/Quin with Made on the side.

@falcon45ca
Sorry about that buddy, forgot I was playing your GA this game.

[Scotty]

Qwags vs Marmot, eh?



I prefer Gav or Kyle

why aren't you voting? why gavial and Kyle?

why/how is qwags and Marmot townie to u?

I just got back into the game, my vote is coming so hold your britches. Why are you so concerned?


I've already laid out my thoughts on Gav and Kyle.


They're not town to me. Qwags is qwags, and I haven't paid any attention to Marmot.

I’m sick of hearing the “Qwags is qwags” argument. Perhaps that’s his play to be as ambiguously readable and non-contributory as possible, but i would vote that out more often than not. It does no help if your universal strategy is to always get to the end because no one can understand you nor are you any threat to wolves. Sometimes you need to put forth effort.

Just because the poison pickle used to be not poison doesn’t mean you should eat it with your lunch.

And now this isn’t to say that Qwags is the ONLY one doing this. Hell knows I can name a bevy of MIA or seemingly cavalier personalities in this game.

But we’re 0-3 in kills right now and are completely in the dark so I don’t think the game is warranting not warping into light speed

[falcon45ca]

why so tilted

He tunneled me to death when I was town in Beelzebub, never changed his read or re evaluated no matter what happened. You can literally flip green and he'll tunnel you, it's infuriating.

and he was town too or?

He was, and without all the special hunting he's been doing this game

[falcon45ca]

Qwags vs Marmot, eh?



I prefer Gav or Kyle

why aren't you voting? why gavial and Kyle?

why/how is qwags and Marmot townie to u?

I just got back into the game, my vote is coming so hold your britches. Why are you so concerned?


I've already laid out my thoughts on Gav and Kyle.


They're not town to me. Qwags is qwags, and I haven't paid any attention to Marmot.

I’m sick of hearing the “Qwags is qwags” argument. Perhaps that’s his play to be as ambiguously readable and non-contributory as possible, but i would vote that out more often than not. It does no help if your universal strategy is to always get to the end because no one can understand you nor are you any threat to wolves. Sometimes you need to put forth effort.

Just because the poison pickle used to be not poison doesn’t mean you should eat it with your lunch.

And now this isn’t to say that Qwags is the ONLY one doing this. Hell knows I can name a bevy of MIA or seemingly cavalier personalities in this game.

But we’re 0-3 in kills right now and are completely in the dark so I don’t think the game is warranting not warping into light speed

It's not an argument per se, its our meta read of him. Qwags be qwaggin refers to many aspects of his game that just don't make sense.


0-3? I thought Alison and Nanook died, who's the 3rd?

[Scotty]

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

I have a friend who is often terrible at whittling down a broad thought into one paragraph.

That friend could probably use that Grammarly app, but said friend is also stubborn and thinks more words make things easier to understand and also I don’t have a friend

[KZA]

Seanzie died Falcon

[Scotty]

Does anyone know how ties are settled in this game?

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie died Falcon

I am smrt

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Thats scummy. Gavial has now moved onto Qwags, essentially voting with me despite the fact I'm apparently his top scum read.

Gross

[Scotty]

Mac, Made and Qwags are all voting marmot. It smells like a save situation.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see a wolf mate on Qwags for cred

[Scotty]

Will do a more comprehensive read list in a bit- about to get on a plane.

Also @Timsup2nothin if it helps you I’m gonna go get chaos tonight. Provided I don’t die

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nobody listened to my request
Breaking this tie is for the best
To get my vote, argue your case
And I’ll decide which mook to waste

[Gavial]

Mac, Made and Qwags are all voting marmot. It smells like a save situation.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see a wolf mate on Qwags for cred

Exactly!
Mac/Made/Qwags/Flanders then Daisy voting me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if it helps you I’m gonna go get chaos tonight. Provided I don’t die

I’d advise choosing another action
If your aim is to help the townie faction
No gain I see from the chaos gods four
Just makes posting harder and little more