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[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Presuming there's 1 mafia left, as there should be, it's probably better to get the mafia and not the poisoner unless you got less of a clue as to who's mafia.

Poison takes time to kill.

[Alison]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Presuming there's 1 mafia left, as there should be, it's probably better to get the mafia and not the poisoner unless you got less of a clue as to who's mafia.

Poison takes time to kill.

the delay doesn't matter for parity purposes, and poisoner POE is lower because we can exclude watcher claims (and you) from being poisoner but we can't exclude them from being mafia.

furthermore if we are wrong and there are 2 mafia then we should 100% go for poisoner first to reduce KP.

in my view mac/TSP are the only viable poisoners

[MacDougall]

I'm going to go to bed soon so I'll just point this out. If I am a wolf I have gone to great pains to screw myself into a ridiculously tight POE by continuing to trust Martin, townreading Allcrab, and arguing that Gnome can't be mafia lover even when suspicion on her was raised. I am basically committing myself to a solve of exactly Mac and TSP. In my view you should seriously consider just following that solve. If I am town it is a good solve. If I am scum then the flips there will out me.

Look out shes arson!

[MacDougall]

Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh

got anything to say about nutellagate?

What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

This is the interaction I said I'd discuss separately.

There was a brief exchange between mafia Sonny and mafia Owner in which neither of them said anything of note. Mac butted in to poke Owner about mafia nutella"gate". Owner's response is both a joke and a non-answer. This was during Day 1, so nutella was still alive.

nutella didn't give a single crap about Mac's accusations. This suggests Owner didn't either. Why do they gotta be so bizarre and confuse JJJ 5 cycles later? Someone please interpret.

Well if I assume Mac is a wolf....

I think this in the time's context might help explain it a bit. It just happened.

okay

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

If I searched correctly, and no secret votes, this was the 4th vote. Mac may have been egging Owner on to try and get a good look on the situation.

Bruh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Who thinks TangyStarkPrime is NOT the poisoner?

personally i do

[MacDougall]

Who thinks TangyStarkPrime is NOT the poisoner?

personally i do

Claim plz.

[Alison]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Look out shes arson!

I am seriously running out of mafia here. Every analysis I do points to you or Gnome. What do you think of Gnome?

[MacDougall]

Look out shes arson!

I am seriously running out of mafia here. Every analysis I do points to you or Gnome. What do you think of Gnome?

I think she's a lovely person.

[Garden Gnome]

I'm going to go to bed soon so I'll just point this out. If I am a wolf I have gone to great pains to screw myself into a ridiculously tight POE by continuing to trust Martin, townreading Allcrab, and arguing that Gnome can't be mafia lover even when suspicion on her was raised. I am basically committing myself to a solve of exactly Mac and TSP. In my view you should seriously consider just following that solve. If I am town it is a good solve. If I am scum then the flips there will out me.

Yes, I agree with this.
I too am going to bed.
In the morning, I will continue to try to figure out who could be a wolf and who could be a poisoner.
Good night, Alison.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think she's a lovely person.

I accept your concession.

[MacDougall]

I guess one moustache the question, at this stage of the game when all signs point somewhere doesn't that indicate that there is a reason for that? I believe that if I was on this mafia team I would have made a different choice about 12 times.

[MacDougall]

I think she's a lovely person.

I accept your concession.

It's not tho.

[MacDougall]

We are just going around and around. My opinions aren't going to change and every time you ask me to come up with something knew I get accused of widening the POE or some shit so I'm just at the point where I'm just like whatever.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I guess one moustache the question, at this stage of the game when all signs point somewhere doesn't that indicate that there is a reason for that? I believe that if I was on this mafia team I would have made a different choice about 12 times.

Usually the reason is that it's correct.

Most of my recent analysis hasn't even featured Mac posts or Mac decisions. Perhaps you're a victim of circumstance, but sometimes mafia just are.

I keep asking you to talk about Gnome and you flip me the bird, so you're going to die.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I trust the Owner/Alison interaction as slipping Alison as town. I think its even more so when Owner seems to "agree" with a post that considers Alison that distinctly considers her town...on the day Alison was poisoned. My own attempts at looking at Mac/Alison handlings in order to decide which didn't really yield me any comfortable results or thoughts.

I probably would still consider it to be the same if Mac flipped somehow.

Also side-note Owner did a meme/image response to nutella in her ISO and like only other person she ever did that to was Mac but I don't think its super AI but it did catch my eye

[TonyStarkPrime]

Who thinks TangyStarkPrime is NOT the poisoner?

personally i do

Claim plz.

i'm immune to the first kill/poison on me. i think this was n1, since sloonei's still alive. that's all.

[MartinGG99]

flipped town

ebwop

[TonyStarkPrime]

btw i still think it's gnome

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner on lost monkey

Spoiler: show

Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.

It's a Sonny!!!! I was totes excited to see that you were signed up to play. Is lomo here yet? Also, Kito too...would be great to see his thoughts

not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk

not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk

I really hate this AtE.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

It's not AtE. It's I see 4 votes on lomo that look steady or have been there for a period of time. Generally like 4 or 5 votes on someone is like there is probably scum in that wagon. Or it could mean like a cop check or something, but generally day 1 a wagon that size and potentially unmoving is kind of meh for me.

So from that point of view, I think he might be town, but I have yet to read his posts, so I don't know yet.

What do you think about LoMo? He's got a rep of being LHF at mafia cafe, do you think that is being carried over to this site? Or do you still think it is a biased syndicate reason?
Cause... i dont think the syndicate would be hosting a cross over mafia game event with PerC if they didnt welcome foreigners. Dont you think?

Back in the day, lomo was who I would sometimes aspire to be in terms of town players. He had these incredible reads and scum fear killed him regularly at some point. But his play nowadays isn't quite what I remember of it. I'll have to read his posts. I don't know. Just coming into this site, I see the vote count more frequently than I usually see a vote count on PerC/MafiaCafe. So I'm calling it out. I'm like hey I don't know how long wagons have been there, but anything above 3 votes generally makes me suspicious of the wagon itself.

The way nutella pushes Owner is very bad. nutella has a stubbornness and conviction when she is town that is not present in her push of Owner. I believe she wants the thread to see her pushing Owner but without actually lending bite to the push. Furthermore when she came under heavy fire she immediately amplified the theatricality of her Owner push ("say something game related or die"). But when an alternative push that isn't Owner comes up (Lost Monkey) she jumps straight onto it, while also winking and nodding at the suggestion that LoMo has TMI'd Owner to be town.

I think they are very compatible as buddies. You can call this preflip association if you want, but both of them have been individually scummy and nutella's progression on Owner doesn't make sense.

I think some people push on me because a lot of our thoughts don't line up or they have a hard time seeing what I'm saying. I must have missed the part about that to lomo.

LoMo talking about my play I feel he would do as either alignment. Or I feel like a lot of us from PerC will talk about each other it isn't something that one would necessarily use for just one alignment. I don't know. I feel LoMo talking about it either NAI or more potentially a town lean. I'm still really behind. I have read the first 6 pages out of 38. And I have read some of the conversations around when I have been posting in the thread, everything else I have not really read or had time to read.

Not a lot here, and most of it is meh. The most interesting material comes from Owner's response to Alison's accusation of appealing to emotion. That Owner pooh-poohed the lost monkey wagon of Day 1 before she even knew anything about monkey's posts might be a sign of TMI (in monkey's favor).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tony is the poisoner. The kill immunity portion of that claim can even be true. That's very typical of 3rd parties.

Also seems dubious that this is the role that needs to be hidden forever.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony is the poisoner. The kill immunity portion of that claim can even be true. That's very typical of 3rd parties.

Also seems dubious that this is the role that needs to be hidden forever.

shrug i thought I could draw a kill

[MacDougall]

I guess one moustache the question, at this stage of the game when all signs point somewhere doesn't that indicate that there is a reason for that? I believe that if I was on this mafia team I would have made a different choice about 12 times.

Usually the reason is that it's correct.

Most of my recent analysis hasn't even featured Mac posts or Mac decisions. Perhaps you're a victim of circumstance, but sometimes mafia just are.

I keep asking you to talk about Gnome and you flip me the bird, so you're going to die.

I've already talked about Gnome enough. My opinion hasn't changed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tony is the poisoner. The kill immunity portion of that claim can even be true. That's very typical of 3rd parties.

Also seems dubious that this is the role that needs to be hidden forever.

shrug i thought I could draw a kill

by being the only person in the game without a claim in a replacement slot surrounded by thousand posters, confirmed town, and various other goodies

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah wolves hate surprises

[MacDougall]

btw i still think it's gnome

You were a good boi.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ironically I could see the mafia shooting Tony because they think he's the poisoner.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ironically I could see the mafia shooting Tony because they think he's the poisoner.

i did think of this

[JaggedJimmyJay]

btw i still think it's gnome

To be clear you think Gnome is the poisoner?

[TonyStarkPrime]

no gnome is mafia, allcrab's probably still the poisoner, mac's a red herring

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Garden Gnome surviving is wifom at this point. I don't think Gnome is the sort of person who could fool Jay of their alignment in a night chat so I am just gonna sheep his read of her and ignore the mech.

For me the mafia is very likely just Martin. I think the poisoner is probably Alison and she has a fake poison.

Mac this is the only thing you've said about Gnome on Day 6 other than wondering aloud if she and I could be mafia teammates or asking blank questions about her.

It isn't clear precisely why you voted her or where your head is at.

[TonyStarkPrime]

as a hypothetical, if you were to think I were the poisoner I think there would be decent reason to think that I have mechanical information which might incriminate GG but that's on you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would appreciate if folks could please provide their reactions to Tony's role claim.

[Alison]

>be poisoner
>town has two poison healers and a one-shot poisonproof and a roleblocker and a tracker that can track you straight to the person who is very publicly poisoned.
>have no team to help you out, lose the game instantly if you die

Does anyone believe this? I don't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

as a hypothetical, if you were to think I were the poisoner I think there would be decent reason to think that I have mechanical information which might incriminate GG but that's on you

Gnome is one of my top suspects.

[Alison]

(Basically there's already enough anti-poison stuff - like two claimed poison healers - for me to believe that TSP also has a protection against poison)

[TonyStarkPrime]

(Basically there's already enough anti-poison stuff - like two claimed poison healers - for me to believe that TSP also has a protection against poison)

do you have an explanation for GG surviving yet

[MacDougall]

Garden Gnome surviving is wifom at this point. I don't think Gnome is the sort of person who could fool Jay of their alignment in a night chat so I am just gonna sheep his read of her and ignore the mech.

For me the mafia is very likely just Martin. I think the poisoner is probably Alison and she has a fake poison.

Mac this is the only thing you've said about Gnome on Day 6 other than wondering aloud if she and I could be mafia teammates or asking blank questions about her.

It isn't clear precisely why you voted her or where your head is at.

I am pretty much just trying to survive. I am as clear on proceedings as you at this point. But I wouldn't be surprised if its auto anyway so I don't care so much.

[TonyStarkPrime]

your explanation is that martin, who has trust told NEVER fake claiming as town, is lying about having one shot which he used on a deep-POE suspect and then never claimed it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Tony should be today's chop.

[TonyStarkPrime]

as someone who is cleared not mafia i think that would be a bad idea

[Alison]

(Basically there's already enough anti-poison stuff - like two claimed poison healers - for me to believe that TSP also has a protection against poison)

do you have an explanation for GG surviving yet

no, not really.

fake poison, miscellaneous weird mechanics, gnome being immune due to being mafia are the three most common theories.

gnome is townie on play however and according to mac fake poisons are a common thing on here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Every Gnome town read in this thread is bad.

[TonyStarkPrime]

apparently they're really polarized. maybe that'd point to martin?

[Alison]

I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).

I mean ok, let's exe Tony and then look at his ISO for possible spew on Gnome if he's poisoner (very likely).

[Alison]

Every Gnome town read in this thread is bad.

I happen to think my gnome town read is quite good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).

I mean ok, let's exe Tony and then look at his ISO for possible spew on Gnome if he's poisoner (very likely).

Agreed.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).

I mean ok, let's exe Tony and then look at his ISO for possible spew on Gnome if he's poisoner (very likely).

as a hypothetical, if you were to think I were the poisoner I think there would be decent reason to think that I have mechanical information which might incriminate GG but that's on you

i think at some point it goes past spew

[Alison]

okay so he's just claiming poisoner and that he doesn't know why his poison failed