Bonk Mafia (TOWN WINS)

[MacDougall]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall

I took out the names I cleared. This is the POE that remains. If anyone has a reason to clear one of these names or to un-clear someone I cleared, speak up.

I am the town role guy and I already claimed it I am clearly not mafia lol

[MacDougall]

Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

Thank you daddy

[MacDougall]

Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

he's neither lol i think he's obv vanilla town trying to bait

or maybe scum trying to look like VT trying to bait

but 0% town PR zero imma eat a sandal yeah

nope and I also lied about having given out a role n0

I gave rondo the cop checks last night

[tutuu]

alright bet

whoever else received a power role is by mafia and peeked green. so who is it???

theres no way they made dyson an IC

and it couldn't have been dunya

so someone's hiding it .... sigh .....

[tutuu]

" Death flips include only alignment. No role information is provided."


WAAAAAAAAAAAIT I DIDNT SEE THIS


WAITTTTTTTTTTTT

[tutuu]

okay so scotty was the mafia PR giver lmaooo

wait

wait

WAIT

uhhh

that incentivized mafia to bus scotty

because the mafia power role is anti-scum and pro-town (because it gives town 2 peeks).

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
m
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-explode

[MacDougall]

yeah this probably means that scotty was the mafia role guy

[MacDougall]

i think that's a pretty grand leap of logic there

[MacDougall]

so anyways we can probably just sheep jay to win the game

[tutuu]

maybe its not that anti-scum, they just preemptively make their night kills an IC for a day. make the N2 kill an IC for D2, the N3 kill an IC for D3. maybe that's not that bad, not worth the bus? but still the role is worse than vanilla goon imo. hmmm. its still probably the 2 suspects

[MacDougall]

i'm confused why we aren't just hosing down the dyson voters?

Dyson sphere
4
Voters: NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, falcon45ca, Scotty

surely scotty isn't the only mafia voting on the c/w

[MacDougall]

scotty wasn't bussed tutuu, if he was he would have gone over by a lot more than a coinflip in a 4 vote wagon

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: dyson] aubergine along with the crowd

smh don’t vote jay

So TSP wants to be perceived as not tryharding ... but... TSP votes the clearly ridiculous dyson wagon rather than just globbing onto a wagon that has Jay and Dunya on it?

TSP can get the hose imo

[tutuu]

i think u shoulda given the power on someone other than scotty's wagon because mafia will wanna kill all people there anyway, and if u give it on someone else (whos like average in terms of townyness) then mafia would have more targets to kill / we could leash it and gain insight on that persons alignment

but maybe its alright since u still have a shot left. so if they kill u tonight - well they shouldnt, they should kill rondo

but i think that u sould give ur power tonight on someone other than jay

[MacDougall]

my theory is the last two are nanook and tsp

[MacDougall]

i think u shoulda given the power on someone other than scotty's wagon because mafia will wanna kill all people there anyway, and if u give it on someone else (whos like average in terms of townyness) then mafia would have more targets to kill / we could leash it and gain insight on that persons alignment

but maybe its alright since u still have a shot left. so if they kill u tonight - well they shouldnt, they should kill rondo

but i think that u sould give ur power tonight on someone other than jay

that's all well and good but i gave it to rondo because i thought it would be funny

[MacDougall]

here's my plan

I am going to give the doc to the person who ends the day as my prime suspect

because then if they don't die we can just chop them

[MacDougall]

falcon/tsp/nanook is a fine poe imo

[MacDougall]

it's probably just falcon/tsp actually

[tutuu]

if we chop mafia today u should give tracker i think but otherwise doc seems fine yeah

[tutuu]

tony pls explain why u keep hard defending falcon or ur ass is grass if he flip read yeah fam

ok fine smh

so wassup?

[MacDougall]

wait tsp is also hard defending falcon and voted on dyson dude is clearly mafia why are you all playing this game on hard mode

[tutuu]

wait tsp is also hard defending falcon and voted on dyson dude is clearly mafia why are you all playing this game on hard mode

well axehole is doing the same thing ur describing - voted dyson and he convinced me and jay to unvote falcon and vote for alison today

[MacDougall]

wait tsp is also hard defending falcon and voted on dyson dude is clearly mafia why are you all playing this game on hard mode

well axehole is doing the same thing ur describing - voted dyson and he convinced me and jay to unvote falcon and vote for alison today

i am talking about tsp though

it matters less with axe tho because his meta is that when town he reads the game backwards with confidence whereas TSP would strictly have just sheeped dunya and jay at the end yesterday like 100% of the time imo

[MacDougall]

why the fuck did the wolves kill dyachei? good lord she catches some astonishing nks lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tony is as agreeable a chop as Alison to me. No gripe there.

[tutuu]

its falcon + alison i know best yall dont know as much as i do yeah

[tutuu]

everyone SHUSH yall better be obedient and do as i say mhm yeah

[tutuu]

dont wanna hear anyone talkin back or imma let u taste these hands

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Those who fail to obey my commands will be subjected to serious consequences, such as those that follow:

Spoiler: show

peepee poopoo

[tutuu]

Those who fail to obey my commands will be subjected to serious consequences, such as those that follow:

Spoiler: show

peepee poopoo

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

i forgot to be around at end of day i might have switched or had a stronger opinion

[MacDougall]

i forgot to be around at end of day i might have switched or had a stronger opinion

you were literally one of the last voters man

[tutuu]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

Tsp town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

You've vetoed falcon suspicion at every turn since the game began.

Please try to explain why, even if only in three words.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

You've vetoed falcon suspicion at every turn since the game began.

Please try to explain why, even if only in three words.

I have a decent falcon read, I think he's town. Alison also has a decent falcon read, so far she's avoiding weighing in.

[Alison]

Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

[falcon45ca]

All right, I got mad and lost my temper, and I'm sorry everyone. It's a game of lying & accusation, and I know that, and I let my emotions get the better of me.


JJJ in particular, I apologize.


I'm drinking now tho so I'm in a much better mood!

[falcon45ca]

I skimmed the thread a bit during my hiatus, and the only thing that stuck out to me was motel. His push on me is the only that feels opportunistic tbh.

[Alison]

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

Adding onto this: they're driven by self-preservation to a degree that seems uncharacteristic for town. Everyone else, even players in the POE, has been focusing more trying to figure out who they clear, who they trust, who they would POE, etc, and negotiating or collaborating with other town players to figure that out. There is a sense that as long as we can reach a good consensus about the POE we should be fine, even if the person in question is on it. I don't think motel is vibing with that sense at all, and they have focused one of their two posts today on attacking me for suspecting them (not on proffering reasons why my suspicions are invalid - just on suggesting that I have suspected them due to an agenda on my part) and the other on giving a static readslist and dipping. I'm not seeing much desire to engage with others, in an atmosphere where I think town would be very likely to want to do so.

[MacDougall]

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

You've vetoed falcon suspicion at every turn since the game began.

Please try to explain why, even if only in three words.

I have a decent falcon read, I think he's town. Alison also has a decent falcon read, so far she's avoiding weighing in.

you think he's town why

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[Alison]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole

Here's where I stand as far as POE goes. Amongst these five players, there is a sentiment that Nanook is town expressed by Axe, tutuu, and Jay. I don't buy the argument that he definitively would have committed to a push on either Scotty or Dyson if he was mafia. Axe seems to believe this narrative. tutuu and Jay are townreading him for other, unknown reasons - presumably he posted some townie things D1 or something.

I don't have a strong reason to especially scumread Nanook other than the fact that he was parked on a bad wagon. I don't believe the story that he would never do that as scum; I think he is well capable of doing so. But most of the people in the POE were parked on bad wagons, and if other people say his posts are townie, or have a GTH villager read on him, I'm content to place him higher (ie. less of a priority) in the POE.

I've spoken about motel. TSP is a blank for me; I'm not great at reading him in general and he hasn't given me much to work with here either. Falcon's poor interactions with Scotty has been highlighted. I'm fairly good at getting there when Falcon is town, even if he's under suspicion; I don't see anything that would lead me to think he's being wrongly suspected here. He can go in the lower POE for that.

NAA is pushing bad reads, but this is NAI for him. He had a slight spark of townieness in the contrarian way he approached the POE, slotting Dyson and Mizery in and clearing Falcon. I think this is townie for him. I don't think he hardpushes me if motel room is his partner; motel gets auto'd off my legacy and then he is in trouble for taking that stance. If motel room is his partner I'd expect him to try to keep me alive a bit to keep the outcome of that suspicion uncertain (a la dizzy and alison in basic mafia). If he's partners with nook it would be strange of him to hardclear someone who is very easily exeable before nook is. That I can plausibly read him as being non-aligned with two other people in the POE (one of whom is my strongest scumread) is a plus point for him.

I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

[Alison]

That Dyson's entire wagon was on the POE makes me feel good about him.

I think tutuu is cleared off this post:

I could vote motel room I guess

Tutuu, I know you only have 9 posts left but you wanna wonder twins activate and vote in a bloc today?


I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing

This is something that a wolf under pressure says to someone they're trying to pocket and convince to work with them, not a partner.

Mac has the claim and is pushing largely the same POE as me now so he is town.

Scotty was exed by a slim enough margin that I am satisfied with my clear of everyone on his wagon.

My weakest clear is probably Mizery, who I liked because I don't think mafia has a reason to hop from one vanity wagon to another and it's a difficult thing to fake. I'll double check my read there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

read his day one please

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I'm going to take that post as an indication that alison has read falcon's day 1 and therefore am going to [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

Mizery dumbtelled D1 and then refused credit for it. I have seen mafia do this to strengthen townreads. (I myself did it in Buckets. I was town there, though.) Is Mizery the kind of person to do that? I don't get the sense he is. He doesn't seem like a tryhard wolf who spends all his days thinking of sneaky ways to humiliate the town. I believe the dumbtell is NAI - mafia can be clueless about the setup, too - but I am inclined to take "aw, shucks, you shouldn't be clearing me for something like that" reaction at face value.

This post also looks good for Mizery:

Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up

I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

This looks like a pocket, not a partner.

Between the dumbtell reaction and Scotty's spew, as well as my earlier point about their EOD, I am content with my Mizery clear.