Bonk Mafia (TOWN WINS)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

hot take

team is rando/nanook

Why?

[tutuu]

i think the team is 2/3 from alison, mizery, motel room

[Mizery]

@Mizery who's mafia?

tbh I was about to say mac and falcon but then I looked at the voting and then I saw rondo's claim but yeah

rondo/mac team would be funny

[tutuu]

my reads are aligned with axehole's

[Mizery]

@Mizery who's mafia?

tbh I was about to say mac and falcon but then I looked at the voting and then I saw rondo's claim but yeah

rondo/mac team would be funny

like, not a thing
but would be funny

something in me really just wants mac to be mafia so this is sad

[RondoDimBuckle]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

[Mizery]

I can't read tutuu scum for just shitposting sometimes because I do that but I'd need to go back and look at when it went from

> kill alison, kill motel room

to

> kill alison, kill misery/motel

because I just saw it happen after Axe expressed interest in killing me tomorrow or whatnot but I'd have to look back on that tbh

[Mizery]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

that's a pointless use because

> if he is scum and you target him you might get a town result because wack

> if he is town...then he is town and you will get town.

I mean.
Yeah.

This doesn't make much sense but neither does it not make any

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Her treatment of falcon is my current biggest doubt. She gives enough town credit to try to appease Tony's expectations for a proper meta read, and takes enough back to ensure he's still POE and choppable.

[tutuu]

I can't read tutuu scum for just shitposting sometimes because I do that but I'd need to go back and look at when it went from

> kill alison, kill motel room

to

> kill alison, kill misery/motel

because I just saw it happen after Axe expressed interest in killing me tomorrow or whatnot but I'd have to look back on that tbh

ur mafia

[Mizery]

I can't read tutuu scum for just shitposting sometimes because I do that but I'd need to go back and look at when it went from

> kill alison, kill motel room

to

> kill alison, kill misery/motel

because I just saw it happen after Axe expressed interest in killing me tomorrow or whatnot but I'd have to look back on that tbh

I just spelled my name wrong go me

[RondoDimBuckle]

Who is my check for the night?

[Mizery]

hot take

team is rando/nanook

Why?

this was a joke on their crosspost tbh

[tutuu]

well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

no dont check mac lol

he is only mafia pr giver if dunya was town pr giver. but even if dunya was town pr giver, she would have been forced to give someone a pr. noone claimed it. she said it herself she didnt give it to anyone. also mac claiming is risky af as mafia

he's jus town, dw about it. use your power on people in the poe pls

alison and TSP i think are the consensus scumreads that noone towneads. pls check one of them

well u are dying tonight so it shouldnt matter but just for protocols sake

[Mizery]

Who is my check for the night?

I feel like it should be some conditional based on the flip today but that's all my thoughts on the matter

Everyone else seems smart, I'll just...let the grown ups talk

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@RondoDimBuckle please do not check Mac.

[RondoDimBuckle]

hot take

team is rando/nanook

Why?

this was a joke on their crosspost tbh

thats a weird thought because I do not trust nanook

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle please do not check Mac.

Understood. Check. Mac. Locked in.

[Mizery]

hot take

team is rando/nanook

Why?

this was a joke on their crosspost tbh

thats a weird thought because I do not trust nanook

what does that have to do with anything tbh can you elaborate?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Who is my check for the night?

I feel like it should be some conditional based on the flip today but that's all my thoughts on the matter

Everyone else seems smart, I'll just...let the grown ups talk

Duh, if we dont have who we are flipping locked before the last 2 hours it will be a random bus that wolves will take advantage of, if we figure it out now then we can pre pick who I am checking :think:

[RondoDimBuckle]

I kinda want to check Tutuu or Nanook because I feel like there has to be a deep wolf and I would pick one of them or JJJ to be deep wolf. But I have a hard on for deep wolves

[Mizery]

Who is my check for the night?

I feel like it should be some conditional based on the flip today but that's all my thoughts on the matter

Everyone else seems smart, I'll just...let the grown ups talk

Duh, if we dont have who we are flipping locked before the last 2 hours it will be a random bus that wolves will take advantage of, if we figure it out now then we can pre pick who I am checking :think:

I'm gonna smile and nod until someone else tells me that we aren't understanding eachother tbh

[Mizery]

I trust tutuu less than nanook but that's basically for her chaos and flip on me tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What kind of cop did you say you got?

Mac, Tutuu and I have already said, 2 shot cop, good or bad only

I mean you just called it a role cop lol, had to make sure

[Mizery]

though I expect someone to answer with something along the lines of "you fake derpslipped and then tried to coast on that" tbh

[Mizery]

What kind of cop did you say you got?

Mac, Tutuu and I have already said, 2 shot cop, good or bad only

I mean you just called it a role cop lol, had to make sure

inb4 the team is actually legitimately rando/mac and they just did a bad fake cop claim

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Who is my check for the night?

Do you think it will matter

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Her treatment of falcon is my current biggest doubt. She gives enough town credit to try to appease Tony's expectations for a proper meta read, and takes enough back to ensure he's still POE and choppable.

fwiw mindmeld

[RondoDimBuckle]

Who is my check for the night?

Do you think it will matter

wolves killed Dunya over role giver?

Yes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up

I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

This doesn't look like teammates to me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Who is my check for the night?

Do you think it will matter

wolves killed Dunya over role giver?

Yes

I think you always die tonight tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

What kind of cop did you say you got?

Mac, Tutuu and I have already said, 2 shot cop, good or bad only

I mean you just called it a role cop lol, had to make sure

inb4 the team is actually legitimately rando/mac and they just did a bad fake cop claim

I or mac am probably dead tonight so you can put this on the back burner

[Mizery]

Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up

I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

This doesn't look like teammates to me.

I am riding on a high from my read on scotty there tbqh

[RondoDimBuckle]

Who is my check for the night?

Do you think it will matter

wolves killed Dunya over role giver?

Yes

I think you always die tonight tbh

well dont help them out

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean they don't need help for that lol

[Mizery]

imo the way you don't die is if they gave out a doc shot D1 and then didn't target mac because they thought their doc would be on him, and then 2 shots so they think he'll be on you tonight

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

[Mizery]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ll state the obvious: barring someone else getting a role or Dunya not claiming yesterday Mac is actually confirmed town and doubts on this are to be postponed until like day 5

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok Time to Re-Read Dunya because she is big brain and the reason I voted Scotty

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LC
MR
axehole
rondo
TSP
scotty
mac
probably nook

my town reads as of 6.40pm on august 11

These are the initial gut reads

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dunya
Lime Coke/JJJ
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
RondoDimBuckle
Master Radishes
Mizery
MacDougall
NotAnAxehole

^ pretty confident in reasons to call these folks town in that order, with possible error on one who would be in the bottom three of that tier.

Dyson sphere

^ will shield for at least day 1 and day 2 cos i haven't played with dyson in YEARS and will not allow him to be mischopped. also i think he's more likely town here from his response re: motel room.

motel room

^ probably just town here, i trust jay's analysis on everything that isn't the discord stuff specifically. i jumped the shark there. interesting would to be note the reactions of people who didn't correct me. ill iso later too now that my red colored glasses are off

tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

^ my poe as of august 12 11.05am

tonally, scotty is still the worst of them. LM probabbbbbly just town, but it's so hard for me to ever read a low poster confidently.

Is there a reason to keep shielding Dyson here?

tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

POE as of end of Day 1

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rondo
falcon
scotty

i dont think all three of them are mafia, but i am 100% sure mafia lies within those three.

don't like the whole reaction of scotty, i dunno why jay moved off him for silly reasons, but undermining my genuine case on him the way he did is defo something wolves have done with me before just cos i can't articulate my suspicions in big shiny cases like most ccan

falcon feels like the mischop if thread activity is anything to go by.

if falcon is town, it could mean rondo and scotty are both w. or one of them still is. if falcon is mafia, then rondo is likely town based on voting patterns i think.

If we follow this logic Falcon and myself are clear

tutuu
lost monkey
Scotty - dead

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i think tutuu is just town here based on her last mega mammoth post.

If we follow this


lost monkey
Scotty - dead

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@Dyson sphere definitely play at your pace and how you like; no one can ask anything else from you! you're already doing a great job cos i actively town read you, your progression on jay is believable, you're basically Innocent Child walking now. half the game is about not being chopped and the other half hunting for the right scum.

jay isn't mafia, and i'll watch 1 season of whatever show you want if he flips mafia.

but let me ask you something else since you said everyone but jay seems town-- who is your biggest Town read from everyone else or if you can biggest TWO?

More love for JJJ and Dyson


lost monkey
Scotty - dead

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I think everyone in this game is town, except JJJ. He is clearly mafia. If a player gets replaced, do they get a new alignment or is it always the same one the original player had?

it is the same role card, dyson. i've played many games with jay over the last few years and what if i told you i'm certain he's town?

Wait, so if JJJ is mafia, then you are either mafia too or you are mistaken

yes, if jjj is mafia, i'm mafia too. willing to bet on that.

more love for JJJ

Leaving

lost monkey
Scotty - dead

Using one of my posts to possibly predict who Dunya a confirmed town would ask us to vote:

Lost Monkey

[VOTE: Lost Monkey ] aubergine

[Mizery]

waht

[RondoDimBuckle]

Posts counts as of EOD D1

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dunya 89
Dyson sphere 31
falcon45ca 100
JaggedJimmyJay 50
lost monkey 6
MacDougall 99
Master Radishes 74
Mizery 60
motel room 36
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 69
NotAnAxehole 32
RondoDimBuckle 78
TonyStarkPrime 33
tutuu 100

Available post counts for D2; to reference, please see your "Posts in topic" amount in your avatar bit to the left.

dunya 189
Dyson sphere 131
falcon45ca 200
JaggedJimmyJay 150
lost monkey 106
MacDougall 199
Master Radishes 174
Mizery 160
motel room 136
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 169
NotAnAxehole 132
RondoDimBuckle 178
TonyStarkPrime 133
tutuu 200

LM also confirmed lowest poster and lowest impact on the game so far. Pruning is a boon for town

[RondoDimBuckle]

Now to actually look through Alisons ISO as of Day 2

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

[Mizery]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

but mac had claimed pr

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

you cant town read someone night 0

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

but mac had claimed pr

Headdesk

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

you cant town read someone night 0

Double headdesk

[Mizery]

I mean Dunia/dya is a weird choice for a doc dodge

they were pretty townread though tbh idk

Thats why it was a weird choice yeah

but mac had claimed pr

Headdesk

halp

[RondoDimBuckle]

A lower post count than Axe with 55 if you include LM's poosts not a good sign.

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Good afternoon. I will not backread anything except Scotty's ISO.

[VOTE: motel room] aubergine

Refuses to take in the whole game, NAI?
Random vote not explained

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I am sorry but you will not get top form Alison this game. I was on a month break from mafia for personal reasons and I only subbed into this game to help Syn out. JJJ killed a scum D1 so I will sheep him. Mac is probably scum for voting town JJJ. Nanook is probably scum for sheeping Mac onto a bad vote. motel room is probably scum because Scotty treated him really awkwardly. tutuu says there's some interactions with falcon and I think she's town so I'll trust her.

That's all I have for now.

Says we wont get top game as an excuse for not catching up on a sub in game?
Proceeds to actually try and impact the game, actions do not match up with words here.

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall

I took out the names I cleared. This is the POE that remains. If anyone has a reason to clear one of these names or to un-clear someone I cleared, speak up.

If Alison flips scum it is likely the POE here does not contain the final wolf. hiding the wolf in not saying their name?

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I also easily could've saved OR bussed scotty at eod, so whichever you think my meta is i should be a relatively easy townread atp

Meh. W/T wagons means someone who's off both wagons is more suspicious. Lots of wolves don't want to make a hard choice between looking really bad by outing to save a teammate or sealing their fate by bussing so they sit on a vanity wagon and pray. Tell me why you wouldn't be one of those wolves.

Following this logic. LM chose to not vote because at that point there was no choice, make yourself look terrible and vote for anyone but scotty or jump on at the last second and look like a bus?

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Prediction: Scotty doesn't die if Dyson is town.

I also have a narrow Poe I'm ok voting in. Lomo/Alison makes a lot of sense for a mafia slot if Dyson is town due to the lack of self preservation.

If you're referring to LoMo not showing up at EOD to self pres, he is a chronic slanker and will happily afk as both alignments without regard for his survival.

Not sure if actually true, could be a way of excusing behavior.

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I'm serious.

I don't think I've ever given a shit about looking bad in that way

Like

I either bus scotty for the cred or I save him, I dont leave it to rand, that's the worst of both worlds

I could've easily justified either choice

This is exactly what you did in Modern Family.

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Iirc my PoE after flip was

Alison
Dyson
Misery
Nanook (only if also with Dyson)

I might be forgetting someone, but I think all of the mafia are in the above list. Maybe Alison / misery are the optimal kills today then, not Dyson.

I think only one person on this list is likely to be mafia and it's the person with the caveat, so

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For those not familiar with the meta: in Modern Family, T&T (scum) was tied with BT (town) in 4-4. Nanook (scum) voted Mana, a smaller wagon also on town, pushing it to 3 votes instead of making a hard call whether to bus T&T or save them. It is quite literally an exact replica of the situation here.

so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?

Then it's probably just motel and nook

so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?

Then it's probably just motel and nook

Alison and Nanook are not on the same team?

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Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

A push on Motel, TSP and Faclon all in one post.

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole

Here's where I stand as far as POE goes. Amongst these five players, there is a sentiment that Nanook is town expressed by Axe, tutuu, and Jay. I don't buy the argument that he definitively would have committed to a push on either Scotty or Dyson if he was mafia. Axe seems to believe this narrative. tutuu and Jay are townreading him for other, unknown reasons - presumably he posted some townie things D1 or something.

I don't have a strong reason to especially scumread Nanook other than the fact that he was parked on a bad wagon. I don't believe the story that he would never do that as scum; I think he is well capable of doing so. But most of the people in the POE were parked on bad wagons, and if other people say his posts are townie, or have a GTH villager read on him, I'm content to place him higher (ie. less of a priority) in the POE.

I've spoken about motel. TSP is a blank for me; I'm not great at reading him in general and he hasn't given me much to work with here either. Falcon's poor interactions with Scotty has been highlighted. I'm fairly good at getting there when Falcon is town, even if he's under suspicion; I don't see anything that would lead me to think he's being wrongly suspected here. He can go in the lower POE for that.

NAA is pushing bad reads, but this is NAI for him. He had a slight spark of townieness in the contrarian way he approached the POE, slotting Dyson and Mizery in and clearing Falcon. I think this is townie for him. I don't think he hardpushes me if motel room is his partner; motel gets auto'd off my legacy and then he is in trouble for taking that stance. If motel room is his partner I'd expect him to try to keep me alive a bit to keep the outcome of that suspicion uncertain (a la dizzy and alison in basic mafia). If he's partners with nook it would be strange of him to hardclear someone who is very easily exeable before nook is. That I can plausibly read him as being non-aligned with two other people in the POE (one of whom is my strongest scumread) is a plus point for him.

I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

Mac has been removed from POE nothing stellar.

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Something of note: both TSP and Axe, who are in the POE, (both mine and the game's collective POE) seem eager to clear Falcon, who is currently a major suspect. I don't think they would do this if they were teamed with someone else in the POE that wasn't Falcon since in that world Falcon is town and they need his misexe. So if they are mafia they are most likely teamed with Falcon.

Placing Axe within the POE when no one day one that I rate personally had axe in the POE also could be seen as a lie?

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Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.

JJJ, Rondo, MR, tutuu, Dyson, Mac. I'm confident in all of 'em.

Final stance on town

Im not going to link them all but alison does a lot of secret and direct clearing of Dyson

if alison is wolf, Dyson is partner?

Have a read of ISO and let me know what you think