GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[ilario]

If creature is a wolf we might need to reassess dya as well

I don’t think w!creature would randomly shit on dyas wolf game if they’re town, like why randomly piss off someone for no reason? And the way creature talks about dya in his iso could be potential tmi

[ilario]

All scum are lurking is my guess and have not had takes on this nonsense

lowkey this makes me think my theory of wolves having high wim-ers is correct

[ilario]

And I’m pretty sure dya had me as a tr in a list they made earlier in the game and town dya almost never trs me when I’m town

[ilario]

And I’m pretty sure dya had me as a tr in a list they made earlier in the game and town dya almost never trs me when I’m town

But this is something to worry about for another day

[ilario]

Sort by postcount:

alexa - 379
Phil anGloria - 370
Creature - d 349
TonyStarkPrime - 306
nutella - 304
Belzy - 218
Dyslexicon - 218
LinearPoint - 210
Master Radishes - 182
c4e5g3d5 - 177
EnderWiggin - 161
NotAnAxehole - 152
Seanzie - 148
ilario - 145
Alison - 144
112 - 139
Guillotine - 131
Justplayingitcool - 108
dyachei - 107
Sloonei - 106
hollowkatt - 103
DrWilgy - 95
falcon45ca - 95
Paopan - 62
Porscha - 55
Urist - 53
sabie12 - 39
Scotty - 33
KZA - 26
BoKnows - 14

reverse sbpc

[ilario]

Urist is such a weird kill

Only LP would look bad at it. On the other hand, it might actually be LP who killed Urist.

Don't wanna WIFOM lets just move on.
Soo let's move to yours. Since you brought this up? Why? What's your agenda

idk

I doubt Urist is a town kill and as a wolf kill I find it weird because they only posted 53 times and wolves decided to kill them over the most active players. So, unless wolves rolecopped Urist, I'm wondering if all active players are actively wolfsiding and hence why wolves decided to kill someone as low as Urist.

wolfy world salad/overfocus on a nk to drive a narrative

urist was killed over top posters because the top posters were wolves like u

[ilario]

Incase of doubt I'd rather kill the lowposting/hard-to-read slots

this contradicts his earlier notion of wanting to kill wolfy slots and that alota the lhf slots being town

and supports the worldview that tsp was trying to build in hunting the lurky people which have proven/flipped to be >>>rand town this game

[ilario]

Radishes, JPIC, TSP participating of this bullshit all look wolfy

TSP looks wolfy now

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Creature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.

TSP was one of the players constantly sheeping me yesterday on bad CFDs

We could just put the people on the Sean wagon and cut that playerbase in half.
Seemed pretty Mafia driven with likely 2-3 on it.

But then we hit like 60% town easy. Bad take.

Wrong.
Sean wagon: Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
Urist and NAA already dead.
Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella. At least 2 of these are Mafia. Probably 3.

Two of them just died so that leaves Paopan, Belzy, TSP, Wilgy and nutella

Bit worried about TSP having 369 posts but being low impact

I think TSP has wolf equity and most of their posts felt like pocket attempts

hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

[ilario]

Radishes, JPIC, TSP participating of this bullshit all look wolfy

TSP looks wolfy now

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Creature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.

TSP was one of the players constantly sheeping me yesterday on bad CFDs

We could just put the people on the Sean wagon and cut that playerbase in half.
Seemed pretty Mafia driven with likely 2-3 on it.

But then we hit like 60% town easy. Bad take.

Wrong.
Sean wagon: Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
Urist and NAA already dead.
Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella. At least 2 of these are Mafia. Probably 3.

Two of them just died so that leaves Paopan, Belzy, TSP, Wilgy and nutella

Bit worried about TSP having 369 posts but being low impact

I think TSP has wolf equity and most of their posts felt like pocket attempts

hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

This is probably the final nail in the coffin and sure I could read the rest of his iso but there’s no convincing me anymore he’s not a wolf

He spends a great deal talking about tsp being a wolf compared to guillo who he doesn’t mention or interact with once in his entire iso until just barely before eod d2. Nevertheless creature has built up a narrative that tsp is a wolf since d1 and yet his vote ends up on guillo not tsp. 1 vote was the difference between his sr for days (tsp) surviving over guillo

[ilario]

/vote creature

/vote mac

Gn

[Phil and Gloria]

DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4


DrWilgy's wagon on D1 might've ended up as pure town.

i mustve missed this part but since dr wilgy is the only town wagon from d1 alive, is he not in the PoE?

[falcon45ca]

Radishes, JPIC, TSP participating of this bullshit all look wolfy

TSP looks wolfy now

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Creature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.

TSP was one of the players constantly sheeping me yesterday on bad CFDs

We could just put the people on the Sean wagon and cut that playerbase in half.
Seemed pretty Mafia driven with likely 2-3 on it.

But then we hit like 60% town easy. Bad take.

Wrong.
Sean wagon: Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
Urist and NAA already dead.
Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella. At least 2 of these are Mafia. Probably 3.

Two of them just died so that leaves Paopan, Belzy, TSP, Wilgy and nutella

Bit worried about TSP having 369 posts but being low impact

I think TSP has wolf equity and most of their posts felt like pocket attempts

hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

This is probably the final nail in the coffin and sure I could read the rest of his iso but there’s no convincing me anymore he’s not a wolf

He spends a great deal talking about tsp being a wolf compared to guillo who he doesn’t mention or interact with once in his entire iso until just barely before eod d2. Nevertheless creature has built up a narrative that tsp is a wolf since d1 and yet his vote ends up on guillo not tsp. 1 vote was the difference between his sr for days (tsp) surviving over guillo

I like this

[falcon45ca]

I'm failing to pinpoint even one wolf

towny

This shade is annoying me

I will always find "hope we lynch a wolf, gosh this game is sooooo hard, I can't find wolves!" type of posts scummy

i will never understand how ur mind works lol

ilario on board w/ my Creature sus.

[falcon45ca]

TSP



Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE




If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear

[Creature]

This is pathetic

[Creature]

If I had the energy I could also go through someone's ISO and slap wolf mastermind motivation behind each post.

[falcon45ca]

If I had the energy I could also go through someone's ISO and slap wolf mastermind motivation behind each post.

We're not talking about wolf mastermind motivation, we're talking about pushing a slot as scum




And then not voting them when you have the opportunity

[Creature]

If the POE is correct, 4 of these 7 names are mafia:

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

If your name is on the list, cross yourself off. Add me to it if you like. If your name is not on the list, you probably want to add me to it, so you're looking for 4 out of 8 rather than 4 out of 7. Sorry.

To the three civilians on this list, it's on you (and me) to prove to everybody else that you are town. Do so without claiming, please and thanks. A great weapon for proving your towniness is to simply hunt for the remaining bad guys. This game is not nearly as dire as it might have seemed ~24 hours ago. Let's all secure our 2022 wins here so we can all meet back for next year's GoC.

Paopan last minute EoD 2 to push towards tsp and insisting guillo was town could have been tmi push. Mac-yo last minute saved jpic from being on the chopping block and based on some of the responses to suspicion seem like scum mac. Wilgy has been saved from being chopped twice. First EoD creature unvoted which helped lead to seanzie being chopped. Wilgy has seemed more towny as the game goes on though so im torn there. LP claim to save alexa? I have to look more into sloonei. I remember the push on c4 but now he ended up flipping town. I still don't think creature is 100 percent free from suspicion as I could see him partnered with tsp or jpic who keeps saying he is the towniest person in the game and I think he is convincing as mafia. For now if I had to make a quick guess I'd say paopan jpic mac-yo wilgy but I'll have to look more into isos as well. I also need to sleep this game has been hurting my brain trying to figure it out.

Please holster tonight

I think mafia are gonna soup tonight just a hunch but I think so, and if u shoot another town we might just straight up lose in one night. I think you shooting tonight can be a game losing move

Okay yeah I see what you're saying here. Yeah I chose targets that were within the POE and it sucks I ended up being wrong. I don't want to be wrong again. I was going to say have falcon check me if there's any doubt but depends if we even live past tonight. You think creature is keeping me alive to lull me into a false sense of security and then soup me?

I think you should use your shot tonight because atp any town KP is important. Especially when the soup kill can easily bring us to LyLo/MyLo or even endgame.

[Creature]

Maybe you just don't need to go rogue.

[Creature]

If I had the energy I could also go through someone's ISO and slap wolf mastermind motivation behind each post.

We're not talking about wolf mastermind motivation, we're talking about pushing a slot as scum




And then not voting them when you have the opportunity

I remember being dissuaded from voting TSP. Also it was mostly dyachei and Sloonei convincing me to vote Guillotine EOD2.

TSP didn't feel reachable at the moment as town kept talking about 112, DrWilgy and Guillotine.

[Master Radishes]

I think it's worthwhile to give Creature more scrutiny, and I did find his EoD1 pretty bad (sitting to the side and commenting but not showing any real engagement, if I'm being uncharitable).

But people who've played with Creature say that fits his town meta too. I only have one game with Creature (I think) and it was 2+ years ago (Inception) and we never interacted (we weren't even in the same thread most of the game). I don't believe meta is the be-all and end-all but equally I *can* see how the things I found scummy/that ilario is raising are largely personality-based and therefore NAI.

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

[Master Radishes]

TSP



Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE




If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear

Dya? I think we're another green flip away before we bring Dya back into the PoE.

I think we look at Wilgy, Mac, Sabie, and Sloonei in the same breath as Creature and JPIC.

[Master Radishes]

DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4


DrWilgy's wagon on D1 might've ended up as pure town.

i mustve missed this part but since dr wilgy is the only town wagon from d1 alive, is he not in the PoE?

Wilgy is in the PoE, yes. No one is really talking about him today, possibly due to his lack of presence + lots of conversation in D2, but he's there.

[Creature]

112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

are all tied at 8 and wolves will get to choose two of them to be lynched

Vote for Guillo.

creature, i think guillo is full of it. he keeps acting like he didnt have a huge paranoia thing about 3ps to me. He keeps using that as justification for his actions

it's up to you but i think he's a wolf

What convinced me to vote Guillotine

[Creature]

I confess I'm really wasted out from all these days but I think I can have the energy to defend myself here just like I did when Alison brought all those fluffposts, TRYiNg tO DeRP clEaR and flamefanning which were pretty NAI.

[falcon45ca]

TSP



Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE




If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear

Dya? I think we're another green flip away before we bring Dya back into the PoE.

I think we look at Wilgy, Mac, Sabie, and Sloonei in the same breath as Creature and JPIC.

Fair enough on Dya.




I'm town leaning Mac rn, and I want Creature's flip before Sloons.


JPIC, Wilgy, Creature, Sabie

[Creature]

I think I would have just rolled over and died if I was wolf and Alison started pushing me. It already happened when ladd caught me.

[falcon45ca]

112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

are all tied at 8 and wolves will get to choose two of them to be lynched

Vote for Guillo.

creature, i think guillo is full of it. he keeps acting like he didnt have a huge paranoia thing about 3ps to me. He keeps using that as justification for his actions

it's up to you but i think he's a wolf

What convinced me to vote Guillotine

And now you're sus of Sloon, but TR Dya still?

[Creature]

Guess sabie shooting town can indeed put wolves to parity if they use soup kill. I still think it's suboptimal to holster the shot.

[Creature]

112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

are all tied at 8 and wolves will get to choose two of them to be lynched

Vote for Guillo.

creature, i think guillo is full of it. he keeps acting like he didnt have a huge paranoia thing about 3ps to me. He keeps using that as justification for his actions

it's up to you but i think he's a wolf

What convinced me to vote Guillotine

And now you're sus of Sloon, but TR Dya still?

That makes sense because dya still has the Marmot pelt while Sloonei has none.

[Creature]

TSP



Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE




If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear

Dya? I think we're another green flip away before we bring Dya back into the PoE.

I think we look at Wilgy, Mac, Sabie, and Sloonei in the same breath as Creature and JPIC.

Roughly that.

[Creature]

Guess sabie shooting town can indeed put wolves to parity if they use soup kill. I still think it's suboptimal to holster the shot.

Maybe I should be worried if sabie is wolf but I still don't see her as wolf here.

[Master Radishes]

My current conundrum is that, if I'm living in a world where our mech is correct, we're down to 7 names that contain 4 wolves, and whilst I can accept Wilgy, Sabie, Mac, and Paopan (those 4 + TSP were my inner POE coming into today), even one incorrect would lead me to have to find a wolf in Sloonei, Creature, JPIC and I want to townread all of them. And if we've let a scummy escape the mech net, then the game gets harder yet again.

[Master Radishes]

That's a problem for future MR though.

[Creature]

I think it's worthwhile to give Creature more scrutiny, and I did find his EoD1 pretty bad (sitting to the side and commenting but not showing any real engagement, if I'm being uncharitable).

ftr I started pushing a bunch of wagons to save NotAnAxehole like Porscha, DrWilgy and Seanzie. In all of them I was suddenly sheeped by a bunch of players. As soon they became big, I believed all of them to be bad and that's why I got increasingly suspicious of players who sheeped me like you, JPIC and TSP.

[Creature]

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.

[Creature]

I would have probably voted Creature here if I wasn't Creature, just like I did with Guillotine because Sloonei and dyachei were showing confidence.

[Creature]

My current conundrum is that, if I'm living in a world where our mech is correct, we're down to 7 names that contain 4 wolves, and whilst I can accept Wilgy, Sabie, Mac, and Paopan (those 4 + TSP were my inner POE coming into today), even one incorrect would lead me to have to find a wolf in Sloonei, Creature, JPIC and I want to townread all of them. And if we've let a scummy escape the mech net, then the game gets harder yet again.

Oh right, meant to quote this post

[Master Radishes]

Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.

[Creature]

Kinda weirded about DrWilgy because every time they've been brought near to lynch they would make some legacy post or something and we'd then let them live. I'm not even sure they're wolf but it's like that name I see floating around in VCs and POE lists that I question "why isn't he dead yet?"

[Creature]

Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.

I think LinearPoint somewhat cleared themselves. Likely will die to soup kill.

[Creature]

Still hoping soup kill is used soon, because we really need to massclaim and that can only be done after the soup kill is used.

[Master Radishes]

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.

I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.

[Master Radishes]

Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.

I think LinearPoint somewhat cleared themselves. Likely will die to soup kill.

He gave a BPV to alexa, right? Did he claim more to his role?

[Creature]

DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4


DrWilgy's wagon on D1 might've ended up as pure town.

Yep I wished we could resolve DrWilgy in some way. I can't rely on him only doing something whenever he's wagoned.

[Creature]

Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.

I think LinearPoint somewhat cleared themselves. Likely will die to soup kill.

He gave a BPV to alexa, right? Did he claim more to his role?

I think he only claimed the BPV. Would rather not talk much about his claim because of soup but I think that somewhat clears him.

[Master Radishes]

Wilgy would probably be the best Vig shot right now, if anyone is holding on to one.

[Creature]

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.

I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.

"But we're in a good position mech-wise"

Nope. We aren't. If my count is correct, wolves can get up to five soup kills tonight and that'd bring us to 6 v 4 not counting sabie's vig shot.

[Master Radishes]

Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.

I think LinearPoint somewhat cleared themselves. Likely will die to soup kill.

He gave a BPV to alexa, right? Did he claim more to his role?

I think he only claimed the BPV. Would rather not talk much about his claim because of soup but I think that somewhat clears him.

Yeah, just wanted to check, not start a convo.

Of all the mech, it's probably the weakest in terms of 'clearing' imo. Somewhere in the dya/ilario range (for their vig choices).

[Creature]

I understand I should be prodded. It's just that I haven't had much energy lately and I feel like this game is consuming too much time that I could use on studying to Monday's test.