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HAMMER IS 3

Deli
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
If the green check is fake they knew Kami wasn’t cop, try again.
They probably didn't know who the cop was then, and instead of trying to guess who the real cop is, they tried to optimize their kill based on what would make them look the best coming into today? I don't know.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
it doesn’t matter if you chose the check yourself or not, no one is talking about that lol.

Luck claimed cop as well. They hard-claimedwith a correct, green check on orange and green on nanook. If the mafia wanted to use weird reasoning to get nanook cleared, that was the way to go.
and honestly, I don’t think that’s likely either. Literally so what that it’d give the town slight arguments to town-read nanook when it leaves the cop alive and allows them to get a REAL 100% certain check instead
Your reasoning still makes no sense.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I'm 100% on ejj being town tbh
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 2]

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Hyena wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:49 pm I feel stupid for who I peeked last night, by the way.
Hyena story checking out...
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 pm
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
If the green check is fake they knew Kami wasn’t cop, try again.
They probably didn't know who the cop was then, and instead of trying to guess who the real cop is, they tried to optimize their kill based on what would make them look the best coming into today? I don't know.
If your saying you’re the real cop then Nook is scum, which means they knew Kami was lying about a green check on them.

Aka the you’re the real cop theory is looking like scum theatre bcz of this.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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So if Nook is scum they know Kami’s not the cop.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 2]

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Hyena wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pm
Kami wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next
Talk to me about Luck. At EOD yesterday, I had thought there was higher chance Luck was mafia than Syn/MissSparkles based on Luckbox seeming uncomfortable chopping Alison and Esooa after seeming eager in the post where they told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them.
Except actually no...what is this post?
I was your N1 peek so why are you asking about me?
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 2]

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:16 pm
Hyena wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pm
Kami wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next
Talk to me about Luck. At EOD yesterday, I had thought there was higher chance Luck was mafia than Syn/MissSparkles based on Luckbox seeming uncomfortable chopping Alison and Esooa after seeming eager in the post where they told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them.
Except actually no...what is this post?
I was your N1 peek so why are you asking about me?
Because Hyena is scum
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 2]

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Hyena wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:54 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:53 pm
Hyena wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pm
Kami wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next
Talk to me about Luck. At EOD yesterday, I had thought there was higher chance Luck was mafia than Syn/MissSparkles based on Luckbox seeming uncomfortable chopping Alison and Esooa after seeming eager in the post where they told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them.
You've misinterpreted that post fwiw. I was both uncomfortable with it and also thinking you weren't crazy-- definitely not eager at all.
Is there a reason you didn't try to talk me out of going after them?
questioning me even
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Still hate your play on D2 Nook, but whatever
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I’m happy with a vote on creature. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

I’ll start considering if the mafia are throwing after he flips, not before that

willing to leave the cops alive for mafia to kill.

literally the only way you can convince me to vote elsewhere is if you find the 3rd scum, outside of [nanook, hyena, creature] and decide to go for that
gl with that tho
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Nanook v world:

Esooa, syn finger, nanook confirmed v

Hyena mafia

creature/deli/ejj/luckbox PoE

EJJ is town so creature/deli/luck

In hyena V world

Hyena, creature, luckbox, syn, esooa town

nanook mafia

deli/ejj/finger PoE
so

nanook V-Hyena/creature/deli/ejj/luck team

Hyena V-Deli/ejj/finger PoE
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I missed one for the hyena PoE? Oh I missed including nanook. Okay so 5 person PoE vs 4 person PoE, only cross-over is Ejj, who is just town,

So... What, the Hyena scum team is them+creature+(deli/luck).... I'll probably iron this out before EoD

Nanook scum team is Nanook/deli/finger exactly imo
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:19 pm
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Nanook v world:

Esooa, syn finger, nanook confirmed v

Hyena mafia

creature/deli/ejj/luckbox PoE

EJJ is town so creature/deli/luck

In hyena V world

Hyena, creature, luckbox, syn, esooa town

nanook mafia

deli/ejj/finger PoE
so

nanook V-Hyena/creature/deli/ejj/luck team

Hyena V-Deli/ejj/finger PoE
POE is a lot bigger for Nook as villager isn’t it? That has too be by design.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:21 pm I missed one for the hyena PoE? Oh I missed including nanook. Okay so 5 person PoE vs 4 person PoE, only cross-over is Ejj, who is just town,

So... What, the Hyena scum team is them+creature+(deli/luck).... I'll probably iron this out before EoD

Nanook scum team is Nanook/deli/finger exactly imo
You can in the Nook team by the by, i know if you’re town, you’re not gonna put yourself in the POE but it’s the truth even if I have you as town.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:12 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
it doesn’t matter if you chose the check yourself or not, no one is talking about that lol.

Luck claimed cop as well. They hard-claimedwith a correct, green check on orange and green on nanook. If the mafia wanted to use weird reasoning to get nanook cleared, that was the way to go.
and honestly, I don’t think that’s likely either. Literally so what that it’d give the town slight arguments to town-read nanook when it leaves the cop alive and allows them to get a REAL 100% certain check instead
Your reasoning still makes no sense.
I don't know what to say then. All I know is that I've got green checks on Creature, Luck, and MissSparkles. That leaves a group of five including {you, Nanook, Esooa, Deli, fingersplints}. I'm telling you that I'm the cop. The only way you can think that Nanook is still town is if you believe he's fakeclaiming cop as town. In that event, then would leave only Esooa, Deli, and fingersplints as the team.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:22 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:21 pm I missed one for the hyena PoE? Oh I missed including nanook. Okay so 5 person PoE vs 4 person PoE, only cross-over is Ejj, who is just town,

So... What, the Hyena scum team is them+creature+(deli/luck).... I'll probably iron this out before EoD

Nanook scum team is Nanook/deli/finger exactly imo
You can in the Nook team by the by, i know if you’re town, you’re not gonna put yourself in the POE but it’s the truth even if I have you as town.
I really don't care about that lol and it doesn't matter anyways I'm not being voted off
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.
that’s the only thing I’ll say
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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…why is there a smiley in the title of my previous post lol
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:18 pm I’m happy with a vote on creature. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

I’ll start considering if the mafia are throwing after he flips, not before that

willing to leave the cops alive for mafia to kill.

literally the only way you can convince me to vote elsewhere is if you find the 3rd scum, outside of [nanook, hyena, creature] and decide to go for that
gl with that tho
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I think you mistakenly added some lines at the end
You might want to correct that :)
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop
This seems like overkill

I'm not vanilla so it doesn't matter but still
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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There’s more scum strategy in hyena being cop here than Nook but like ugh
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Being scum here*
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:32 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop
This seems like overkill

I'm not vanilla so it doesn't matter but still
thank you, that’s all I needed :)

honestly, if you were vanilla, your claim would be way worse tho… like… WAY worse
quite literally gamethrowing on multiple levels
not overkill for me

but yeah, it really doesn’t matter now
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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After reading through both isos, Hyena definitely looks like a wolf a lot more than Nook.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:32 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop
This seems like overkill

I'm not vanilla so it doesn't matter but still
thank you, that’s all I needed :)

honestly, if you were vanilla, your claim would be way worse tho… like… WAY worse
quite literally gamethrowing on multiple levels
not overkill for me

but yeah, it really doesn’t matter now
You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I don't understand why wolves don't just kill Nook there if Nook isn't a wolf. He still looks like the seer and if he isn't then I still do

so that part is going to continue to bother me-- the fact that I didn't die make Nook looks worse but that contradicts how I feel about him.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I also don't know how you think there's any chance I rescind my cop claim I've been holding it since sod2 lol
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill
you shouldn’t gamethrow
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm I don't understand why wolves don't just kill Nook there if Nook isn't a wolf. He still looks like the seer and if he isn't then I still do

so that part is going to continue to bother me-- the fact that I didn't die make Nook looks worse but that contradicts how I feel about him.
Weirdly the fact you didn't die makes you look worse fmpov

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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill
you shouldn’t gamethrow
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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If Hyena actually is seer and peeked me it would impossible to figure that out based on D2 posting, and the questioning of me looks pretty bad
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm I don't understand why wolves don't just kill Nook there if Nook isn't a wolf. He still looks like the seer and if he isn't then I still do

so that part is going to continue to bother me-- the fact that I didn't die make Nook looks worse but that contradicts how I feel about him.
Weirdly the fact you didn't die makes you look worse fmpov

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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm I don't understand why wolves don't just kill Nook there if Nook isn't a wolf. He still looks like the seer and if he isn't then I still do

so that part is going to continue to bother me-- the fact that I didn't die make Nook looks worse but that contradicts how I feel about him.
Weirdly the fact you didn't die makes you look worse fmpov

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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill
you shouldn’t gamethrow
Everyone gamethrows sometimes
faking red checks, not rescinding when the real cop has counterclaimed, brute-forcing a lynch on their N0 green check? :)
I’d say if you were vanilla, I’d count that as seriously gamethrowing

regardless if it’s with good intentions or not, it should be punished in some way
same goes for most fake red checks imo

as for this game, the only way I wouldn’t see your play as gamethrowing is if you’re really the cop- …the chance of success could actually be statistically fine then tbh
or scum

so like, we’re good XD

I have seriously bad experiences with FPSing townies on my home site… this is just something I don’t accept and get VERY easily triggered by
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Probably hopefully Deli/Hyena/Creature
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I think it's luckbox over deli

if you want to convince on me deli you're open to though
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:51 pm I think it's luckbox over deli

if you want to convince on me deli you're open to though
Same tbhtbh
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:51 pm I think it's luckbox over deli

if you want to convince on me deli you're open to though
I feel pretty villagery fwiw.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Deli has good Creature stuff. We both actually have Creature stuff that could look w/w and we both were on Creature D1.
I encourage Deli to take me to the final 3 with esooa though.
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

the wagon on creature is still open :P

we can mis-elim twice so if there’s a PoE of 2, it might not even matter
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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My play yesterday as a wolf probably only makes sense if I actually think that Nook is the seer and I'm looking to feel him out-- in which case I just kill him last night. fwiw
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?
So you?
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Creature just trolling now
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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lmao why are you calling ejj scum
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?
So you?
from your pov nanook lol

you’re not voting him either
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm Creature just trolling now
Nope, still town
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:02 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?
So you?
from your pov nanook lol

you’re not voting him either
Nanook what?
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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

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ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

the wagon on creature is still open :P

we can mis-elim twice so if there’s a PoE of 2, it might not even matter
We have only one mis-kill not two. This is D3, 9 players left, 3 wolves. If we miss today tomorrow is lylo.
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