Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like how I'm just here to be the bitch who tells everyone no we can't just yeet Mac, as soon as he accepts death I will bring him back to life and make sure he suffers through all 48 hours

I think your fresh eyes are valuable. I just also tread carefully since I don't know to what extent you have learned the events of the game and who was responsible for what.

[MacDougall]

I don't understand why this is a problem?

I was indirectly sharing those with Esooa, who suggested your more out-there theorizing of this phase came when your chop was more secured.

Alison self poisoning may seem outlandish to you but to me it seems like Alison lol.

[MacDougall]

I like how I'm just here to be the bitch who tells everyone no we can't just yeet Mac, as soon as he accepts death I will bring him back to life and make sure he suffers through all 48 hours

And eventually you will probably just vote me. I wish Nook was here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't understand why this is a problem?

I was indirectly sharing those with Esooa, who suggested your more out-there theorizing of this phase came when your chop was more secured.

Alison self poisoning may seem outlandish to you but to me it seems like Alison lol.

For me it's less about what Alison would or wouldn't do, and admittedly it might be me spewing internal frustration that fake poisons, especially self-targeted fake poisons, would ever even be possible. Town cannot be asked to figure out every wacky thing in the universe. But this is our game and I will stop it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like how I'm just here to be the bitch who tells everyone no we can't just yeet Mac, as soon as he accepts death I will bring him back to life and make sure he suffers through all 48 hours

And eventually you will probably just vote me. I wish Nook was here.

I still can't find him calling you town or anything else in a long while.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Really though Tony is the poisoner until he claims. He's probably the poisoner after he claims.

[Esooa]

nanook told me over night that allcrab and Mac would be a decent Poe for today.

[Esooa]

Really though Tony is the poisoner until he claims. He's probably the poisoner after he claims.

what if we just kill him for not claiming. That would be fun

[MacDougall]

I like how I'm just here to be the bitch who tells everyone no we can't just yeet Mac, as soon as he accepts death I will bring him back to life and make sure he suffers through all 48 hours

And eventually you will probably just vote me. I wish Nook was here.

I still can't find him calling you town or anything else in a long while.

He told Guillo he town read me then proceeded to spend the entire day yesterday pushing onto not me.

[MacDougall]

nanook told me over night that allcrab and Mac would be a decent Poe for today.

Okay well fuck him then I'm glad he's dead lol.

[Allcrab]

My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

[Allcrab]

nanook told me over night that allcrab and Mac would be a decent Poe for today.

Okay well fuck him then I'm glad he's dead lol.

mood

[MacDougall]

My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

You and LoMo can clear me overnight I already explained this.

[Esooa]

the night before that he did tell guillo Mac was town. His read was not the same last night though. I don't know how it is reflected in thread

[Esooa]

My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

that's literally the same thing with Mac

[MacDougall]

I can use my muse to target someone. Doesn't matter who. You both target me and you get a role and an action.

[MacDougall]

I guess mafia could fuck my plan lol.

[Allcrab]

My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

You and LoMo can clear me overnight I already explained this.

How?

Like even if I was the normal version of my role that seems unlikely.

[Allcrab]

Okay wait I need to double check something.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Tony doesn't claim before I go to sleep I might endorse chopping him today and leaving a cycle to sort Mac, Alison, and the rest.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What is accomplished by "clearing" Mac? Perhaps it eliminates him as poisoner. Does it have any bearing on mafia/town?

[MacDougall]

What is accomplished by "clearing" Mac? Perhaps it eliminates him as poisoner. Does it have any bearing on mafia/town?

It's a shame there is apparently no tracker.

I guess my role could reasonably be a mafia role given there was a town roleblocker.

[Allcrab]

I can use my muse to target someone. Doesn't matter who. You both target me and you get a role and an action.

okay

1. How does me targeting you do that? From what I can tell all your role does is prevent RBs?
2. Why tf did you holster n5?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner on Mac

Spoiler: show

Hi. How's wolf chat?

That's a good question. Can you ask the wolves for me? I need to take more notes. I miss QTs; they were a lot simpler. I get too distracted in Discord with all the emoji options. Plus, Idk if Cindy Kate will like my gif game. But they are still probably going to get some of it.

It was years ago, but some people know of it. I just assumed I must have told you about it or brought it up in another game.

Nope. On the rare occasion I encounter that (that is, Glorfindel) I prefer to respect a player's wishes anyway.

How about this instead: any initial impressions?

Tangy is talkative. That's normal for her from what I remember.

Nutella's first post pinged me a little...not sure if I have really heard upgaymers? in a sentence before..it could be nai, it's just a bit out there for me which...on this first date I expect there is more not less of it to come (almost spelled that wrong) I think I need to get out more

Mac could be town if I remember his meta right. If memory serves, he's like more gunho as town...idk, I think that's right

You (JJJ) could be anything..light town for now

I need to read more posts though from the others.

I need to see more of Sonny's posts.

My vote on Sloonei is an old PerC tell where when scum don't know what to say on day 1 they make a questionnaire. I think the context of it was how it was determined whether it was scummy or nai, but it has been awhile.

Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh

got anything to say about nutellagate?

What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

let me be the first to say that I believe owner lol

@Owner of a Lonely Heart so you described yourself as a fruit vendor before, are you described as a fruit vendor or something else?

I'm not sure if I like this fishing. Someone was talking about it looked like the opening implied that role claiming was a bad thing. In case by chance I survive, I would like to not outright claim it all to prevent something like soup kill.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

I guess if it was a more important role I would be worried if it didn't go through, but if they didn't get it, it wasn't super important. It would just make the claim more believable.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?

I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.

Is this not just outing

It felt like seanzie was trying to trap me. I don't like being boxed into what someone wants me to do. I would rather give myself time to think things through.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?

I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.

Refer to the description in pink. Does it make sense to have that thought process, and arrive at Gavial as your final conclusion?

Like JJJ and Gavial have already shown on D1 that their thought processes don't necessarily mesh. If your goal was to maximize progress made with someone who can keep up with him, wouldn't Sloonei be the obvious choice? Or Mac, or myself?

Also, what does "I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts" mean?? All Owner knew at the time they made the call to send the fruits was that the passion fruit was "lucky". They would have no information that it would give those two a chat, that's something that we only inferred once we realized the passion fruit sent them on a date together.

The more I look at that claim post the more I feel like it's actually a scumslip.

Because of our clashing, I wasn't going to give it to you. Mac and Sloonei, I debated about, but I went with Gavial as I wanted someone who was likely to be alive the next day.

Ah, I guess I do have to say it then. My role is called Cupid. So seeing Cupid + passion fruit = I thought sex, but then I thought in terms of mafia roles, I thought like a mason or neighborizer chat that's protected or something, 'cause lucky. I assume pomegranate is like lovers chat, so I'm not entirely sure if I really want to use that one. Banana sounds like a lesser of passion fruit. Or maybe it is unprotected, but I don't know. If there is a soup kill in the game, I would be fine with going out that way. I mean I don't want to go, but at the same time, I don't have all the time needed to really be full on active this game. I pose as a distraction, but if we could prevent a mislynch that would be kind of cool.

But I don't necessarily expect everyone see it that way.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart what made you make made when you could have made nutella?

At that point, I was treating the upgaymers as similar to Sloonei saying the word spicy, as it being a cultural thing. I didn't have any reason to push them. Nutella had talked more than made I think. Nutella had presence and Made didn't, so made was also kind of just in POE.

Almost none of this makes me feel anything at all. I will talk about one post separately.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I can use my muse to target someone. Doesn't matter who. You both target me and you get a role and an action.

okay

1. How does me targeting you do that? From what I can tell all your role does is prevent RBs?
2. Why tf did you holster n5?

I had hoped that I would be cleared by you and figured anywhere I put the role would just increase the risk of me looking like mafia.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Save me daddy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh

got anything to say about nutellagate?

What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

This is the interaction I said I'd discuss separately.

There was a brief exchange between mafia Sonny and mafia Owner in which neither of them said anything of note. Mac butted in to poke Owner about mafia nutella"gate". Owner's response is both a joke and a non-answer. This was during Day 1, so nutella was still alive.

nutella didn't give a single crap about Mac's accusations. This suggests Owner didn't either. Why do they gotta be so bizarre and confuse JJJ 5 cycles later? Someone please interpret.

[Alison]

You’re right that Alison has been cruising a bit for someone deep in the POE pool. I will let her answer to that before saying more, though I am mindful of the clock. Day ends in 16.5 hours.

I have done more solving than anyone this day phase except JJJ.

Also I have locked myself into an extremely tiny world if I am scum so it should become obvious if I am.

[Alison]

there's also been comments today from Alison I REALLY didn't like BTW

such as her saying Mac is trying to expand the PoE which is wolfy

at this time Mac actually had 2 people he wanted to kill... one mafia one poisoner

I actually called him out for not talking about people outside those two soon before Alison somehow said he's expanding the PoE

I think Macs response to both my and Allison's comments here was good. He said "maybe I am expanding the PoE but I don't care" -- I'd expect Mac here to get more combative with Alison but it kinda felt to me like he recognized what I was saying about having a closed focus and looked outside those two and thusly accepted Allison's criticism/his place in the PoE

He was opening cases on like five people

[MacDougall]

It's just tactics for dealing with me. It's not unusual. No selling me has become quite common.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who thinks TangyStarkPrime is NOT the poisoner?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why allcrab tho

This is literally the only time nutella mentioned Allcrab in her posts until after her elimination was locked.

[MacDougall]

@TonyStarkPrime just claim dude.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner on Allcrab

Spoiler: show

Everyone quick vote AllCrab before he gets into thread!
If he’s yeeted Anyone who voted them gets free town credit tomorrow!

Is this a common thing you do? Or more of an one off?

not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk

A wagon on me not forming would have been weird. What are your reads like owner?

I have more reads on non-PerC people. this is the first post I've really seen from you. I haven't read anything from Belzy, Kito, crab (not that I know how to even read crab, i seen a few of act's posts.

I should have more time after church tomorrow.

I just found out that Allcrab is Fable...I didn't know that until this moment.

@Allcrab

Spoiler: show

Also, why are you in some peoples' POE? I'm asking for a friend.

Better question why did you not self-pres onto nutella and try to do it onto made instead?

There's been multiple games where self-presing has gotten me mislynched instead, so in my mind it isn't always the best option.

Not much here either. If the mafia team forgot Allcrab exists that should be a positive for him. The last post in the spoiler is one of the most overtly suspicious that Owner produced in this game, so it's another decent thing that Allcrab brought it into the world with his question.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sonnycrush on Allcrab

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bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Err, is this TMI?

I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.

It implied you knew Made's alignment.

And yes, I've seen you addressed this now.

I've seen people say this twice now and not for nothing even if wagons were w/w I still think bunny's vote makes them village because I would assume wolves would have a preference of who goes down between made/nutella.

That's probably fair.

Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.

It's a Sonny!!!! I was totes excited to see that you were signed up to play. Is lomo here yet? Also, Kito too...would be great to see his thoughts

Kito should be sleeping but has been active, he did discover the he can vote without posting so that's lol

So far Bunny, Belzy, LoMo, Sean and Allcrab haven't posted.

Scha-weet!

Read Nutella's interactions overnight and this is what I take from it (well all but the last page where she was just open wolfing imo). Haven't caught up on today yet so it's unevolved.

[SNIP]

Allcrab: No interactions

Nothing from orangecrush. The first exchange in there looks like an interaction of opposed players.

Allcrab is town. He doesn't fit well as mafia and is near-cleared from poisoner.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia remains among [Mac, Gnome, Alison]

Unless someone wants to show me a good case against lost monkey, and I would listen to that -- there's nowhere else for mafia to be.*

*As I type this I remember Martin exists, so I will check him out too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella on Martin

Spoiler: show

Strong town
Jay
Sonny
Guillo
Tangy

Town leans
Gnome
Alison
Martin I guess sheeping alison
Dana
Mac
Sloonei
Hawk? Liked their style
Act maybe at this point

Gav Nook LC are more tbd
Dont remember anyone else

Going to sleep for like 12 hours gl

And if I take Alison to be town it's best to sheep her on Martin 100%, they are just the same alignment always

So if theyre town I'm wrong on some ppl

That's it. I have no evidence that nutella is aware of Martin's existence if not for Alison requesting sheeping.

[MartinGG99]

This is the kind of content I had in mind when I decided to investigate Alison by way of mafia's treatment of her exclusively. The town player archetypes I would associate Alison with (e.g. aggressive hunters, logicians, one-way conversationalists) tend to invoke charged responses from the people they accuse, particularly when the accusations are correct. I highlighted some things from Owner that I think reflect that spirit. Alison's aggression knocked Owner off-balance in a manner that is visible, and Owner's efforts to bring the dialogue back into a place she felt she could control can be seen in her assuaging language. "Hate is a strong word" / "You seem strong-willed" / "Alison's personality is strong, but I don't think that makes her mafia" -- this kind of stuff all reflects well on Alison. I welcome arguments from anyone that disagrees.

I think the quotes you point out speak for themselves tbh; even without considering what you propose are typical responses to !town Alison's playstyle, I think a lot of these highlighted comments are just hard to come by in usual wolf-to-wolf posting. The only reasonable complaints I can think of here are that some of them feel like they could be intentional softballs but other comments just feel too awkward to be a softball or anything really. Don't think it could be targeted distancing either; I think for some amount of time Alison was well-established in thread so if any distancing were to be done it should be with other, less-secure, mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner never mentioned Martin at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is now the most posts I have ever made in a Mafia game after 10 years of play. I surpass my previous personal record in... The Syndicate / RYM crossover game.

I like these.

[MacDougall]

lol at me thousand posting and being top of the POE.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

lol at me thousand posting and being top of the POE.

Is this supposed to be dubious or surprising?

[MacDougall]

lol at me thousand posting and being top of the POE.

Is this supposed to be dubious or surprising?

its just funny to me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

its just funny to me

The price one pays for already having dropped 1k as mafia once.

[MartinGG99]

Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh

got anything to say about nutellagate?

What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

This is the interaction I said I'd discuss separately.

There was a brief exchange between mafia Sonny and mafia Owner in which neither of them said anything of note. Mac butted in to poke Owner about mafia nutella"gate". Owner's response is both a joke and a non-answer. This was during Day 1, so nutella was still alive.

nutella didn't give a single crap about Mac's accusations. This suggests Owner didn't either. Why do they gotta be so bizarre and confuse JJJ 5 cycles later? Someone please interpret.

Well if I assume Mac is a wolf....

I think this in the time's context might help explain it a bit. It just happened.

okay

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

If I searched correctly, and no secret votes, this was the 4th vote. Mac may have been egging Owner on to try and get a good look on the situation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sonnycrush on Martin

Spoiler: show

Martin is lock town never rescind.

Why?

Alison reps a godread on Martin so just sheep it.

Err, I mean good to know, would still like to see if for myself if it's something she can articulate.

Scha-weet!

Read Nutella's interactions overnight and this is what I take from it (well all but the last page where she was just open wolfing imo). Haven't caught up on today yet so it's unevolved.

[SNIP]

MartinGG99: Calls Martin town because "I guess sheeping Alison", says the same thing again later, low effort here - dunno

I'd answer but I have no idea, apparently @Alison is the Martin-whisperer and the one to ask.

I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back

My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember

The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol

Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times

Did you see my post to Hawk? I asked her some questions and brought up some things that don’t make sense to me. Can you make sense of my concerns?

I think they think they wasted a shot because Alison was already healed by Martin so they both healed the same person which would mean one shot was wasted.

But then instead of saying that it kind of looks like they think they wasted a shot because they were roleblocked but I don't think that would affect a day action lol

So it's all a bit confusiong and doesn't really make sense as an entire post

I do agree a shot was wasted though if both targeted Alison

@orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

@orangecrush I am currently leaning towards using my shot on you. You are not allowed to say that you want me to do this. If you are town, shooting you ensures a town death. Please give me a better name to pick than yours.

Sorry, I just think there is good sense to it, especially as I don't want people to waste time on me, also I understand many people here haven't played with me and will find me hard to clear as town on play

If you need a better name I'd just point you toward my reads so far

Gnome or Mac or maybe Martin as if Martin can be confirmed town healer it would help us with Alisom also

Sonny's treatment of Martin mirrors nutella's. Martin only exists in conjunction with Alison. The same goes for orangecrush with the exception of a single independent town read on Martin. That one post could be called the most questionable for Martin, since he's the only viable option among OC's town reads that I think can still be mafia. If Martin is town then OC's town list of seven had zero teammates in it. Could be, but would be unsusual.

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome how do you feel overall about all of these people:

Mac
Alison
Allcrab
lost monkey

In order from towniest to scummiest:
Allcrab
lost monkey
Alison
Mac

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In order from towniest to scummiest:
Allcrab
lost monkey
Alison
Mac

Thanks beardyboo. Could you explain what gets you to this order just briefly? Maybe a few words or a sentence for each name?

[Alison]

I'm going to go to bed soon so I'll just point this out. If I am a wolf I have gone to great pains to screw myself into a ridiculously tight POE by continuing to trust Martin, townreading Allcrab, and arguing that Gnome can't be mafia lover even when suspicion on her was raised. I am basically committing myself to a solve of exactly Mac and TSP. In my view you should seriously consider just following that solve. If I am town it is a good solve. If I am scum then the flips there will out me.