AtLA post-game (mafia win)

[Luckbox Inc]

People should vote Butters and if she's a wolf clear me and if she's not, someone vig me

[Naviya]

@Jackofhearts2005 do you have a reason for voting me?

Yeh. Think yer scum.

I would be glad to chainsaw-defend Luckbox here tbh

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I looked through Sig's ISO and while early on I thought he looked pretty good, his play involving LoMo reeks of TMI. Given that I was up to be investigated and LoMo dropped the ball on the investigation, any towny would at least have some suspicion of us as a team. What does Sig do? Well apparently Sig is scumreading me, but defending LoMo. While he is right that we shouldn't just yeet someone based on negligence alone, it is clear he isn't doing any sort of worldbuilding here or thinking critically about what happened. My guess? Sig scum, LoMo town, Sig trying to either pocket LoMo or get on the right side of an incoming townflip.

This was the case. I mean idk. Seanzie only has 22 posts but I do trust Felicis. And Seanzie still seems good.

But these are the sorts of arguments and cases that are good-- they still have to be true-- but if Sig really isn't "thinking critically" or "world building" like they should, then it's a good argument.

Thanks. I think Seanzie is likely town, unless he has a good scum-range that I don't know of.

[MartinGG99]

also ffs could my phone not give me 1 million texts in the past 10 minutes

[Luckbox Inc]

Can someone also explain to me why we're close to killing Luckbox?

I haven't encountered a strong reason for me to not read him as town so far, though I haven't read everything since last (IRL) night.

There's no reason at all. When Kza flipped last night I was like "well kza was an obvious villager" and people were like-- "lol you're a wolf". And because I think there are wolves voting me in Butters, and potentially IBA and Guillotine

Also like, scum do not need to generate mislynches, that's never really an issue, especially day 1. Scum are far more likely to put effort into pocketing.

Although "people voting me must be scum" is a good look in fairness. It's bad but also a pretty common townie response emotionally.

Not everyone voting me.
Like 2 or 3 of them.

[Naviya]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

[TonyStarkPrime]

Everyone voting for me is a wolf, easy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

Found wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

C’mon like what is that

[Naviya]

Everyone voting for me is a wolf, easy

[filler text goes here]

[TonyStarkPrime]

And they’re voting for me, that’s a double

[Luckbox Inc]

So my role is mechanist fwiw-- which I know is nothing.
I get to give people my inventions on three nights and I assume they're useful.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

I'm sketchy anyway.

Why is Luckbox a villa?

[Jackofhearts2005]

22 min to go, right?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac can be town again, I don’t really piss him off as much when he’s a wolf

[Luckbox Inc]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

I'm sketchy anyway.

Why is Luckbox a villa?

I've got great tone

[Naviya]

C’mon like what is that

It's me trying to chain 4 MLs with my epic gamer team of Justin/Martin/Seanzie/Falcon/Lost Monkey

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't want to yeet host/dead/spec tbh

[Naviya]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

I'm sketchy anyway.

Why is Luckbox a villa?

Good tone, reads look natural from what I saw and a lot of villagery thoughts/trains of thought?

[Naviya]

Anyways gotta go can't be on for EoD
Good luck I guess

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

I'm sketchy anyway.

Why is Luckbox a villa?

Good tone, reads look natural from what I saw and a lot of villagery thoughts/trains of thought?

See, I'm not feeling that.

[Luckbox Inc]

even though I trust the Tony voters, I don't think I like it. Arguments there?

[Seanzie]

I think there was a glitch in the matrix. I blame Guillo.

[Luckbox Inc]

nice server crash

[MartinGG99]

@Jackofhearts2005
@ButterscotchSundae
@EnderWiggin
@Guillotine
@IBA

I am scrutinizing all of you if luck flips town and if you're wolf prepare to receive a formalized declaration of war

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip him

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005
@ButterscotchSundae
@EnderWiggin
@Guillotine
@IBA

I am scrutinizing all of you if luck flips town and if you're wolf prepare to receive a formalized declaration of war

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip him

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip anybody but my gut says Falcon and Luck are the baddies in the room.

[MartinGG99]

@Jackofhearts2005
@ButterscotchSundae
@EnderWiggin
@Guillotine
@IBA

I am scrutinizing all of you if luck flips town and if you're wolf prepare to receive a formalized declaration of war

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip him

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip anybody but my gut says Falcon and Luck are the baddies in the room.

annnnnnnd you have or haven't connected the two as being related?

[Luckbox Inc]

@Jackofhearts2005
@ButterscotchSundae
@EnderWiggin
@Guillotine
@IBA

I am scrutinizing all of you if luck flips town and if you're wolf prepare to receive a formalized declaration of war

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip him

This all seems reasonable. Some of there are certainly going to be good. Maybe Ender/IBA/Jack

I don't really know what to make of Guillotine. Butters is the one I'm most confident on but even she still could be a villager fwiw. I don't think she is though.

[NotAnAxehole]

Server crash had me worried.

CARRY Luckbox Inc AWAY, SOAR WELL INTO THE SKY @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Bye Tony.

[NotAnAxehole]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Luckbox Inc]

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine
as I don't like going Tony

[Felicis]

Buh I'm nervous

[Luckbox Inc]

Anyways-- Probably you all should listen to Martin and Narviya and not Ender this game.

glgl

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine cause I dunno seems good

[MartinGG99]

gl gl town

[Luckbox Inc]

so yeah I'm not voting Tony in self defense

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sig (6): grogu, notanaxehole, daughterofomega, felicis, sean, martin
Luck (5): jackofhearts2005, butterscotchsundae, enderwiggin, guillotine, iba
Tsp (4): mac, naviya, Dana, hollowkatt
Lomo (2): falcon, luckbox
Naviya (1): tsp
Notanaxehole (1): sig
Not voting (3): creature, long con, lomo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@sig has died and flips:

Toph
Magic Feet

You can use your magic vibration-sensing feet to either detect who visits you OR who visits a player of your choice. You can only do each once and you cannot do them in the same night.

You are town, good luck!

@Luckbox Inc has died and flips:

Mechanist
Gifted Inventor

You’re a gifted inventor! You’re also a wee bit mad, so you’re not really sure what it is you’re inventing! On three nights you may send an invention to a target of your choice—you will not be informed if your invention reaches its target or what the invention will do.

You are town, good luck!

Justin flips:

Cabbage Guy
MY CABBAGES!!

Every night you must target someone, and if they are targeted by anyone else your cabbage cart will get knocked over. You will not be told who else targeted your target, but you will be told how many people shared your target (not including yourself or any passive abilities your target may have).

You are town, good luck!

Night actions due by July 1, 12pm edt

Spoiler: show

@ButterscotchSundae
@Creature
@Dana
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@Felicis
@Grogu
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@IBA
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@lost monkey
@MacDougall
@MartinGG99
@Naviya
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@daughterofomega
@TonyStarkPrime

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In the night! @EnderWiggin has died. They flip town:

Monk Gyatso
Mischievous Meditation

You’re very zin. You’re also a bit mischievous! Each night you can throw a pie at someone. Will this have an effect? Yes, of course! If your target targets anyone that night they will be blinded and have their target randomized. This does not apply to the factional night kill. Fun!

You are town, good luck!

In addition! @MacDougall has been burnt to a crisp and died. He was mafia!

Azula
Lightning Hands

You can shoot lightning out of your hands. That’s cool! Twice per game you can target someone with that lightning, during day or night (but not consecutive phases—i.e., if you target someone D1 you cannot target someone N1). If you target a non-bender, they will die. If you target a bender, they will be poisoned and will die at the end of the following phase if not healed. While they are poisoned they are roleblocked, if applicable. You may do this twice per game.

In addition, @Vulgard has replaced butterscotchsundae.

Eod is July 3, 1pm edt. Hammer is at 12.

Spoiler: show

@vulgard
@Creature
@Dana
@falcon45ca
@Felicis
@Grogu
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@IBA
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@lost monkey
@MartinGG99
@Naviya
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@daughterofomega
@TonyStarkPrime

[MartinGG99]

Some thoughts after ISO'ing the Luckbox voters:

jackofhearts2005 - Jack is being jack. I don't have strong feelings or thoughts on much of his posts given his typical style is to be laid-back (usually without much depth). Anyways, from what I could dig up, he was voting Luckbox because of this (link). He first voted Falcon, but much later (2-ish hours before EoD) moved on to Luckbox, probably due to vote wagons. I'm concerned though that he doesn't seem to initiate interaction with Falcon even after the storm event (for which Falcon was part of), and even interacted with me about the storm. Its like his vote on Falcon did nothing and he was completely fine with it, which I think is contradictory to what he said about himself and his reads in the past (link). Pending other my reads, I wouldn't mind this guy being the day 2 chop and would prefer it if nothing else.

butterscotchsundae - Butter hardly has any reads with substance in them. One of their reads felt scummy in particular (link), saying Ender is villagery and also they would fake-peek them. But why even mention that if you don't believe in fake-peeking and to also not mention why exactly Ender is villagery? It feels like a statement sprinkled in there specifically for seemingly towny tone and nothing else. Overall handling of Luckbox seems mildy okay to me for the limited time they spent here. I can't tell if its towny though given their reported history with Luck. I want to chop this person.

enderwiggin - I don't have enough leftover energy to ISO 300 posts. Will do D2 at some point assuming he doesn't create another 300 posts while I'm at it. watch him be the NK and I get 100 scumreads lol

guillotine - So let me get this one thing straight: Guilo thought Me/Luck/Butter were wolves (this has been rather consistent over the course of D1 to some degree), and has voted all of us at one point or another. I would think interactions between all three of us would have been not-w/w at some point. Especially between Luck/Butter give their public differences on d1. I don't really understand what Guilo is thinking, and honestly after trying to understand vague memes after vague memes with at most a sentence or two in them, I kinda want to reserve judgment for a day. Also saves me from a headache.

IBA - After reading full context of the interactions with Mac, I think this happened naturally enough for it to not be w/w with Mac. However, with this interaction by itself I wouldn't be surprised if this could be w/v given this involved strictly out-of-game and pre-game stuff so I'm not viewing it as towny for either. With the stuff on Luckbox, I'm inclined to see it as likely genuine. It was a simple TMI suspicion, but what sticks out to me is that this sort of attitude to luck is maintained (and echoed at least once later) while also stating once or twice as to whether Luck had a towny response (link). The whole handling of Luck feels a bit awkward (is that the right word?) and too rough for a wolf to simply fabricate for day 1 where wolves are generally under the least pressure. It just would be unnecessary to do. I don't think IBA is scum here.

[MartinGG99]

oh crap its still locked

[Felicis]

Holy shit

[hollowkatt]

rip ender but not really a surprise. whomever shot mac, good fucking job!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thread should stay unlocked now, if there are more issues ping me here or on discord

[MartinGG99]

well I'm preety glad we caught one wolf

was really ticked that we could've lost 5 villagers in 72 hours yesterday

[MartinGG99]

also considering Mac's role-card and his post I read earlier about "who killed KZA"

I think its p obvious he was the killer

[Felicis]

I am genuinely a bit discouraged after losing 5 fucking town in a day (rip Ender, I liked you and your solving minus your Luckbox push), but that Mac shot is giving me some LIFE back.

KZA was avenged!! Holy shit holy shit

[hollowkatt]

also considering Mac's role-card and his post I read earlier about "who killed KZA"

I think its p obvious he was the killer

makes sense to me.

[DaughterOfOmega]

OK, nothing that interesting happened during night, just focused on eod

[Vulgard]

Hi, here we go again.

I read the thread until the end page 6, here are my reads.

Naviya - Comfortably town. Like the way their entrance string of posts looks; the immediate claim for no reason, coupled with their confidence and 'mafia haven't entered thread yet' unprompted (Naviya was the only player in the thread at the time) is villagery. Also liked the fact they immediately jumped on Luckbox for their self-aware opening, I found it wolfy as well, and I townread Naviya's eagerness to both scumhunt and contribute to the village with the claim. Besides, their posts generally have the "haha wolves get screwed" energy, and I think that's a cheeky villager thing to do; also something wolves usually don't think to fake. Post #29 surprises me, because I think their posting had already been towny until that point, so I don't see them getting misexecuted often if they are town - unless their wolfgame is strong. If Naviya is someone with a strong wolfgame, this townread is weaker, because it's based largely on energy and tone; I would still say Naviya is town here despite that, though. Later discourse regarding their role is also villagery, because I could 100% buy a villager with a role like this instaclaiming, and I couldn't say the same for a wolf.

falcon45ca - Opening was meh, didn't ping me either way. Trying to stop Naviya from making early reads pinged me as wolfy because I'm not sure why he would care as town; let Naviya make their reads and read Naviya off these reads, Naviya generating content from the start is fine. The question bothers me especially because he doesn't think Naviya's early reads are wolfy, he's just trying to stop them from making those reads. Might be a playstyle clash between them, and between me and Falcon, I suppose. That said, what he does on page 2 is jump on Justinrs2's post about wanting blood and wanting the vig to shoot someone. I have no idea why Falcon would find that wolfy, and him jumping on that straight away feels like opportunistic aggression rather than genuine suspicion. For reference, I'm talking about post #57 by Falcon. Besides, the "I'm glad I am voting for you" remark looks like it's only there to make people think he has conviction in the push, thus looking performative. Justin flipping V at EoD only makes this action even wolfier.

Dana - I feel ambivalent about their posting on the first page. It's in that spot where I don't think it's super villagery, but I also don't think it's wolfy. GTH town because of percentages (games of mafia have more town than mafia, so when I have someone at null I tend to assume town until/unless proven otherwise). That said, I seem to remember them being much more emotional and all over the place in a hydra game they played here with Made (though I’m not sure how much of that was Made and how much of that was Dana). I don’t have a real alignment read on this slot at the moment.

TSP - Opening seems like classic TSP, not really alignment indicative. Townreading sig for being serious, walking it back immediately, and then walking back the walkback and settling on a townlean is hedgy and thin, but I don’t think it’s AI for TSP.

Creature - Dislike them talking about some random nonsense as their opening, can't really articulate for what reasons I dislike it. Seems oddly dismissive of what's going on on the first page. Too shitposty without actually being a shitpost, if that makes sense? Later posts didn’t leave much of an impression on me.

Guillotine - Declaration to communicate only through memes is noted. I usually townread people doing stuff like this, because most wolves don't have the confidence they can pull it off without getting yeeted or shot by vigs. I also kinda townread their meme usage on page 2, but that's nothing more than a gut feeling, really. Later memes are also alright. I don’t want to give too much credit for memes alone, but I think Guillotine is doing a good enough job expressing themselves, being funny, and actually talking about the game, that they are a villager. I think there would be some level of unfunniness/awkwardness/poor expression of themselves in their meme usage if they were mafia. They’re also actually using those memes to express reads, and they are clearly playing the game.

MartinGG99 - His opening didn't really linger in my mind. I like his questioning of various posts around the time he arrives in the thread. Like his analysis of Luckbox despite disagreeing with it. Luckbox flipping V doesn't make Martin look any worse in my opinion, I think he was genuinely trying to evaluate Luckbox's contradictory actions. Thinking he’s a villager.

hollowkatt - Him entering the thread with a meme vote on KZA for being KZA is strike 1 (easy wolf vote to place) and him townreading Guillotine of all people for what looks like TMI more than anything (Guillotine had literally just been posting memes) is strike 2. For clarity, that means it's bad. Pretty bad. If the townread on Guillotine was because he liked the content of the memes or something, that would be less egregious, but still - and he didn't say as much, so I'm just going to assume the townread was BS. It's possible I'm putting too much stock in a meme townread, but I dislike HK opening with it, anyway. The KZA vote is also pretty bad, because voting someone for being themselves is literally the easiest opening wolf vote in the world. His next posts are lots of timewasting and denying Luckbox’s townread on Martin for no good reason.

Seanzie - Entering the thread with openwolfing is... a thing? Not a good thing. Is openwolfing a habit for him? Because if it isn't, this opening is wolfy. Claiming mafia may be a meme, but it's also an easy way to open when you're wolfing (haha, please laugh), since you aren't lying. Hard townread on sig in #172 is a big wtf post, considering somebody saying that making an early towncore is unproductive doesn’t make them town. I suspect he was joking to annoy sig here, though, so maybe it doesn’t matter.

DaughterOfOmega - First post may realistically not be alignment indicative, but I think it’s >rand V. This is mostly a viberead. The problem is that they’re basically doing nothing for the next few pages, all their posts are doing are helping us acknowledge that this player exists. Meh. Still think it’s probably town.

Long Con - I can’t read this guy, I’ll just be honest here, and his posts on the early pages don’t help me read him whatsoever. Hard null.

lost monkey - Popped in, popped out, didn’t do anything. My last experience with them is them being mafia and a low-content pop-iner, so this opener is pretty yikes. Admittedly, I don’t know what their towngame looks like.

Felicis - Comes across as very genuine to me from the start, though I feel like that’s largely a personality thing. Post #201 is pretty alright, but I don’t find it super villagery. Post #202 also seems genuine and shows some level attachment to reads and “playing well” that I think is townier than not. Townlean.

EnderWiggin - Entrance string of posts looks like a bad meme. It’s a bunch of scumreads/townreads on various slots including a scumread on themselves. The last part makes me unsure if any of those reads were serious and/or worth taking seriously. They continue doing this throughout the pages I read and frankly I don’t know if it’s villagery or wolfy. It just seems aimless to me, though I can’t in good faith say it’s outright wolfy. It’s more random and playstyle-indicative rather than alignment indicative, I guess. Probably town because the whole “randomly floating around a thread calling things V or W” thing usually comes from town.

NotAnAxehole - First post is whatever, didn’t see anything else from them.

Macdougall - His early posting looks like a 1:1 copy of how he approached the game in the previous game I played with him, where he was mafia and died before I could tunnel him. Him voting a flipped villager (Luckbox) right away, and posting the unjustified reads I saw a plenty of in his last wolfgame, only solidifies the initial assessment. Get this out of the game before he starts powerwolfing even more town yeets than I already saw happen (though admittedly didn’t read how). Big Mac can’t hurt you if you eat it.

Justin was very villagery, sad to see him go.

Ordered, looks like this.

Town:

Naviya

Guillotine
Felicis
MartinGG99

DaughterOfOmega

Mafia:

hollowkatt
falcon45ca
Macdougall

Everyone else is at varied degrees of null. I honestly expected to find more villagers. Probably means I’m bad at finding a lot of people V.

Would like to know if Seanzie openwolfing is normal, because otherwise, his opener was super wolfy, and his later posts were not inspiring at all.