Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[listo95]

If Martin/TH are our last mafia, does a 4-person team on a 21 person game make sense? I feel like it has to be one more.

For listo to just say he’s most sus of exactly what I’m thinking [plus nook] he’d be painting himself deep into a corner if wolf, unless we’re all wrong about Martin/TH.

Yeah 4 seems small to be honest. I would've expected at least 5. I'm certain at least 1 wolf is within those 3 maybe 2.

[Flea the Magician]

If the soup is real my best guess for LoMo's death is some kind of KP that isn't tied to the factional NK, like a conditional kill or something along those lines. We know that Michelle had something similar (the killing framer role, which kills anyone that visits the person they framed and isn't an investigative), so there could be more conditional KP the mafia has.

Flea promised to tryhard but I'm not really seeing it. Fae've still been overall townie on play and if Martin flips red I'm pretty sure fae're cleared because in that world TH is pushing them as the next most viable misexe to try to save Martin. So I'm just going to let the Martin flip resolve faer for me.

I'm waiting on interactions, i can resolve myself easily.

In fact, lets do it. Lets draw the NK.

[Scotty]

If the soup is real my best guess for LoMo's death is some kind of KP that isn't tied to the factional NK, like a conditional kill or something along those lines. We know that Michelle had something similar (the killing framer role, which kills anyone that visits the person they framed and isn't an investigative), so there could be more conditional KP the mafia has.

Flea promised to tryhard but I'm not really seeing it. Fae've still been overall townie on play and if Martin flips red I'm pretty sure fae're cleared because in that world TH is pushing them as the next most viable misexe to try to save Martin. So I'm just going to let the Martin flip resolve faer for me.

I'm waiting on interactions, i can resolve myself easily.

In fact, lets do it. Lets draw the NK.

no me first

[Flea the Magician]

Too late.

[Scotty]

I think it more likely that the last mafia, if TH and Martin are bad, is nook, which would make listo soooo happy lol

[Scotty]

REMINDER TO ALL YOU CHATTY CATHY’S: Night is open tonight, so let’s have a party.

[Guillotine]

MOD CONFIRMATION ANNOUNCEMENT

This will reflect in the OP results listing

[Scotty]

I don’t trust it

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

[Flea the Magician]

Heya Martin, When you're caught up gives us a top 3 and bottom 3 will ya?

Heads up, I'm feelin pretty sour on your slot. The Flea is lookin for blood.

Nope, I said when you're caught up, when you're caught up depends on when you think you're caught up on recent events. you're reading something, evidently.

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

Probably just flea, alison if I'm really tinfoiling

Now that is some tinfoil, talk me through your thinking here? Because I haven't seen much thinking from you and I keep forgetting you're in the game.

Im still waitin on these btw.

[Scotty]

We got a mayor up in here. Yeah, I mean, flea was town anyhow so

[Flea the Magician]

I don’t trust it

I do, I trust it very much.
Same as guillos votes yesterday, much trust.

[Flea the Magician]

We got a mayor up in here. Yeah, I mean, flea was town anyhow so

Nah I'm just that sweet and innocent and I have ice cream

[Scotty]

Yea flea, the behavior of TH and Martin in the past 24 hours is pretty resigned baddie behavior

[Flea the Magician]

oh thats not soupable either scumbuckets.
Feel free to try.

[c4e5g3d5]

So basically Scotty is actually town soz
And Alison
And Dolby
And Mac
And prolly LC

And call me crazy but I think Flea might be town

So pull an overeager AoPS mafia god wannabe and kill everyone else?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t trust it

Given how Sean's role worked i think this is probably trustworthy?

[c4e5g3d5]

Also I always thought towny was the adjective and townie was the noun
Am I out of touch

[hollowkatt]

So basically Scotty is actually town soz
And Alison
And Dolby
And Mac
And prolly LC

And call me crazy but I think Flea might be town

So pull an overeager AoPS mafia god wannabe and kill everyone else?

my town bucket:
me
alison
mac
dolby
scotty
flea
lime
c4e

poe:
martin
triple
nanook
listo

I'm least comfortable calling c43 and lime town mostly b/c creature didn't do much of jack and I don't remember much of what Lime has posted. Ender flip, if legit, spews creature slot town though.
of the poe nanook and listo are the two I'm least confident in being wolves for pretty much teh same reasons as c4e and lime being town

Kinda feel like if we chop through that poe from top to bottom we're gonna win

[Scotty]

ISOing TH

-never mentions Ender until d2, where they don’t have a read on him. Very helpful
-helpfully offers many mech things that mafia might be able to do, like how kidnapping works
-has that weird inside info with honey about something bad happening to her and “did it trigger”. Honey implied it was mafia, and TH also said it was mafia, but she doesn’t push it, so I guess she assumed everything was all hunky dory with their giggly whispers. This is probably that “soft claiming” that TH says they did. I have no earthly idea what that is, but it means nothing to me.
-unapologetically leads the ‘HK is bad’ homecoming wagon
-homecoming is canceled
- d3:

Yeah resolving d1 is correct here, I agree with everything people have said about it

i'm unyeetable today btw

this

[c4e5g3d5]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

[hollowkatt]

ISOing TH

-never mentions Ender until d2, where they don’t have a read on him. Very helpful
-helpfully offers many mech things that mafia might be able to do, like how kidnapping works
-has that weird inside info with honey about something bad happening to her and “did it trigger”. Honey implied it was mafia, and TH also said it was mafia, but she doesn’t push it, so I guess she assumed everything was all hunky dory with their giggly whispers. This is probably that “soft claiming” that TH says they did. I have no earthly idea what that is, but it means nothing to me.
-unapologetically leads the ‘HK is bad’ homecoming wagon
-homecoming is canceled
- d3:

Yeah resolving d1 is correct here, I agree with everything people have said about it

i'm unyeetable today btw

this

seems like someone with a working gun would be wise to shoot TH

I wish I had a gun to shoot TH with

[hollowkatt]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

zombies naturally follow the crowd

[listo95]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

[Flea the Magician]

Nobody gave me a gun

[hollowkatt]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

why do you think nanook is wolfy? Like he hasn't really registered on my radar at all, which is pretty typical for nanook lately.

[Scotty]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

zombies naturally follow the crowd

That’s the most profound thing I’ve heard today

[Scotty]

I don’t trust it

Given how Sean's role worked i think this is probably trustworthy?

I’m confused how that factors in. Are you talking about the gambit ability? How would that kill himself?

[listo95]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

why do you think nanook is wolfy? Like he hasn't really registered on my radar at all, which is pretty typical for nanook lately.

I've said it before but I feel like he isn't really interacting with people. Where I come from what he is doing is wolf behavior. And just something feels off about all of his posts to me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t trust it

Given how Sean's role worked i think this is probably trustworthy?

I’m confused how that factors in. Are you talking about the gambit ability? How would that kill himself?

I have no idea where the kill himself bit comes in or what you're talking about there

I was referencing how Sean's role didn't allow him to take an IC post from the mod, which suggests that this IC post is probably legit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t trust it

Given how Sean's role worked i think this is probably trustworthy?

I’m confused how that factors in. Are you talking about the gambit ability? How would that kill himself?

I have no idea where the kill himself bit comes in or what you're talking about there

I was referencing how Sean's role didn't allow him to take an IC post from the mod, which suggests that this IC post is probably legit

*fake an IC post

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

why do you think nanook is wolfy? Like he hasn't really registered on my radar at all, which is pretty typical for nanook lately.

I've said it before but I feel like he isn't really interacting with people. Where I come from what he is doing is wolf behavior. And just something feels off about all of his posts to me.

Where I come from thats normal nanook behavior. Interacting with other players is overrated

[Scotty]

So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

why do you think nanook is wolfy? Like he hasn't really registered on my radar at all, which is pretty typical for nanook lately.

I've said it before but I feel like he isn't really interacting with people. Where I come from what he is doing is wolf behavior. And just something feels off about all of his posts to me.

Where I come from thats normal nanook behavior. Interacting with other players is overrated

“The best-laid plans of mice and men...and Nanook, the small man in the glasses who wanted nothing but time. Nanook, now just a part of a smashed landscape, just a piece of the rubble, just a fragment of what man has deeded to himself. Mr. Nanook, in the Twilight Zone.”

[Flea the Magician]

I mean, I got a fancy pants image for mine :P

[hollowkatt]

going through Nanook ISO.
He starts out as typical nanook, is sick, is slanking, is not AI for him at all.
He comes in, sheeps alison and mac on ender, that's a good look. It's only a bad look if nanook is teamed with ender and one of alison/mac b/c he would know ender isn't going over d1. Will have to check the vote movements (I think someone posted them already?)

That's about all he does D1.
D2 he starts with saying to re-read the flips b/c michelle might not have been a wolf given falcons role. Could be either wolfy sewing paranoia or townie being paranoid, kinda depends on how he pushes that narrative throughout the day.
he and I have an argument on whether or not michelle or falcon is the more likely NK. Nanook says michelle I said falcon. The way falcon was poking at Ender in DVC tells me they were not paired, and I believe the ender flip more than I believe any of the flips other than mine. Falcon is the townie in this death bucket for sure. Michelle might have flipped "wrong" but I'm not putting stock in that.

Then he talks about alison being kidnapped and whether or not that's from mafia, town, or what, and whether or not alison should be granted NK immunity again. He says she should have it, I agree, she's like just town.

Then the "kill scotty for free" thing happened with the Prosecutor. Nanook says to take that. I also agreed with that. I think scotty is town now given how he's played the last day and a half, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable thing to explore.
Kinda thinking the prosecutor is mafia based on my town read of scotty.

I claim the red on TSP, nanook says checks are unreliable, but later says "he'll follow the mech" when determining who he thinks is most likely wolfy. Kinda sus on that but overall I do town read him throughout D1/2

D3 sheeps alison and mac on gnome, gnome flips town. Alison/mac/nanook open wolfing pack? highly doubtful. nanook pocketed by one of those two? if he is it's alison and he does "hard town read her" so eh? maybe?
Don't think alison is a wolf though so maybe just a meld between the three of them.

Kinda want to just say nanook is town here and move on.

drops my poe to Martin, Triple, Listo

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[Scotty]

going through Nanook ISO.
He starts out as typical nanook, is sick, is slanking, is not AI for him at all.
He comes in, sheeps alison and mac on ender, that's a good look. It's only a bad look if nanook is teamed with ender and one of alison/mac b/c he would know ender isn't going over d1. Will have to check the vote movements (I think someone posted them already?)

That's about all he does D1.
D2 he starts with saying to re-read the flips b/c michelle might not have been a wolf given falcons role. Could be either wolfy sewing paranoia or townie being paranoid, kinda depends on how he pushes that narrative throughout the day.
he and I have an argument on whether or not michelle or falcon is the more likely NK. Nanook says michelle I said falcon. The way falcon was poking at Ender in DVC tells me they were not paired, and I believe the ender flip more than I believe any of the flips other than mine. Falcon is the townie in this death bucket for sure. Michelle might have flipped "wrong" but I'm not putting stock in that.

Then he talks about alison being kidnapped and whether or not that's from mafia, town, or what, and whether or not alison should be granted NK immunity again. He says she should have it, I agree, she's like just town.

Then the "kill scotty for free" thing happened with the Prosecutor. Nanook says to take that. I also agreed with that. I think scotty is town now given how he's played the last day and a half, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable thing to explore.
Kinda thinking the prosecutor is mafia based on my town read of scotty.

I claim the red on TSP, nanook says checks are unreliable, but later says "he'll follow the mech" when determining who he thinks is most likely wolfy. Kinda sus on that but overall I do town read him throughout D1/2

D3 sheeps alison and mac on gnome, gnome flips town. Alison/mac/nanook open wolfing pack? highly doubtful. nanook pocketed by one of those two? if he is it's alison and he does "hard town read her" so eh? maybe?
Don't think alison is a wolf though so maybe just a meld between the three of them.

Kinda want to just say nanook is town here and move on.

drops my poe to Martin, Triple, Listo

I’m just like…

If listo is bad, he’s painted himself into a corner. That’s just bad wolf gameplay IMO unless he thinks his top scum reads of Martin and TH won’t get lynched for a while, setting up for..another desperation soup kill?

But they will, surely. Maybe he’s banking on nook getting lynched before him and one of Martin/TH being town.

[Scotty]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

Who are your top 3 wolf reads, in order of most to least suspicious?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[listo95]

going through Nanook ISO.
He starts out as typical nanook, is sick, is slanking, is not AI for him at all.
He comes in, sheeps alison and mac on ender, that's a good look. It's only a bad look if nanook is teamed with ender and one of alison/mac b/c he would know ender isn't going over d1. Will have to check the vote movements (I think someone posted them already?)

That's about all he does D1.
D2 he starts with saying to re-read the flips b/c michelle might not have been a wolf given falcons role. Could be either wolfy sewing paranoia or townie being paranoid, kinda depends on how he pushes that narrative throughout the day.
he and I have an argument on whether or not michelle or falcon is the more likely NK. Nanook says michelle I said falcon. The way falcon was poking at Ender in DVC tells me they were not paired, and I believe the ender flip more than I believe any of the flips other than mine. Falcon is the townie in this death bucket for sure. Michelle might have flipped "wrong" but I'm not putting stock in that.

Then he talks about alison being kidnapped and whether or not that's from mafia, town, or what, and whether or not alison should be granted NK immunity again. He says she should have it, I agree, she's like just town.

Then the "kill scotty for free" thing happened with the Prosecutor. Nanook says to take that. I also agreed with that. I think scotty is town now given how he's played the last day and a half, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable thing to explore.
Kinda thinking the prosecutor is mafia based on my town read of scotty.

I claim the red on TSP, nanook says checks are unreliable, but later says "he'll follow the mech" when determining who he thinks is most likely wolfy. Kinda sus on that but overall I do town read him throughout D1/2

D3 sheeps alison and mac on gnome, gnome flips town. Alison/mac/nanook open wolfing pack? highly doubtful. nanook pocketed by one of those two? if he is it's alison and he does "hard town read her" so eh? maybe?
Don't think alison is a wolf though so maybe just a meld between the three of them.

Kinda want to just say nanook is town here and move on.

drops my poe to Martin, Triple, Listo

I’m just like…

If listo is bad, he’s painted himself into a corner. That’s just bad wolf gameplay IMO unless he thinks his top scum reads of Martin and TH won’t get lynched for a while, setting up for..another desperation soup kill?

But they will, surely. Maybe he’s banking on nook getting lynched before him and one of Martin/TH being town.

Which I would never do lol. I much prefer playing as a wolf because I do better as one. I honestly see no universe where Nanook is town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

going through Nanook ISO.
He starts out as typical nanook, is sick, is slanking, is not AI for him at all.
He comes in, sheeps alison and mac on ender, that's a good look. It's only a bad look if nanook is teamed with ender and one of alison/mac b/c he would know ender isn't going over d1. Will have to check the vote movements (I think someone posted them already?)

That's about all he does D1.
D2 he starts with saying to re-read the flips b/c michelle might not have been a wolf given falcons role. Could be either wolfy sewing paranoia or townie being paranoid, kinda depends on how he pushes that narrative throughout the day.
he and I have an argument on whether or not michelle or falcon is the more likely NK. Nanook says michelle I said falcon. The way falcon was poking at Ender in DVC tells me they were not paired, and I believe the ender flip more than I believe any of the flips other than mine. Falcon is the townie in this death bucket for sure. Michelle might have flipped "wrong" but I'm not putting stock in that.

Then he talks about alison being kidnapped and whether or not that's from mafia, town, or what, and whether or not alison should be granted NK immunity again. He says she should have it, I agree, she's like just town.

Then the "kill scotty for free" thing happened with the Prosecutor. Nanook says to take that. I also agreed with that. I think scotty is town now given how he's played the last day and a half, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable thing to explore.
Kinda thinking the prosecutor is mafia based on my town read of scotty.

I claim the red on TSP, nanook says checks are unreliable, but later says "he'll follow the mech" when determining who he thinks is most likely wolfy. Kinda sus on that but overall I do town read him throughout D1/2

D3 sheeps alison and mac on gnome, gnome flips town. Alison/mac/nanook open wolfing pack? highly doubtful. nanook pocketed by one of those two? if he is it's alison and he does "hard town read her" so eh? maybe?
Don't think alison is a wolf though so maybe just a meld between the three of them.

Kinda want to just say nanook is town here and move on.

drops my poe to Martin, Triple, Listo

I’m just like…

If listo is bad, he’s painted himself into a corner. That’s just bad wolf gameplay IMO unless he thinks his top scum reads of Martin and TH won’t get lynched for a while, setting up for..another desperation soup kill?

But they will, surely. Maybe he’s banking on nook getting lynched before him and one of Martin/TH being town.

Which I would never do lol. I much prefer playing as a wolf because I do better as one. I honestly see no universe where Nanook is town.

You're pretty closed minded

[c4e5g3d5]

This seems like the kinda gamestate where

The PoE gets locked in
The game doesn't end
People start tinfoiling like mad
They think "reeval everything" but to them "everything" just means the things they were least likely to reeval because bias is bipolar
Alison comes under fire in F5 for some dumbass reason
Meanwhile LC's been sitting there this whole time

[Scotty]

This seems like the kinda gamestate where

The PoE gets locked in
The game doesn't end
People start tinfoiling like mad
They think "reeval everything" but to them "everything" just means the things they were least likely to reeval because bias is bipolar
Alison comes under fire in F5 for some dumbass reason
Meanwhile LC's been sitting there this whole time

I think if Martin flips town, we’ll have lots of things to talk about tonight. LC being bad one of them

[c4e5g3d5]

I get Alison's point about LC's mansnicks vote, but that could just be LC literally just following up on his scumread there because he already said it itt and hadn't voted there yet lol

[c4e5g3d5]

I'm just not seeing the investment that I usually do

I'm willing to believe wanting to change things accounts for some amount of it, but... that much?

[c4e5g3d5]

The whole towncore's going "ez answer is ez plug em' all"
LC included
Mac excluded because lmfao
But I feel like all of them except LC have a sense of "yeah we just won this thing" that he's missing

Alison's double checking her work, reaching a conclusion, and then actually acting like she reached a conclusion and planning the next two days accordingly
Dolby's dicking around playing mind games with that one wolf PR that thought it was useful for some reason and having the time of his life
hk's dropping the "yeah probably just town" at last on the one ??? name he had left in his PoE
Scotty's lamentations over whether he can help town in the end are blindingly towny and also somewhat reflective of thinking this thing's almost done and there's not much more for him to do

LC pops in to defend himself and give the top wagon a nudge
It's not terrible or anything but it's not clear what direction he actually thinks the game is headed in our what his worldview is
And it also seems like there's still a game to win for him

If push comes to shove and I have to find a wolf in here, everyone here but LC is showing either town complacency or otherwise strong town sentiment, and I'd punt LC in a heartbeat

[c4e5g3d5]

I am now realizing that I said I would ISO Nook today.











I am now realizing it again.

[c4e5g3d5]

Triple dipping in ISOs, the thread from the start and the thread from the end
Prolly gonna give up on one of these
All three realistically

[Dolby]

Wait ok there’s some ability that Dolby wasn’t aware of that gave a gun to Mac, which lobotomized him. Ima call that the Lobotomy Gun.

Dolby received 1 of 3 guns: 1 HK denies receiving. I’ll call that the Invisible Gun. 1 Dolby used normally. I’ll call that the Bwap Bwap Gun. 1 Seanzie blew up with. I’ll call that the Horseshoe Gun. Those all seem to be from one ability.

Haven’t heard of anyone else receiving a gun, so I’m dubious there are any more gun powers. There’s also a chance mac was the redirected recipient of a gun where HK should have received it.
When Ender gave me a random ability- which I guess I’ll buy- if I received the power that gives out 3 guns I would expect someone else to have used it. So I’d like to think I probably have a…Lobotomy Gun.

That probably doesn’t help town if I use it lol

Dammit I really wanna be useful

For clarity, HK and Seanzie’s guns came from the same source. Mine came from a different source

[Dolby]

Literally the only thing that gives me pause on Scotty is that I think Ender wanted him alive

HK is just good
Alison is good + townie mindset
I’ll trust the mod confirm on Flea

There’s an edge world where Mac is scum I guess but I don’t really see it
Lime Coke I plan to reread soon. I’m not convinced that a 4 person attempted soup that had Mac as ascentic was real

Beyond that I think that Martin’s activity is super whack

So yeah I’m coasting