Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Esooa]

lol Alexa

you hate disagreement so much

[EnderWiggin]

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Though the question being asked is perhaps ambiguous

you literally answered my question with a question

you're dodging and it's wolfy

Your question had a false premise

[alexa]

Though the question being asked is perhaps ambiguous

you literally answered my question with a question

you're dodging and it's wolfy

Your question had a false premise

how so?

[Wiml]

Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

This is a bad reaction as well.

Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.

It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Time for me to take some time to ISO Alexa.

650+ posts.

Let's drown.

[Esooa]

works with me ender

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine

I'll look myself when I wake up

[TonyStarkPrime]

You asked why I scumread you. This implies that I scumread you.
Why do /you/ think that I scumread you?

[Esooa]

Time for me to take some time to ISO Alexa.

650+ posts.

Let's drown.

I don't think you need to bother right now

[alexa]

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

This is fair, Ender. I've been slightly worried about him. I was at first going to defend that him shielding me is towny for him but you already acknowledged that. I see him as very far from IC ngl.

[Wiml]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Wiml maybe my fos on you looked opportunistic but that's because I doubt my own reads a lot but I'm kind of done with that

i think you're a villager, if your response last night tells me anything it's that. Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

Yeah I think you're town but you and illario both asked me to explain why I was originally worried about your progression and I said I'd do it once I came back to the thread.

[Esooa]

Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

just saying this is an extremely extremely wtf thing to say

and it'd be cool if you can not

[alexa]

You asked why I scumread you. This implies that I scumread you.
Why do /you/ think that I scumread you?

..because you're voting me?

[EnderWiggin]

Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

This is a bad reaction as well.

Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.

It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.

It's only out of character for my higher wim moments. My emotive state is entire dependant on how work has gone and how recently I've played D&D or something else fun.

See early on in Basic Mafia where I had low WIM to actually case people.

Or early on in African Bird (Albeit that was 12/12 so different feel)

Not heavily casing people isn't really AI for me. (Self meta to ignore a scumread, that's scummy!)

[alexa]

Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

just saying this is an extremely extremely wtf thing to say

and it'd be cool if you can not

you've literally said this same thing to me when i've tunneled neopest lol

[Esooa]

pretty sure I've done some of the most to actually talk about this game normally

[Esooa]

and you just don't like I don't agree with you specifically

[Esooa]

Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

just saying this is an extremely extremely wtf thing to say

and it'd be cool if you can not

you've literally said this same thing to me when i've tunneled neopest lol

my posts about wiml are literally nothing comparable

[Esooa]

at all

[TonyStarkPrime]

You asked why I scumread you. This implies that I scumread you.
Why do /you/ think that I scumread you?

..because you're voting me?

Yeah, there is that

[TonyStarkPrime]

Do you think I should townread you

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[alexa]

Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

just saying this is an extremely extremely wtf thing to say

and it'd be cool if you can not

you've literally said this same thing to me when i've tunneled neopest lol

my posts about wiml are literally nothing comparable

they are but ok

[Esooa]

lmfao

[alexa]

Do you think I should townread you

i don't think you shouldn't

[Esooa]

yeah yeah multiple people constantly asking you to stop talking about neo is the exact same as me giving a scum read on wiml

applause

[EnderWiggin]

@alexa

@ilario

Both of you have played more with LC than myself.

Can you remember in previous town games, does he explain more than just his primary shield? Because that's the impression I get from my experience with him.

[alexa]

yeah yeah multiple people constantly asking you to stop talking about neo is the exact same as me giving a scum read on wiml

applause

that's not true though? in Reflections specifically neopest was getting the same thread heat Wiml is here strongly, people will actually encouraging the read

you aren't just giving a scum read on Wiml you're literally saying you can't rest until he flips

[Wiml]

Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

This is a bad reaction as well.

Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.

It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.

It's only out of character for my higher wim moments. My emotive state is entire dependant on how work has gone and how recently I've played D&D or something else fun.

See early on in Basic Mafia where I had low WIM to actually case people.

Or early on in African Bird (Albeit that was 12/12 so different feel)

Not heavily casing people isn't really AI for me. (Self meta to ignore a scumread, that's scummy!)

I don't mean cases I mean stuff like you accusing me of being opportunistic without trying to understand my perspective at all.

Given that I've burnt you so often as both alignments I feel like you should be caring more.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually wait, he was BlueKang in MU right?

I've got actually some WIM tonight (Found all the hidden stuff in Hollow Knight without people telling me what to do and feel pretty proud because I bested my friends on that front, riding the high just a little.)

[TonyStarkPrime]

Do you think I should townread you

i don't think you shouldn't

That’s a tsp style response and if multiple people in the same game start giving those a connect 4 game breaks out

[Esooa]

yeah yeah multiple people constantly asking you to stop talking about neo is the exact same as me giving a scum read on wiml

applause

that's not true though? in Reflections specifically neopest was getting the same thread heat Wiml is here strongly, people will actually encouraging the read

you aren't just giving a scum read on Wiml you're literally saying you can't rest until he flips

honestly you're just saying this cause I voted you

[alexa]

@alexa

@ilario

Both of you have played more with LC than myself.

Can you remember in previous town games, does he explain more than just his primary shield? Because that's the impression I get from my experience with him.

his town games are mostly him shielding people then pushing on anyone who FOSes who he shields

which IMO is not far off from this game, it just feels slightly less passionate this game

[Esooa]

Actually wait, he was BlueKang in MU right?

I've got actually some WIM tonight (Found all the hidden stuff in Hollow Knight without people telling me what to do and feel pretty proud because I bested my friends on that front, riding the high just a little.)

yup

[EnderWiggin]

I don't mean cases I mean stuff like you accusing me of being opportunistic without trying to understand my perspective at all.

Given that I've burnt you so often as both alignments I feel like you should be caring more.

Easier to vote you out so I don't have to correctly read the person I have struggled most to get accurate. =P

(Memeing here, in case people don't pick that up.)

[alexa]

Ender - yes he was BK on MU

Do you think I should townread you

i don't think you shouldn't

That’s a tsp style response and if multiple people in the same game start giving those a connect 4 game breaks out

lmao

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

[Esooa]

regardless of all this I think wimls response about Mac is towny

[Esooa]

so good job wiml

[MacDougall]

regardless of all this I think wimls response about Mac is towny

agree.

[Wiml]

I do think wiml is town. I just identify so hard with his feels.

I think Alexa is town. Ilario from her read sure.

Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

Ender also town for being a baby at times.

Yeah this feels GTO.

What do you mean by my feels?

[Esooa]

[unvote][/unvote]

[MacDougall]

I do think wiml is town. I just identify so hard with his feels.

I think Alexa is town. Ilario from her read sure.

Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

Ender also town for being a baby at times.

Yeah this feels GTO.

What do you mean by my feels?

your emotional reaction to alexa notably

[MacDougall]

[unvote][/unvote]

I hate u

[Esooa]

[unvote][/unvote]

I hate u

why

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok so from this brief foray I’m fairly sure that Alexa is town

[TonyStarkPrime]

but I’m keeping my vote where it is so Mac will like me

[Esooa]

if it's lc I kinda want to say the last wolf is just nanook

no reading put into this but I vibe with it

[alexa]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

the fact that he has 0 votes and LC has 2 still feels off.

[Esooa]

Ok so from this brief foray I’m fairly sure that Alexa is town

what an unexpected turn of events

I never realized you voted Alexa to prompt a reaction