Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry for the delay. Real life is tricky.

Dyslexicon was killed.

Spoiler: show

He was the Red Spy. He was a member of town.

Day 2 Begins!

[Lime Coke]

Town:
Nanook
Falcon
Dizzy
LP
Gavial
DrWilgy
Dolby
Guillo

8 towns, include me would make it 9.

That leaves....

Jack
Mac
Marmot
Martin
NAA
Sabie
Sig
TSP


So I'm in hopes that most of mafia are in the list of those 8. If I manage to get all of them in there then I'd be pretty happy.

why x 8?

where's seanzie?

He should be in towns it's a good thing you said that.

The irony when my last post on Day 1 was saying that Sean should be in my town list.

Annnd he's the CFD and flips town.

Ballin'.

[Lime Coke]

Feel like TSP is taking into some sort of commander role at least with the powers and trying to point town towards the right direction whenever he's here, so he goes into town list.

[Lime Coke]

Actually...

[LinearPoint]

So did both Engies get roleblocked if there are no buildings in either base?

[DrWilgy]

Mph mphnmh mrh Mph mphmm.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Engineer bases are open for business!

Wait, but what is an engineer base anyway? Do I have to read that long-ass role description?

Yes, but for the lazy or busy among you, I have brought the Engineer himself, Mr. Dell Conagher, to explain what his whole deal is about.



Engineer bases have the following buildings:

- Blue Engineer: Dispenser
- Red Engineer: Dispenser

So whatever you pick, you will be served by a Dispenser, giving you +1 vote for this day phase. However, being in the base means you are not in combat, blocking you for the whole day/night cycle!

If you are interested, choose what base you want to join in the next 24 hours, by sending me a PM telling me which color of engineer base you wanna enter. Only one of you will be able to enter each base, and the Engineer will choose who gets in.

And remember: If you are town, make sure you enter a base from a town engineer, and if you are mafia, from a mafia engineer, otherwise the Dispenser won't work for you, but you'll still be blocked!

[Lime Coke]

Town:
Nanook
Falcon
Dizzy
LP
Gavial
DrWilgy
Dolby
Guillo

8 towns, include me would make it 9.

That leaves....

Jack
Mac
Marmot
Martin
NAA
Sabie
Sig
TSP


So I'm in hopes that most of mafia are in the list of those 8. If I manage to get all of them in there then I'd be pretty happy.

Nice, a comprehensive view.

What makes Dolby town to you? I don't think they've done anything AI indicative yet.
For me, I'd be tempted to put both Mac and TSP as tentative town.
It's a bit tough, cause large part of the game isn't active at all.
You also forgot Sean.
I'm more comfortable with Guillo, Sean, LP and you as town. I think I've explained most of those reads somewhere, except you. But I just feel like you seem normal enough lol.

LP and Guillo congrats you 2 are now IC's for this game.

Mac and TSP are strongly in the towncore.

[LinearPoint]

Both built dispensers? That's gonna be a lot of voting power...

[LinearPoint]

Actually wondering if Mafia has 2 Engies then and they're setting up to just sweep with voting power.

[Lime Coke]

By the way back in Batman Mafia where NAA was mafia, he never posted at all and just moved his vote around to the lead wagon until EOD.

Here he did basically the same thing with barely posting until EOD.

I'm about 90% sure this dude is just mafia.

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@falcon45ca

When you get on let me know your full thought process on Gavial.

[MartinGG99]

Actually wondering if Mafia has 2 Engies then and they're setting up to just sweep with voting power.

fwiw I was trying to pick Dispenser in part specifically because I thought the other engi would pick sentry

and so maybe we would get some level of info based on who applied to either the base with the dispense or the base with the sentry

also I think if I get blocked or saved my dispenser should be destroyed and not the sentry when I try to build it later on as my 2nd building

[LinearPoint]

I honestly feel NAA is not really going to be worth the lynch today because there are others who were acting worse. Quick lynching him I don't think is ever the play TBH.
For once Sig, Jack, and Sabie were being heavily pushed by Dizzy and a lot of people had Dizzy as null to scum yesterday so the Mafia really had no reason to kill Dizzy unless Dizzy was actually accurate with their reads.
Gav Mafia I also don't think would have killed Dizzzy honestly. He'd be too confident he could lynch Dizzy today.

[Lime Coke]

Sabie is probably one because of how Dizzy was reacting at EOD yesterday.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly I was more thinking Sabie just because that CFD was way too fast and convenient onto someone literally no one was even saying was suspicious all day.

[sig]

Hey I'm here sorry for going awall second part of last phase work got crazy. I"ll catch up on the thread today. Does look like we had a cfd which smh those never work shame.

Immediatly thinking we should review dizzy post see what's up with them, but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names. Especially since one of those names are mine

[sig]

If someone can give me a quick recap I"ll also take that as I catch up.

[MartinGG99]

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

[LinearPoint]

Hey I'm here sorry for going awall second part of last phase work got crazy. I"ll catch up on the thread today. Does look like we had a cfd which smh those never work shame.

Immediatly thinking we should review dizzy post see what's up with them, but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names. Especially since one of those names are mine

See and this is why I put your name out.
Immediately throw sus at me for suggesting you could be Mafia who killed one of your only pushers, you don't really sound genuinely angry at the CFD just "smh," and just seem so nonchalant and calm in this post suggesting to review Dizzy's posts before going for any conclusions.
This just doesn't sound all that genuine.

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

[Dyslexicon]

Good luck, town.

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@Dolby

Well, since you're here, why did you specifically vote Seanzie?

[sig]

Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Again didn't just dip, and really didn't get any heat since I don't consider one tunneling towny to be heat.

And again I said pre game i'd be busy, I work sorry can't be around playing mafia 24/7.

I find these two posts especially bad given it allowed falcon to avoid a wagon and he's played enough with me anyway.

For the dizzy thing, the only thing I see from him suspecting me was an agreement with Gullio and that's so nonsensical i'm ignoring it and the fact he didn't like how i described Gavil playstyle, which sorry I stick by that. I liked his post, he was posting early content, and that's that.

[sig]

First thing I always do on a catch up is search my name so.

I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Correct after they omgus me

This is 100% false.

1. You gave a totally nonsensical reason, literally was based off a very obvious D0 joke post. Then preceded to do very little actual hunting and just pester ppl to vote for me. Also I stuck around for a very long time so the whole dipped when got heat thing is very much false.

Honestly yeah I can kind of see that reading Sig's posts.
What mostly get's me is their lack of reads in favor of bread crums of reads such as questions like "is Sean usually aggressive" and simple things like "I don't like this" or "I like this"
This is probably the most egregious one.

Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Is gavial usually high content mafia member?

Since I'm liking the level of though and quality of his posts atm

It's basically just shade while saying he thinks he's town.

This isn't shade it's a genuine question based off ameta I don't know. Which like nobody bothered to answer anyway.

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Like the only person I remember saying anything about Sean being sus that was on the wagon was Mac during Day 0 and continuing it on early Day 1. I'm trying to remember if there was anyone else that was actually on the wagon.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I honestly feel NAA is not really going to be worth the lynch today because there are others who were acting worse. Quick lynching him I don't think is ever the play TBH.
For once Sig, Jack, and Sabie were being heavily pushed by Dizzy and a lot of people had Dizzy as null to scum yesterday so the Mafia really had no reason to kill Dizzy unless Dizzy was actually accurate with their reads.
Gav Mafia I also don't think would have killed Dizzzy honestly. He'd be too confident he could lynch Dizzy today.

An interesting idea.

Only I’m not a wolf and Sig and Sabie end up yeeted anyway.

So….is that the only interpretation for that result?

[MartinGG99]

but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names

could you elaborate on why you think this is indicative of someone being a wolf

or indicative of not being town

[Guillotine]

We yeet Sabie today and the vig night kills NAA.

[LinearPoint]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

[Lime Coke]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

[Dolby]

@Dolby

Well, since you're here, why did you specifically vote Seanzie?

kinda felt that the way that he went about the claims super early and was a bit insistent to it wasn't the best and didn't understand his susses.

also ngl I don't want to be lumped in with that cfd bc 1. I voted a full 60 minutes before the CFDers smh and 2. none of them but Nanook made their vote known in any visible way. I still don't know how was the other 1-2 people on Seanzie pre-CFD

like yeah I voted there near EoD and I get it lol

[sig]

Hey I'm here sorry for going awall second part of last phase work got crazy. I"ll catch up on the thread today. Does look like we had a cfd which smh those never work shame.

Immediatly thinking we should review dizzy post see what's up with them, but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names. Especially since one of those names are mine

See and this is why I put your name out.
Immediately throw sus at me for suggesting you could be Mafia who killed one of your only pushers, you don't really sound genuinely angry at the CFD just "smh," and just seem so nonchalant and calm in this post suggesting to review Dizzy's posts before going for any conclusions.
This just doesn't sound all that genuine.

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

I don't take this game series enough to be anything other than smh. I mean if you want me to fake some outrage I will, buuuuut we cfd so much here i'm never shcoked when it happens and usually it never works. Its kinda a running argument I get in, but not worth pulling hair out.

And sorry It is a little bit sus to open immediately first post with a Dizzy death means X Y Z lets ax these players. Since that's just as likely something mafia would do as killing someone who suspects them. So say mafia isn't on the radar yet, why wouldn"t they kill someone who was strongly calling out the wrong people?

Just not a fan of how quickly you jumped to that and provided 3 names. vs just like one.

[Lime Coke]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

I did.

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@Dolby

Well, since you're here, why did you specifically vote Seanzie?

kinda felt that the way that he went about the claims super early and was a bit insistent to it wasn't the best and didn't understand his susses.

also ngl I don't want to be lumped in with that cfd bc 1. I voted a full 60 minutes before the CFDers smh and 2. none of them but Nanook made their vote known in any visible way. I still don't know how was the other 1-2 people on Seanzie pre-CFD

like yeah I voted there near EoD and I get it lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Good luck, town.

[Guillotine]

Whoever are town on Seanzie’s wagon who CFD him, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Dolby]

If we're going down the "yeet Sabie bc she was saved by scum" argument I think it makes way more sense to vote off the people who actually saved her first

Also I think Sabie having been targetted by a vig last night makes way more sense than most other people being vig targetted

[sig]

but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names

could you elaborate on why you think this is indicative of someone being a wolf

or indicative of not being town

Jack kinda already made the point. LP seemed to very pre-emptively set up a few people and already rolled back one (Jack). So I"m not saying we should vote LP out over it. But, it should raise eyebrows how quickly they are to try and pivot and take advantage of the kill by throwing out multiple names.

Also just generally there's literally no reason to suspect me just alot of hype from Gullio over a literal joke with someone who went on to suspect me. Never built a case or gave any reasoning.

[LinearPoint]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

See honestly I was sort of expecting the Mafia to hard push for NAA lynch today because he never talked and started a random CFD which is just an easy target.
Granted, you're right NAA can't be trusted to carry a Town late game, but I don't like the hyperfixation on an easy target to mislynch.
Sure he may be Mafia, but NAA always does this shit as Town too, it's not really AI at this point in time I feel. If anything Guillotine is right he's more a decent vig target.

[Guillotine]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

No, but now we will sheep their reads like a bible.

Sabie and Sig are the chops back to back. NAA is night vigged

[LinearPoint]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

I did.

As a reminder you Town read like 70% of the game.

[Guillotine]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

See honestly I was sort of expecting the Mafia to hard push for NAA lynch today because he never talked and started a random CFD which is just an easy target.
Granted, you're right NAA can't be trusted to carry a Town late game, but I don't like the hyperfixation on an easy target to mislynch.
Sure he may be Mafia, but NAA always does this shit as Town too, it's not really AI at this point in time I feel. If anything Guillotine is right he's more a decent vig target.

If NAA is town he threw! Either way he dies.

[LinearPoint]

Just don't think NAA is ever worth a lynch. He just acts like a Jester always.

[MartinGG99]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.

I might've been one of the select few to have voiced it at one point when they fussed at Gav.

I think read accuracy may have had less to do with Dizzy though as I could imagine the impression of witnessing a strong experienced player (who did like 100x more than Mac) while also potentially being a good doc dodge target.

I don't think its a good idea to nail down a single possibility as the "likeliest" possibility though as in my personal experience NKA is increasingly unreliable the larger a mafia team is. Or, at least, I don't remember NKA working very well for me.

[Lime Coke]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

See honestly I was sort of expecting the Mafia to hard push for NAA lynch today because he never talked and started a random CFD which is just an easy target.
Granted, you're right NAA can't be trusted to carry a Town late game, but I don't like the hyperfixation on an easy target to mislynch.
Sure he may be Mafia, but NAA always does this shit as Town too, it's not really AI at this point in time I feel. If anything Guillotine is right he's more a decent vig target.

I'm pointing more towards the fact that he practically 0 posted until EOD, which is what he did in his last scum game, which is why I think he's flat out mafia.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca

When you get on let me know your full thought process on Gavial.

I feel I've outlined my feelings on Gav's slot pretty clearly. Do you have a specific question in mind?


I'd put Gav at 72% scum

[Lime Coke]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

I did.

As a reminder you Town read like 70% of the game.

I'm highly confident in my townreads and because of that I build a towncore and kill everyone else.

[falcon45ca]

Who all jumped on that Sean wagon?

[falcon45ca]

Who all jumped on that Sean wagon?

[MartinGG99]

If NAA is town he threw! Either way he dies.

No one expects the Guilo inquisition!

Though I do agree from a completely and absolutely unbiased perspective he would be a nice vig target.