GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

I'm tempted to believe hollowkatt tbh, but that's like such something wolf would do to save their necks without risking being caught fakeclaiming.

[sabie12]

Was the Scotty shot ever claimed btw?

KZA - Sean
Marmot - dya
Scotty - unknown
BoKnows - c4
Alison - Alexa
Dyslexicon - ilario
Nutella - Sig

dya and ilario hit Mafia.
c4 and sig's shots were kind of random that hit Town.
And Alexa's shot was a PoE on a fake red check that hit Town.

The BoKnows shot was like one of the most consensual/safest/noncommited shots which makes me think c4 could be wolf that decided to use their shot on some POE town.

It was also soon after Bo announced their vote for dizzy.

[alexa]

HK is probably not a wolf

[alexa]

Going back to my actual guts

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

sell me

Read the first part of his iso and scan for the energy in it. If you have the time. Also his answer to me about me having a funeral for my emotion reading or whatever, that's maybe personal to me but it hit really weird.

@ilario what's pinged you on JPIC?

this interaction feels not W/W to me

[alexa]

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

I think this list is a good look for Creature, because I doubt Dizzy puts his townread partner in his list of 8. He may put POE people there but someone who is getting widely townread feels way less likely based on how I've seen him wolf

[112]

Could Mac be deep wolving?

It's highly possible he's wolfing, although I'm not sure I'd call him deep.

[falcon45ca]

I'm failing to pinpoint even one wolf

towny

This shade is annoying me

I will always find "hope we lynch a wolf, gosh this game is sooooo hard, I can't find wolves!" type of posts scummy

[hollowkatt]

if I had a gun I'd shoot mac but I can't bring myself to vote for him

[Creature]

When is the first half of the day over?

[Creature]

When is the first half of the day over?

Is it what's listed in the POE or the date listed in the POE is actually the second half's end?

[sabie12]

Going back to my actual guts

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

sell me

Read the first part of his iso and scan for the energy in it. If you have the time. Also his answer to me about me having a funeral for my emotion reading or whatever, that's maybe personal to me but it hit really weird.

@ilario what's pinged you on JPIC?

this interaction feels not W/W to me

Jpic then did end up sheeping and voting ender saying he trusted dizzy

[sabie12]

When is the first half of the day over?

It's like 6 am which is super inconvenient

[sabie12]

Well for this time zone anyway for others it's probably better

[LinearPoint]

Day end should be 16 hours.

[LinearPoint]

Not day end, first round end.

[hollowkatt]

yeah my last posts are going to be between 6-12 hours before "EOD"

[LinearPoint]

At the very least we probably should tie 4 people for 7th and 8th highest slot.

[LinearPoint]

Not sure why phone decided to delete the n't part of shouldn't.

[112]

how many ppl does one get to vote for?
5?

[hollowkatt]

how many ppl does one get to vote for?
5?

8

[112]

@Master Radishes - falcon asked you about me (i feel like just to make chatter rather than actually caring), but what is your assessment of falcon?

personally i see him as flying a bit under the radar for, like, the whole game now. i feel like if he were town he would have stepped it up for at least 30 minutes here-or-there but he's been a pretty consistent slank engine. i think with so little pressure on him he's just content to continue with what has gotten him this far but idk.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly Neeko's seen some good points on MR today, so Neeko's null read has shifted to a slight town read.

[hollowkatt]

Honestly Neeko's seen some good points on MR today, so Neeko's null read has shifted to a slight town read.

good points "on" MR or good points "from" MR? I think there's an important difference.

[LinearPoint]

Actually Neeko might resend their Paopan town read for claiming.
Neeko distinctly remembers the exact defense Paopan used as Mafia in Fortune of Lies was to claim and act confirmed for claiming.
Neeko might need to also check Paopan's last Mafia game, but Paopan being quick to claim when pressured is a Mafia!Paopan thing to do.

[Creature]

112
alexa - Mech and shot town with event vig
Belzy - Mech
c4e5g3d5 - Shot town with event vig
Creature
DrWilgy
dyachei - Shot wolf
falcon45ca
Guillotine - Mech? Meh
hollowkatt - Mech
ilario - Shot wolf
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Paopan - Mech
Phil and Gloria
Porscha - Mech
sabie12
sig - Shot town
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

[Creature]

112
alexa - Mech and shot town with event vig
Belzy - Mech
c4e5g3d5 - Shot town with event vig
Creature
DrWilgy
dyachei - Shot wolf
falcon45ca
Guillotine - Mech? Meh
hollowkatt - Mech
ilario - Shot wolf
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Paopan - Mech
Phil and Gloria
Porscha - Mech
sabie12
sig - Shot town
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

If we assume all mech is legit:

112
c4e5g3d5
Creature
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

[Creature]

I think from that list I'd only remove LinearPoint and myself:

112
c4e5g3d5
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
Master Radishes
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

[Creature]

I think from that list I'd only remove LinearPoint and myself:

112
c4e5g3d5
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
Master Radishes
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

Now only need to remove two more names to make 8 votes

[alexa]

If a wolf won an event vig, would they really have to make the shot publicly? I feel like that's not exactly beneficial to wolves. IMO C4 receiving the public shot and the same form as me is a good point for him being town.

[LinearPoint]

Maybe Neeko misread something thinking it was an MR post. She remembers seeing something that looked very townie, but isn't finding it now that's she's looking for it again.

[Creature]

If a wolf won an event vig, would they really have to make the shot publicly? I feel like that's not exactly beneficial to wolves. IMO C4 receiving the public shot and the same form as me is a good point for him being town.

Considering the event is public, pretty much the shot should be public otherwise it'll be outing for the wolf who won the event.

[Creature]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

[alexa]

If a wolf won an event vig, would they really have to make the shot publicly? I feel like that's not exactly beneficial to wolves. IMO C4 receiving the public shot and the same form as me is a good point for him being town.

Considering the event is public, pretty much the shot should be public otherwise it'll be outing for the wolf who won the event.

oh right in c4's case, he won it publicly didn't he

[Creature]

If a wolf won an event vig, would they really have to make the shot publicly? I feel like that's not exactly beneficial to wolves. IMO C4 receiving the public shot and the same form as me is a good point for him being town.

Considering the event is public, pretty much the shot should be public otherwise it'll be outing for the wolf who won the event.

oh right in c4's case, he won it publicly didn't he

Yep. For being the first poster.

[falcon45ca]

@Master Radishes - falcon asked you about me (i feel like just to make chatter rather than actually caring), but what is your assessment of falcon?

personally i see him as flying a bit under the radar for, like, the whole game now. i feel like if he were town he would have stepped it up for at least 30 minutes here-or-there but he's been a pretty consistent slank engine. i think with so little pressure on him he's just content to continue with what has gotten him this far but idk.

Talk to me more about my slanking. Do you feel I'm reticent to engage players?

[alexa]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

[Creature]

c4 receiving a public vig shot is pretty much NAI. What he did with that public vig shot is AI though.

[alexa]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

(if a wolf wins a public vig shot it's obviously the best thing to do)

but that doesn't make it hugely rewarding

[Creature]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

Not really. Some POEish shots can be on players that could clear themselves later in the game. It's better POEish (and potentially clearable) town to be shot than wolf.

[LinearPoint]

Pretty sure alexa won it through the rock, paper, scissors tourney.

I WON A DAY VIG TOO it's day 1 only

[LinearPoint]

Although the dayvigs won probably could have just not shot day 1.

[alexa]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

Not really. Some POEish shots can be on players that could clear themselves later in the game. It's better POEish (and potentially clearable) town to be shot than wolf.

i guess, but i still don't think having a public vig is a huge prize for most wolves the same way it is for town

[Creature]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

(if a wolf wins a public vig shot it's obviously the best thing to do)

but that doesn't make it hugely rewarding

I don't think it is even supposed to be rewarding. Wolves having control of the KP will help them anyway even if they risk being lynched if they don't obey the town leash. It also prevents a potential hero shot on wolf.

[Creature]

Pretty sure alexa won it through the rock, paper, scissors tourney.

I WON A DAY VIG TOO it's day 1 only

Yeh, but alexa has other mech

[Master Radishes]

@Master Radishes - falcon asked you about me (i feel like just to make chatter rather than actually caring), but what is your assessment of falcon?

personally i see him as flying a bit under the radar for, like, the whole game now. i feel like if he were town he would have stepped it up for at least 30 minutes here-or-there but he's been a pretty consistent slank engine. i think with so little pressure on him he's just content to continue with what has gotten him this far but idk.

I don't know what to make of him and if I try to explain my various trains of thought this post will end up very rambly.

My best reason for scumreading him is how confident he is in me being town + not really fitting his usual town meta.

My best reason for townreading him is how confident he is in me being town + not really fitting his usual scum meta.

Does that help?

[Creature]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

Not really. Some POEish shots can be on players that could clear themselves later in the game. It's better POEish (and potentially clearable) town to be shot than wolf.

i guess, but i still don't think having a public vig is a huge prize for most wolves the same way it is for town

Still don't think NANOOK would've given something different for wolves winning the event

[Master Radishes]

Can we just make sure we're being discerning with our 'mech' removals? I don't remember each one (though I remember seeing things in catchups and such) but some were pretty vague/weak.

[Creature]

Bit worried about TSP having 369 posts but being low impact

[Master Radishes]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

Not really. Some POEish shots can be on players that could clear themselves later in the game. It's better POEish (and potentially clearable) town to be shot than wolf.

i guess, but i still don't think having a public vig is a huge prize for most wolves the same way it is for town

Still don't think NANOOK would've given something different for wolves winning the event

Eh. Didn't he warn us it'd be an experimental/swingy game? Or am I making that up? But I could see all these shots basically being the reason for that warning.

[alexa]

Also the public shot can still be useful for wolf considering they have control of the shot and can decide to shoot POEish town as opposed to wolf

shooting POEish is not usually super beneficial to wolves because it loses a mischop

Not really. Some POEish shots can be on players that could clear themselves later in the game. It's better POEish (and potentially clearable) town to be shot than wolf.

i guess, but i still don't think having a public vig is a huge prize for most wolves the same way it is for town

Still don't think NANOOK would've given something different for wolves winning the event

maybe not

i have not fully understood the momentum moving against c4, however. the best reason i see is.. engagement drop?