Bird Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

[EnderWiggin]

I was clearly looking for more lmao, town shouldn't give the absolute minimum because they are trying to be constructive and develop the conversation/content not shut it down with as minimal answer as they can get away with no?

Yes and no. Yes town should provide information. No town shouldn't entertain every dumb question that enters their field of vision.

You asked a leading question which leads nowhere except an accusation. Just start at which one they think more likely. Asking "Is it possible" is a dumb trap question.

[Esooa]

Which I don't mind if you're saying "ok possible but very unlikely"

What I'm not likely is how much I've to dig out of you? If you're town you're being difficult to work with and give out info, why? Can you not just give an actual answer people can work with rather than oh yes this is technically possible etc. Being literal is fine but it's very unhelpful and I'm getting that you don't want to contribute that much or upset the flow. Despite being in thread you're not doing a whole lot.

because I'm playing hereos of the storm rn

So you have enough time to read everything posted as soon as it's posted, reply instantly, vote, give opinions that suit you

But it stops for one or two little posts that might be slightly more difficult to answer and have you think on your feet?

I haven't been playing heroes of the storm since the game started.

[Duskfall]

I was clearly looking for more lmao, town shouldn't give the absolute minimum because they are trying to be constructive and develop the conversation/content not shut it down with as minimal answer as they can get away with no?

Yes and no. Yes town should provide information. No town shouldn't entertain every dumb question that enters their field of vision.

You asked a leading question which leads nowhere except an accusation. Just start at which one they think more likely. Asking "Is it possible" is a dumb trap question.

It really isn't lmao and even if was, highlighting it's a trap is better than nothing and would've been townier than avoiding any type of conversation or conflict outside their own terms

[Esooa]

Does anybody know of a HK wolf game where he came into the thread and actually engaged with fluffposting?

beezelbub the beningn on the syndicate

[Wiml]

@Long Con

Can you explain your vote on HK please?

[Wiml]

Does anybody know of a HK wolf game where he came into the thread and actually engaged with fluffposting?

beezelbub the beningn on the syndicate

Thanks! Unfortunately it's probably not AI then.

[EnderWiggin]

Does anybody know of a HK wolf game where he came into the thread and actually engaged with fluffposting?

beezelbub the beningn on the syndicate

Thanks! Unfortunately it's probably not AI then.

Anyone who has AI fluffposting probably learns to not do that pretty quick tbh.

[Wiml]

Does anybody know of a HK wolf game where he came into the thread and actually engaged with fluffposting?

beezelbub the beningn on the syndicate

Thanks! Unfortunately it's probably not AI then.

Anyone who has AI fluffposting probably learns to not do that pretty quick tbh.

I looked at his town games and he doesn't do it that often their either tbh but in the wolf games I read he seemed particularly no nonsense.

[Wiml]

It's probably a bad read to go down anyway tbh.

[Wiml]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

[EnderWiggin]

It really isn't lmao and even if was, highlighting it's a trap is better than nothing and would've been townier than avoiding any type of conversation or conflict outside their own terms

Okay so lemme just bring in the battleships. E4. Not a hit? Damn.

1. Esooa has already given her opinion on which of HK/Gav were town (#346 if I remember right)

2. Asking "Is it possible" is a trap question because you have to be hyper specific answering it otherwise you're likely to miss some part of it out. Nailing someone on not answering your trap question when they've already given their preference on the two in question is....

Skeevy.

I don't like it.

Consider yourself watched.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

[EnderWiggin]

Also I don't think requiring town to answer hyper specific trap questions or pointing them out is good.

It's completely unnecessary if all functioning parties have a brain.

[Wiml]

Right now the second best wagon is on a slot with 3 posts that has done nothing AI.

[EnderWiggin]

Sorry, meant "all parties have a functioning brain"

[Wiml]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

[Esooa]

I literally skimmed 70% of HK's posts cause he was getting mad and I didn't care and I completely skipped over Gav's case on him cause I didn't care about that either so I'm not gonna say much about them no matter how many times you ask. That's how mafia works

[EnderWiggin]

Right now the second best wagon is on a slot with 3 posts that has done nothing AI.

I'm on Orange for pressure purposes. No primary intent to lynch yet.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

I feel like you've already answered this, but if you haven't, gib reasons plas

[Esooa]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 106&t=2092

Beezelbub the benign. Had myself as town, Gavial as town, HK as scum (lynched day 1), Falcon as town, Long con as town.

[Esooa]

lmao

[Wiml]

Right now the second best wagon is on a slot with 3 posts that has done nothing AI.

I'm on Orange for pressure purposes. No primary intent to lynch yet.

Yeah I don't mind pressure votes there really, that was supposed to be more of a jab at everyone else's wagons.

[Wiml]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 106&t=2092

Beezelbub the benign. Had myself as town, Gavial as town, HK as scum (lynched day 1), Falcon as town, Long con as town.

Thanks!

[Esooa]

I skimmed the games LC linked

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Wiml]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

I feel like you've already answered this, but if you haven't, gib reasons plas

I think his entrance was really awkward (particularly the "what kind of scum are you?" question as well as "Damn son!"). Feels like he's trying way too hard to try to fit in and failing (which was why I made my original vote since I never explained it at the time).

I also don't like his reaction to my vote. Given that myself and Herm have never spoken or interacted at all before this game / my vote on Herm, the fact that Herm doesn't ask me for any sort of clarification on my vote but immediately says that I'm wilding (I'm not quote sure what he means here but I'm assuming it means that my vote is crazy) but not any sort of scumread on me if it's a bad vote feels really ingenuine to me (and I'm pretty sure this TMIs me town if Herm is a wolf) and then the insistence that I would come round on him (again, despite never having interacted with me before this exchange - I had barely posted at this point either and could be any random) doesn't feel like a genuine thought process at all.

Also something I thought was interesting from Herm's reaction was that he seemed to have implicitly known my vote on him was serious without any sort of explanation (and overreacted)? This is weak but it makes me feel like Herm is already feeling guilty/paranoid about posts they've made (which fits my narrative of struggling to fit in as a wolf) and reacted weirdly as a result?

Not as much to say on his later posts but a lot of of them (almost all of the earlier ones) are awkward-feeling fluff, questions that don't really go anywhere or just commentary. I also think that having his only scumreads being pretty much "because Gavial said so" is nagl (especially because I might be missing this but I don't think Herm actually outed a TR on Gavial anywhere?).

[Esooa]

now at this point Wiml and I have both written 1 case and both on the same player

See, we are the same player smh (Hally said earlier she doesn't think we are)

[Duskfall]

I literally skimmed 70% of HK's posts cause he was getting mad and I didn't care and I completely skipped over Gav's case on him cause I didn't care about that either so I'm not gonna say much about them no matter how many times you ask. That's how mafia works

At least ive learned you're the type of person that is negative utility talking to at the very least

[Esooa]

I literally skimmed 70% of HK's posts cause he was getting mad and I didn't care and I completely skipped over Gav's case on him cause I didn't care about that either so I'm not gonna say much about them no matter how many times you ask. That's how mafia works

At least ive learned you're the type of person that is negative utility talking to at the very least

sounds good to me. I don't really need other people to ask me questions

[Alison]

@Long Con

What's your top two non-HK reads?

Esooa, I don't really have another ping beyond that.

I can get on board with Alison and falcon as town.

What's your ping on Esooa?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

I feel like you've already answered this, but if you haven't, gib reasons plas

I think his entrance was really awkward (particularly the "what kind of scum are you?" question as well as "Damn son!"). Feels like he's trying way too hard to try to fit in and failing (which was why I made my original vote since I never explained it at the time).

I also don't like his reaction to my vote. Given that myself and Herm have never spoken or interacted at all before this game / my vote on Herm, the fact that Herm doesn't ask me for any sort of clarification on my vote but immediately says that I'm wilding (I'm not quote sure what he means here but I'm assuming it means that my vote is crazy) but not any sort of scumread on me if it's a bad vote feels really ingenuine to me (and I'm pretty sure this TMIs me town if Herm is a wolf) and then the insistence that I would come round on him (again, despite never having interacted with me before this exchange - I had barely posted at this point either and could be any random) doesn't feel like a genuine thought process at all.

Also something I thought was interesting from Herm's reaction was that he seemed to have implicitly known my vote on him was serious without any sort of explanation (and overreacted)? This is weak but it makes me feel like Herm is already feeling guilty/paranoid about posts they've made (which fits my narrative of struggling to fit in as a wolf) and reacted weirdly as a result?

Not as much to say on his later posts but a lot of of them (almost all of the earlier ones) are awkward-feeling fluff, questions that don't really go anywhere or just commentary. I also think that having his only scumreads being pretty much "because Gavial said so" is nagl (especially because I might be missing this but I don't think Herm actually outed a TR on Gavial anywhere?).

Okay I was a bit weird on Wiml before this and didn't have a solid read, but I like this content.

[Alison]

Esooa is trying to get you to dob in how you play as town or scum so she can call you on being similar to one or the other.

No. I actually want to learn how to read him accurately so I can go to Alison haha I can read him you can't

Good luck with that.

[Wiml]

Looking at HK's wolf game and more confident he's town here.

[Alison]

I kinda like Esooa so far. Might be trying to ride in my pocket but I just like their content so far.

Yeah this game, Esooa is just giving overall Townie vibes.

She's not that townie.

She's been tryharding lately though so it's a pretty good idea to wait and see if she comes out with something big.

[Alison]

so first of all

Herm has on read. It's a town read on me. He outed it after I wolf read him like close to 400 posts in the thread

Whether it's due to me wolf reading him or not, don't really know or care

But I think the fact that it's his only read, and that he outed it in such a weird way, means he's more likely mafia

It didn't feel natural. Why town read me then? He almost certainly didn't, so he had it before, so why not out it then?

Really all I can think is him going "I need to out some reads, Esooa is town"

Which can come from town? But it feels really scummy

Don't know if I'm explaining this properjly

I don't get why this is different from any of the other people townreading you

[Alison]

Seems like Alison pinged Don Wurzel.

I'm placing Alison in my very tiny townpool for now. Looking forward to interact with the Wurzel.

oh, there was also this

It's pretty meh. I didn't think Alison did anything towny but I also know her. Don't know how Herm would perceive it but I'd say it's a pretty expect reaction regardless of his alignment. "Alison is being loud, forceful with reads, etc, so town"

I think I've been the towniest person in the game at the point this post was made tbh.

It's just that you know it's in my scum range to be the towniest person in the game so you don't give me credit for it.

[Alison]

Is this gonna be a loss?

Yeah probably

wolfy post

[Esooa]

because I can track their town reads to the thread

herms not. which indicates to me it was made up

[Alison]

My problem with Herm is he seems to be trying to participate more than actually participating. He's asking a lot of questions, but they don't really do anything, at all. I don't even need a read out of them but I would like to know he's thinking about them at least. Which I don't get the idea he is really ever. Here's some of the questions/attempts at participation I'm talking about

Spoiler: show

Falcon, I have a question for you having read only 5% of the game so far.

What kind of scum are you?

Wiml is wildin hard.

I do encourage anyone to vote whoever though.

I will try to read into the votes though.

Updated some info about myself while everyone were busy pickpocketing!

Nice to meet everyone! Those who I have met with briefly before and those who I'm meeting for the first time.

The last quote just feels like he's having to force himself into thread. "Wiml is wildin hard" was immediately negated saying oh it was just a joke. Why does he say Wiml is wilding, say it was a joke, then end the topic? Does he not want to ask Wiml anything about Wiml's vote on him? These points are emphasized by posts like this

Caught up.

I enjoy all the bird memes. Pretty good stuff.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Long Con going for that long con.

Where after catchup, his summarizing post is "I enjoy the bird memes," or his vote is, "Long Con going for that long con."

Okay I will sheep.

[VOTE: Herm] aubergine

[Alison]

I looked at Wiml's posts and realized he didn't actually say anything about the vote other than voting. So maybe you didn't really give a fuck

I figure I know why Wiml voted you so I considered it serious myself though

Wouldn’t be surprised in Wiml/HK/Falcon team with some other random wolf.

Falcon is obvious town.

[Alison]

Yeah I agree with Ezooa's take on Wurzel. He makes himself obvious town as town.

so why is wurzel not making himself obvious town this game and has instead posted awkward self aware shit followed by dipping

[Esooa]

if it matters the town read on me I dislike the second most is actually enders. His reasons were fine but not something I found to be justified under any real scrutiny. Though that's sometimes just how early game reads go

[Alison]

Every reason I've seen for people voting HK right now is bad.

No it's not.

[Esooa]

Yeah I agree with Ezooa's take on Wurzel. He makes himself obvious town as town.

so why is wurzel not making himself obvious town this game and has instead posted awkward self aware shit followed by dipping

because he made next to no posts and it's not that long into day 1

[Alison]

if it matters the town read on me I dislike the second most is actually enders. His reasons were fine but not something I found to be justified under any real scrutiny. Though that's sometimes just how early game reads go

If Herm flips red I'll TR you

[Esooa]

if it matters the town read on me I dislike the second most is actually enders. His reasons were fine but not something I found to be justified under any real scrutiny. Though that's sometimes just how early game reads go

If Herm flips red I'll TR you

I've already moved on. And you'll probably tr anyways

[Alison]

Hey look at me, getting involved in conversations that started before I woke up.

If I can do it, you can.

Give me a read. I don't care if it's as weak as a nerd on first gym day.

I think this post expresses genuine annoyance at Creature's behavior, which is townie.

Not to ruin people townreading me, but I genuinely wasn't annoyed there. Just poking their response back at them.

I double down on town read (unlike Alison apparently oopsie its my read now)

why

[Alison]

if it matters the town read on me I dislike the second most is actually enders. His reasons were fine but not something I found to be justified under any real scrutiny. Though that's sometimes just how early game reads go

If Herm flips red I'll TR you

I've already moved on. And you'll probably tr anyways

If you do townie things I'll TR you.

Let me read your move off Herm.

[Alison]

Wrt my hk read:

It's mostly for meta/tone reasons. I've been looking for another HK wolf game to compare it to but you can't find them through his MU account for whatever reason.

Gavial is obvious town and HK is pushing him for bad reasons.

[Wiml]

Yeah I agree with Ezooa's take on Wurzel. He makes himself obvious town as town.

so why is wurzel not making himself obvious town this game and has instead posted awkward self aware shit followed by dipping

I'm pretty sure SoD is after he usually goes to bed (he's a fellow brit). He's self resolving and out of the 5 or so people I have no real read on he's the one I'm least concerned about right now.

[Alison]

being annoyed at creature is NAI because I get annoyed at stuff creature does regardless of my alignment. I still want townies to play even if I'm mafia. I'm saying why I feel that way because it probably applies to Ender too

I don't, I feel warm and happy inside when townies troll the game and I am wolf.