The Molly Maguires Mafia (ENDGAME)

[MacDougall]

Also yeah iaafr is town.

I could find my way into sussing you less if I didn't read so much of your content as tmi

[MacDougall]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

I feel conviction in this read

[EnderWiggin]

Also yeah iaafr is town.

I could find my way into sussing you less if I didn't read so much of your content as tmi

I want to remind you that you tried going after me in Hydra G4 because my reads were "TMI" but I was town.

[MacDougall]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

his reaction feels unaligned and i feel like a kami/ender wolfteam would have them both doing different things right now, but that's just vague conjecture and not backed by anything concrete

i mean im townreading him and i have trouble agreeing with any of the wolfreads on him so that's coloring my view

kami's most recent reaction to your post also reads as "not actually a player who is actually bussing ender"

it was here that it dawned on me that iaafr is almost always mafia if Ender is town

[MacDougall]

also can be partners but less likely

[MacDougall]

Also yeah iaafr is town.

I could find my way into sussing you less if I didn't read so much of your content as tmi

I want to remind you that you tried going after me in Hydra G4 because my reads were "TMI" but I was town.

but alas there is a lot more to my concerns with you here than just that... its simply the thing pushing me to the point of having you as my top wolf

[MacDougall]

I will say that Kami hard-busses in odd ways as scum and I could absolutely seeing her set things up like this if we were w/w.

this is also a reasonably towny post

[MacDougall]

nothing ender's posted has given you doubt?

i feel like im almost going crazy but im not the type to hard defend even if he's my 2nd top town atp

[MacDougall]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?

I don't see it likely that the only 2 wolves in a 9p mountainous would immediately hard-align.

If there is than one of them is probably Mac but I also was kinda townreading him earlier so

1) Why not?

2) You've suspected both me and Kami way more than you've suspected Mac, and you actually pointed out earlier that Kami initially sussed me and then pivoted to you for vague reasons. Given those thoughts, I'd expect you to find a Kami-Alison wolfteam most likely, not a Mac-X wolfteam. The fact that Kami came in calling my tone wolfy and awkward lines up with your own theory that wolves would be uncomfortable hard aligning instantly, so... why isn't that team higher up in your list of possibilities?

3) Why do you think a wolf is pushing you at all, anyway? Me/Mac/Kami are all hardheaded townies who will tunnel their first suspect, even if that person is town. If you're town, can't the wolves be sitting back and eating popcorn while watching us kill you?

I think more likely they would be doing what rabbit is doing given ender is capable as town of digging himself out of holes

[EnderWiggin]

Alas.

Quick thought provoker:
Reason I came to an Esooa/Luckbox read is how the two of them treat partners as scum.

Luckbox will tend to scumread them to an extent but never put them as top scum unless pushed to.

Esooa will try to play protective on teammates and semi-powerwolf until the teammates are in the line of fire where she will scumread them but re-direct attention until she can't anymore.

I'll get the posts that made me think this way later.

[MacDougall]

Ender
Alisonn
Esooa
Iaafr

both scum are in this list i guarantee it

always at least 1 but I feel like it is almost a given 112 slot was wolf at this point in my catch up...

there aren't great wolf/wolf pairings I can make here ... like alison/esooa is plausible but it's very unlikely just because I'm decently townreading both...

I feel like iaafr/112 has more merit than ender/112 has due to the way Ender has fought ... didn't fight like someone with no teammate. Iaafr never really got put under all that much pressure and even at one point lamented vociferously the absence of 112.

[MacDougall]

esooa i miss ur words can u bring light to this game

I reeeeally think this dude has just been hard-core pocketing esooa all game.

[Esooa]

that'd be funny if so

[MacDougall]

one paranoid world ive floated is "esooa is spending her energy coaching LC how to play scum" but whatevz we'll let em have it if thats the world

iaafr ignores esooa's 112 is outed post and immediately puts some tinfoil on her.

this is wolfy in a very crafty way.

[MacDougall]

that'd be funny if so

I feel like I don't buy basically any of his reads but in isolation his posts look mostly towny and thoughtful. There's a lot of townreads on slots that I don't feel were towny. A lot of random speculative tinfoil in opportunistic moments and just very little to vibe with him on.

[EnderWiggin]

I can definitely see a possible 112 world where I'm wrong and Esooa is just town. (If Wilgy flips red then Esooa is lock town yes.)

[Esooa]

whatd you think of his philo 2 posts doe

[MacDougall]

My money is on Kami and Esooa being the mafia

past mac u suck pal

[MacDougall]

it was honestly a pretty bad meta tell that esooa herself showed awareness enough of to be able to do as scum so yea

also i walk back even stuff i call lock town or lock scum pretty regularly

macs callout is interesting but does not inspire confidence, neither in it being correct nor it being town indicative for him

what was interesting about it?

[MacDougall]

@112 pls

pls

esooa b real r u just calling 112 outed because u wanna be shane warne calling adam outed

don't love this if 112 slot is mafia

[EnderWiggin]

Me at EOD1:
Iaafr is town and I will die on this hill.

Me part way through night:
Maybe it was I who was wrong.

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin

Next time you're on can you give me who you think is town and reasons behind it?

You for meta reasons.
Iaafr because towny worldbuilding + questioning

Weakish townreads on:
Esooa
Mac

The two above for varying degrees of belligerence (For Mac) and self-awareness (for Esooa) that is rand!v for them.

Questioning:
Kami - Because I actually think this is markedly different from scum games I've played with her.

Which leaves a descending POE of:
112
Luckbox
Alison
Ender

towny

[MacDougall]

true

i am townlocking ender wiggin and we will kill everybody who dares challenge him and if they get him killed we will kill all of them

huh

[MacDougall]

I think his answer to me asking him his townreads was enough for me to let him go this day phase, tbh.

Main issue I had with him was seeing him say he made a towncore during his argument with Kami, and the only thing I remembered was him talking about his meta read on me.

Which, is fair and it's at least showing he's trying to solve me, but, it's me. Mafia typically hang their hats on townreading me and try to push on everyone else.

I think his reads and reasonings were fine, overall.

points

[Esooa]

I got someone killed for not simping for me so I already won this game

[MacDougall]

luckbox Kami interactions should be looked into because luckbox could be a wolf and he's not done enough to make me think he's town

I'm sheeping kamis meta townread on lb now hbu?

[MacDougall]

I'm probably going to have to read but Esooa's approach to Kami-- especially if she said she can't read Kami when I definitely remember her literally teaching me how to read Kami-- is weird/wolfy

dude just town

[MacDougall]

that's one of the places I'm considering voting but esooa townreading her gives me pause

more pocketing

[Alison]

I think LC is scummy honestly.

But I suspect his alignment will become clear by EOD1 anyway.

has it tho

Kinda. I think Ender either has a good read on him or TMI'd him. His alignment is not super clear in the natural sense but he's not in my POE.

[MacDougall]

I still find Rabbit towny as hell I'm just confused at this game state right now.

what do you find towny about him?

@Luckbox Inc also you?

[MacDougall]

I think LC is scummy honestly.

But I suspect his alignment will become clear by EOD1 anyway.

has it tho

Kinda. I think Ender either has a good read on him or TMI'd him. His alignment is not super clear in the natural sense but he's not in my POE.

agree

[MacDougall]

ender Wiggin is town because he's not trying to act villagery and fake his posts are just things that he thinks

could be out leveling myself on this read, because I think he does have some scummy posts, but town

Alison is town just for having consistently good thoughts that are relevant. I don't care to explain tbh but it's facts

Mac is probably town because of the way he's playing too but I don't care to explain that either

LC can be town sure mostly sheeping, I never care to read him much day 1

luckbox if he's a wolf is bussing someone. And he's currently wolf reading only people I think are town so....

wolves are Kami 112

I think you had the going of it here with the exception of kami and why did you leave iaafr out?

[Esooa]

because I forgot him

[MacDougall]

Watch my scummiest move yet:
[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

I really don't have an issue with this vote at the time. I can see how a town you can get to here. And she was one of the few offering to townread you (albeit not strongly) so going at her isn't a wolfy move.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall ftr if I die I'd never vote iaafr ever

I'm sorry but I'm probs gonna tunnel iaafr all game. I doubt I'll get him over if he's town (or mafia tbh) tho so not to worry.

[MacDougall]

possibly down to vote esooa tomorrow and blame kami if wrong now

this is the new towniest post iaafr has made

[MacDougall]

ive been passively keeping track of which kami susses i actually agree with and there was a period where i thought her sus of alison, which popped up twice, was possibly the most compelling one

also possibly esooa, whose behavior around me could easily be construed as pockety

but part of what made me want to kill kami over esooa was the impression that kami was just throwing out all sorts of shade at different points and like, her bad susses of me eroded my trust in her

so her flips actually kind of useful to me for that reason but idk if its actually that useful, would depend on her being right (though i know kami has decent accuracy at points, so i just wanna hope so?)

alison/esooa is possibly a world idk

also towny

this is bad news bears for my gamestate

[MacDougall]

so overall like eh yea I have no problems with the exe and tbh Mac's posts here are just kinda bad cause iaafr is obviously town

if I take you both as town it leaves me in an interesting spot where 112 was just always wolfing and the other one can just be anyone at all with maybe ender specifically the least likely

[Esooa]

so overall like eh yea I have no problems with the exe and tbh Mac's posts here are just kinda bad cause iaafr is obviously town

if I take you both as town it leaves me in an interesting spot where 112 was just always wolfing and the other one can just be anyone at all with maybe ender specifically the least likely

yea I know this is why it's really stupid to have a zero poster in a 9er

[Alison]

Not into this iaafr tinfoil.

Don't think Mac is scum though.

[Alison]

I have no interest in voting iaafr, Mac, or LC.

That leaves Esooa, Ender, 112 and Luckbox.

We have three exes so I just have to clear one person from this list.

@MacDougall I am interested in hearing your Luckbox towncase.

I don't think Esooa and Ender can be together. I don't really think it's Esooa and Luckbox because of the way Esooa treated my read on Luckbox. Every other team is possible.

Possibly we just flip 112, if 112 is town then Esooa can have no partners and Ender/Luckbox is outed.

[Alison]

I am also interested in hearing from anyone who objects to my three clears (iaafr, Mac, LC). I have heard Mac's tinfoil on iaafr and don't find it convincing.

[Esooa]

it'd be funny if I was with 112

[Alison]

FTR I don't think Mac sees iaafr as a necessary misexe at all if he is mafia (regardless of his partner) so I don't think that his decision to tinfoil iaafr is scummy.

[Alison]

it'd be funny if I was with 112

It would because of how annoyed you got at having a 0 poster teammate.

[MacDougall]

aight I caught up to where I started spamming and here is my appraisal

Alison I found the least pingy. She doesn't usually snow me so I'm taking her as town.

And hopefully all this posting just gets me killed.
Lime Coke and Luckbox had moments where I just saw them inno childing. The way the thread is reading them makes them probably town unless they are the mafia together tbh. I put a lot of stock into Kami's read on LB here.

Esooa
Iaafr
Ender

There is probably a wolf in here. Ender on the surface feels the most likely. He was wolfy to start and bad at eod with some towny shit in the middle. Esooa and Iaafr were kind of the inverse. The way they treated each other does give me pocketing vibes mostly from Iaafr towards Esooa. I am not comfortable really pushing any of them here but due to this weird gamestate I think one of them must be mafia. I feel like Esooa has been the towniest of the three, Ender voting her against a town Kami (who was townreading him no less) is also a decent place for him to end up. Iaafr feels like he should be mafia but in moments he's been incredibly towny. I really have nfi.

DrWilgy just has to be mafia here otherwise I've got nfi. If he isn't ... hopefully day 2 provides more answers.

[MacDougall]

I have no interest in voting iaafr, Mac, or LC.

That leaves Esooa, Ender, 112 and Luckbox.

We have three exes so I just have to clear one person from this list.

@MacDougall I am interested in hearing your Luckbox towncase.

I don't think Esooa and Ender can be together. I don't really think it's Esooa and Luckbox because of the way Esooa treated my read on Luckbox. Every other team is possible.

Possibly we just flip 112, if 112 is town then Esooa can have no partners and Ender/Luckbox is outed.

luckbox towncase is in my catch up... couple of joltingly towny takes plus he was Kamis most confident read.

[Esooa]

Mac call me town for towning luckbox for good reasons and pushing 112

[Esooa]

and being cute and innocent

[Alison]

It's actually amazing how much more fun mafia is when the player list is quality. The most annoying thing that has happened so far is 112 zeroposting.