The Fall of Númenor - Game Over!

[Wiml]

Reading HK's ISO, it reads strongly like he had a red check on Deli, but I can't decipher any meaning from his throwaway line on Marmot

Haven't read it but I'm confident he had mech reasons to doubt their claim and didn't want to out.

The question is mostly if he had another PR read in mind or a red check, I'm leaning the latter?

[Wiml]

okay no this makes sense

if he tracked Deli to Wiml and there was no kill, then his belief of me calling Esooa a liar parses (he even later says if he were the real doctor, he wouldn't directly CC the claim, softing that he thinks I'm CCing), and it explains his IMMEDIATE vote for Deli when Deli claims they JK'd Mac instead of Wiml if HK actually saw Deli go to Wiml

Good catch. I think this is correct.

[Gavial]

I think deli is the mafia in that difference check, hk vote and calling out could be cause they tracked and didn't see them go anywhere n1, coupled with hk nk, I think points towards deli

Oh you trying to frame them but we will see what Deli flips.

[Wiml]

Can we agree Esooa is likely town here?

If yes, then I think it may be more optimal for us to always lynch Deli here. If Deli flips jailkeeper then we almost always lynch NANOOK the next day. If Deli flips mafia then we can solve Marmot/me the next day.

I think she enjoys wolfing too much than to waste a wolf game on a D2 doc claim tbh.

[Wiml]

Fwiw also, if Esooa was a wolf then Mac would probably be the N1K.

[Creature]

Fwiw also, if Esooa was a wolf then Mac would probably be the N1K.

aka Deli's JK target N1?

[Wiml]

Fwiw also, if Esooa was a wolf then Mac would probably be the N1K.

aka Deli's JK target N1?

Yeah.

Fwiw I'm usually not bad at reading Esooa so if her alignment is in doubt I can go over her ISO again and check some stuff out.

[Creature]

I think Deli probably dies today but let's not have a bad early hammer?

Yeah, I think I'll wait for everybody to weigh in on what they think about lynching Deli first. Not sure if I can really do anything today until the PR claims have been sorted.

Still hesitate because Nanook could be scum.
Thus if Deli flips Town I’m omega voting Nanook into a death tunnel tomorrow.

Yep, if Deli flips town NANOOK is probably always wolf here.

[Deli]

oh shit I'm still alive? thought for sure I was obviously going to be the NK :O

catching up now

[Syn]

pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

[Deli]

Heh

So, scum are pretty fucked

I'm the parity cop i have a difference check between Marmot and creature

HK's flip means there's also a difference check between esooa and deli


Dab

I believe Esooa, you however, I don't believe. If true, it makes sense the way you've played it but I have a really hard time believing Esooa claims with no pressure there

[Deli]

pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

tbh this doesn't feel cool to me, and I'm not sure how you get that vibe. Some FPS is happening here and we're getting rocked.

[Creature]

pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

That's what I felt too.

[Deli]

I JK'd Wiml fwiw, I figured they were worried about him and it would keep him safe from the NK and that Esooa probably doctors herself. not really sure how Esooa plays doctor there but it was my best guess. Didn't think I'd survive given the gamestate

[Syn]

Heh

So, scum are pretty fucked

I'm the parity cop i have a difference check between Marmot and creature

HK's flip means there's also a difference check between esooa and deli


Dab

I believe Esooa, you however, I don't believe. If true, it makes sense the way you've played it but I have a really hard time believing Esooa claims with no pressure there

she absolutely would and has done so before

[Deli]

pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

That's what I felt too.

"oh shit I'm alive" yeah a fucking joyous entry, wtaf is going on.

Nanook/Syn/Creature probably the wolf team, possibly Nanook/Mac/? would make sense since we're getting railroaded.

[Syn]

I JK'd Wiml fwiw, I figured they were worried about him and it would keep him safe from the NK and that Esooa probably doctors herself. not really sure how Esooa plays doctor there but it was my best guess. Didn't think I'd survive given the gamestate

this does not pass the basic logic sniff test

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm confused about how the difference is between me/deli and marmot/creature

what are your NAs?

N1 Marmot quenya
N2 creature sindarin

Theres a difference between you and deli cause you're both claiming pr and hk flipped tracker, meaning one of you is lying

[Deli]

I JK'd Wiml fwiw, I figured they were worried about him and it would keep him safe from the NK and that Esooa probably doctors herself. not really sure how Esooa plays doctor there but it was my best guess. Didn't think I'd survive given the gamestate

this does not pass the basic logic sniff test

it made sense to me at the time

[Creature]

pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

That's what I felt too.

"oh shit I'm alive" yeah a fucking joyous entry, wtaf is going on.

Nanook/Syn/Creature probably the wolf team, possibly Nanook/Mac/? would make sense since we're getting railroaded.

If NANOOK is wolf here they probably just try to line two mislynches in Marmot and me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was starting to tinfoil Deli pre-claim. Their claim makes sense from a wolf perspective to self pres and to discredit me I suppose? Hk's death points to Deli being a wolf too.

I am shocked if Esooa is wolfing tbh.

After my initial reaction that he wouldn't lie, I need to assess the merits of a Nook fake claim here (he's a PoE slot and getting two miselims before dying is probably a good trade). But if Nook is a wolf candidate we never chop him today so he can get another peek.

Sorry if ly thoughts are scattered, I'm really exhausted right now and will try to contribute better shortly.

I'm not getting another peek lol I always die tonight

[Syn]

How many games have you played with Mac, Deli?

[Deli]

How many games have you played with Mac, Deli?

I've never played a game with Mac, unless he was in a big mash on pog and I'm not recalling him.

[Deli]

I've only been playing forum mafia for less than a year, and it's mostly been with the same 12-30ish people on POG lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

[Deli]

Who is Seth?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

As far as claims go dell's timing and their claim of a wiml target last night both look bad

Like wiml makes no sense as a target, you should be trying to block a kill last night not land a protect given the claims

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Who is Seth?

Gavial

[Wiml]

I was starting to tinfoil Deli pre-claim. Their claim makes sense from a wolf perspective to self pres and to discredit me I suppose? Hk's death points to Deli being a wolf too.

I am shocked if Esooa is wolfing tbh.

After my initial reaction that he wouldn't lie, I need to assess the merits of a Nook fake claim here (he's a PoE slot and getting two miselims before dying is probably a good trade). But if Nook is a wolf candidate we never chop him today so he can get another peek.

Sorry if ly thoughts are scattered, I'm really exhausted right now and will try to contribute better shortly.

I'm not getting another peek lol I always die tonight

Yeah I didn't realise about the strongman.

There are ways we can avoid you dying tonight if town (chopping in Marm/Creature/other PoE slot and having the wolves possibly not take the risk in a direct cc battle) but I'm not convinced that's the play.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was starting to tinfoil Deli pre-claim. Their claim makes sense from a wolf perspective to self pres and to discredit me I suppose? Hk's death points to Deli being a wolf too.

I am shocked if Esooa is wolfing tbh.

After my initial reaction that he wouldn't lie, I need to assess the merits of a Nook fake claim here (he's a PoE slot and getting two miselims before dying is probably a good trade). But if Nook is a wolf candidate we never chop him today so he can get another peek.

Sorry if ly thoughts are scattered, I'm really exhausted right now and will try to contribute better shortly.

I'm not getting another peek lol I always die tonight

Yeah I didn't realise about the strongman.

There are ways we can avoid you dying tonight if town (chopping in Marm/Creature/other PoE slot and having the wolves possibly not take the risk in a direct cc battle) but I'm not convinced that's the play.

Naw even if we kill in my difference check I still die, they can't afford me getting another check off, and they still have esooa to 1v1

[Syn]

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

interesting

I asked Deli how many games they've played with Mac because they've pushed him hard and now put him as your partner if we, town, are being railroaded, implying excellent wolf manipulation play, and specifically slotting in Mac for that

when they said no games, I immediately thought "the team is deli/marmot/gavial"

[Creature]

If it is Deli + Marmot, Kami is likely the last one as their interaction with Deli seemed bad.

If it is NANOOK, Mac is probably a wolf here for flipflopping on NANOOK. Third I dunno. Maybe Gavial?

[Syn]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[Deli]

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

interesting

I asked Deli how many games they've played with Mac because they've pushed him hard and now put him as your partner if we, town, are being railroaded, implying excellent wolf manipulation play, and specifically slotting in Mac for that

when they said no games, I immediately thought "the team is deli/marmot/gavial"

I've pushed mac hard because he is wolfy af, but when someone's avatar is "mafia god" and everyone who has played with them is afraid to push them, yeah I feel like that's a person who could open wolf and get away with it

It isn't me, and I'm fairly certain Marmot is village. You saying gavial makes me clear them.

[Syn]

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

interesting

I asked Deli how many games they've played with Mac because they've pushed him hard and now put him as your partner if we, town, are being railroaded, implying excellent wolf manipulation play, and specifically slotting in Mac for that

when they said no games, I immediately thought "the team is deli/marmot/gavial"

I've pushed mac hard because he is wolfy af, but when someone's avatar is "mafia god" and everyone who has played with them is afraid to push them, yeah I feel like that's a person who could open wolf and get away with it

It isn't me, and I'm fairly certain Marmot is village. You saying gavial makes me clear them.

lol yeah the team's nanook/mac/syn you got us

[Syn]

afraid to push mac... lmao

[MacDougall]

also rip on falcon being town. I was pretty surprised

[MacDougall]

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

interesting

I asked Deli how many games they've played with Mac because they've pushed him hard and now put him as your partner if we, town, are being railroaded, implying excellent wolf manipulation play, and specifically slotting in Mac for that

when they said no games, I immediately thought "the team is deli/marmot/gavial"

wellety wellety wellety

[MacDougall]

Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

[MacDougall]

Also I am pretty sure I am the best Falcon reader on Earth so you should probably sheep that read.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Deli is town, move your votes

[MacDougall]

Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

This is midway through Day 1, but falcon and Syn don't belong this high up.

Is that so mister is that so

[Gavial]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Why VT/Maf over PR/Maf?

[Gavial]

Thought you didn’t trust Nanook that much.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Why VT/Maf over PR/Maf?

Gavial please I'm working here.

[Gavial]

If Nanook is the fake one, Marmot/Creature could both be Town.

[MacDougall]

Marmot, Deli and Kami are the wolves.

[MacDougall]

If Nanook is the fake one, Marmot/Creature could both be Town.

Marmot is mafia to the tune of 100%.

[MacDougall]

My confidence in Marmot being a wolf is a little higher than Deli. But they are both super wolfy without the difference checks and are in difference checks with towny as fuck players.

Also HK died tunneling deli as a liar.

Game's not hard.

Kami looks like the third to me.