GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[ilario]

Prolly just means lp is back to being town again

[ilario]

I’ll vote with the other town and vote pao in that case

[ilario]

People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

IDG why a non-malicious illario poisons me there. he was talking about sussing Mac/Creature yesterday, not me. if he's not malicious it's extremely WTF.

i found u scummy with mac too btw

[ilario]

People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

Well that makes Neeko a bit more confident. Was starting to worry she stopped a Vig from killing Alexa from what Ilario was saying.
Honestly ilario may just be misguided in their thought that Alexa claimed the Mafia shot her when shooting ilario since ilario's commute it not guaranteed that he was shot.

misguided? yeah
ill-intent?no

[Porscha]

feeling sad about alexa being gone since I think she was town

I've been really unsatisfied with pao most of game but since I tripped on my own feet with my read on him last game I don't know how to trust myself with the read lol. I really thought he was maf and I had told him "pao if you are town, you are the most mafia- town I have ever seen" and he flipped town so idk what to do with how he has played this entire game but when it comes down to it, I don't like his play. yes, it does feel they sometimes don't really even have a sense of what's going on when they post and I don't know how to trust anything they say when it feels that way.

JPIC still making me yawn. head empty no thoughts. not sure if they are intentionally trying to fly under the radar or not. making little posts here and there but I'm not seeing much conclusive thoughts about people in those posts

sloonei I think before today also said they had town mech to clear them unless I am misremembering the period of time they first mentioned it

wilgy I've been on the fence about all game but not top 2 for me right now I think

ilario made a case on creature that I felt was comprehensive but I'm not sure what agenda he may have for trying to push creature if his win-con isn't extremely pro-town like he describes

sabie, honestly, idk, I think their response to the no shot allegations seems fairly genuine still despite the alexa / belzy push. I think it's very possible both sides just misinterpreted what's going on and frankly sabie is responsible for her shots so if she got cold feet on pao for a legitimate reason then I get why she'd holster. she might also not have another shot and didn't want to reveal that info? not sure why she kept saying she didn't feel good about alexa / belzy being town until mac flipped, though. like she says it, but I don't know why. belzy and alexa have been more town read than a lot of the players this game and mac was getting pretty mafia read the entire day leading up to that vig shot, so I don't know why it took mac flipping maf for sabie to accept belzy and alexa as being fairly trustworthy. but idk how sabie thinks or plays - I feel like from a town perspective it's a bit weird to not trust them, but I do get that personally you have to live with making the call on the shot so idk.

I think pao should flip before ilario here probably - ilario's role name has been outed and frankly if he's 3p with win-con that doesn't align with mafia they might just soup him too, no? we are getting down to the wire here and if maf do end up holding soup kill for parity, there is a chance ilario just ends up in soup and losing too? I'm definitely on board with not needing to let a 3p live but if 3p is also in danger of dying to maf within the next 2 nights then unless ilario is legit maf he's at risk anyway without us needing to vote. maybe that's a stupid take idk i'm super tired but I think going on a strong maf pick is ideally better than the 3p if doable. I want to see too if it ends up seeming *too easy* to lynch pao but only time will tell I guess

[Justplayingitcool]

What the heck happened here while i was asleep

[Justplayingitcool]

How am i flying under the radar

[Belzy]

Reading early Day 3, I actually think Alexa has the worst looking opening and progression that phase. Which makes me feel less anxious about the poison thing.

Scummy post.

[Justplayingitcool]

Pao constantly making drive-by posts and dipping is annoying lol.

[sabie12]

Well alexa still hasn't flipped yet so we don't have that to go off of. I see that sloonei suggested he thinks she will flip mafia. If she did I'm not sure how I'd be seen as teammates with her but creature I guess I could see. I think the fact that alexa outed town roles when they were not being pushed didn't make sense as it sets people up for soup but she kept saying she was omitting things in the hopes it would save her from soup.

[sabie12]

2 more mooofias.

Creature
JPIC/Sabie/LP/Wigly/Falcon

Didn't you say you were "on falcon" last night? Does that mean protected him or? If so why do you put falcon in as potential mafia now? Are you saying it's definitely creature and then one of those other 5 names? We still don't know for sure that alexa is mafia unless you're referring to yourself since you're being voted.

[Paopan]

Maybe

[Justplayingitcool]

I think I have to agree with Sloonei's observation on Pao. It does feel easy and nobody is coming forward to his defense so far today

[Justplayingitcool]

having said that, maybe Pao is this GoC's version of Kaif

[Justplayingitcool]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
Dyslexicon ( 1 ): BoKnows
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

[Justplayingitcool]

hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

[Justplayingitcool]

just posting these for reference

[Creature]

I think I have to agree with Sloonei's observation on Pao. It does feel easy and nobody is coming forward to his defense so far today

I'm struggling to find any other name. If not Paopan, then there's DrWilgy, Sloonei (incase we doubt their confirmable claim), you, dyachei (if they decided to shoot Marmot D1 when low in numbers), illario (if they decided to claim 3p as wolf lol), sabie12.

[Justplayingitcool]

alexa - likely to just be town for raisins
Belzy - mech on porscha
dyachei - killed marmot. town stock dramatically rose with ilario 3p claim
falcon45ca - outted TSP and confirmed radishes. Is just town for the P&G crap at day 3.
LinearPoint - gave vest to alexa. Likely town if alexa town
Porscha - mech on belzy

My POE is probably just this:

Creature
DrWilgy
ilario
Paopan
sabie12
Sloonei

Sloonei/creature are probably the towniest people in my PoE.

Pao is just outrageously scummy and if he is town then he's not doing a great job of showcasing his townie self. Day 2 votes look decent and the fact nobody is defending him gives me some pause. A wolf!pao heavily implies that sabie is a wolf as well.

and then DrWilgy exists as a slot. An enigma.

If there is a mafia outside of my PoE then I think we lose as we will never get there. Pao and Sabie feel like the most likely hits in my poe outside of Ilario who is a claimed 3p (they're never endgaming).

[Creature]

I agree with your POE

[Justplayingitcool]

for wilgy/sabie/pao to work, the wolves have decided to heavily bus pao and cut their losses

[Justplayingitcool]

I was not in the btsc with sabie/belzy/alexa. Im not sure what to make of what was going on in there, but I think I have to side with belzy/alexa seeing as it is 2v1 and both are outside of my POE and they were very adamant of what was said, or not.

would a team of sloonei/pao/sabie work?

[Justplayingitcool]

Sloonei defended me and wilgy today (two slots in the PoE), albeit with less conviction wrt wilgy. One could argue that sloonei is defending wilgy because they are aligned, but if that were the case I think he would put up a much stronger defense that he provided. It was a very simple short reason. I have felt towny vibes from sloonei today, and a good point was made that P&G had an odd treatment of sloonei that perhaps implied they weren't partners.

One point in wilgy's favour is the votes from the flipped wolves on day 1 was pretty spread out. this feels it implies that seanzie was not a save on wilgy and scum did not care who died at day 1

[Justplayingitcool]

sig ( 13 ): alexa, Master Radishes, Paopan, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Justplayingitcool, Belzy, sabie12, hollowkatt, TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, LinearPoint, 112
hollowkatt ( 11 ): Phil and Gloria, Master Radishes, Belzy, Paopan, Sloonei, sabie12, 112, falcon45ca, dyachei, DrWilgy, alexa
DrWilgy ( 10 ): sabie12, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, Paopan, Phil and Gloria, LinearPoint, hollowkatt, Creature, alexa
Guillotine ( 10 ): ilario, Belzy, Sloonei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, dyachei, TonyStarkPrime, 112, LinearPoint, Phil and Gloria
112 ( 9 ): Sabie, dya, alexa, paopan, TSP, creature, falcon, guillo, wilgy
c4e5g3d5 ( 9 ): Falcon, sabie, paopan, linearpoint, dya, sloonei, belzy, TSP, wilgy
sabie12 ( 9 ): DrWilgy, dyachei, Paopan, Sloonei, c4e5g3d5, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, Phil and Gloria, 112
TonyStarkPrime ( 9 ): Master Radishes, alexa, Justplayingitcool, sabie12, DrWilgy, hollowkatt, Creature, LinearPoint, falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool ( 8 ): DrWilgy, dyachei, Sloonei, alexa, sabie12, ilario, Belzy, Paopan
Paopan ( 8 ): DrWilgy, Justplayingitcool, alexa, sabie12, hollowkatt, TonyStarkPrime, LinearPoint, Phil and Gloria
LinearPoint ( 7 ): Guillotine, Phil and Gloria, Sloonei, hollowkatt, Creature, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca
alexa ( 3 ): Phil and Gloria, guillo, TSP
falcon45ca ( 3 ): 112, Guillotine, Belzy
Phil and Gloria ( 3 ): 112, Belzy, hollowkatt
Master Radishes ( 2 ): Belzy, hollowkatt
Sloonei ( 2 ): hollowkatt, 112

midday vote count

[Creature]

Could the TSP wagon be pure here?

[Justplayingitcool]

Could the TSP wagon be pure here?

no because it had hollowkatt

[Creature]

Could the TSP wagon be pure here?

no because it had hollowkatt

I mean not containing any wolf

[Justplayingitcool]

It could be. Unfortunately Pao is unreadable and it is hard to parse his thoughts this game. The only time I remember him having some coherent thought was when he wanted to save guillo

[Paopan]

9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves

Anyway, I am a role that transcended down from the heavens and loyal to one person who I loved~
Oh lord, please provide for them and guide them.

Faith makes all evil good to us, and all good better; unbelief makes all good evil, and all evil worse.
Faith laughs at the shaking of the spear; unbelief trembles at the shaking of a leaf.

[DrWilgy]

My bad on alexa, sorry about that.

TMI on Alexa's slot?

[Justplayingitcool]

9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves

Anyway, I am a role that transcended down from the heavens and loyal to one person who I loved~
Oh lord, please provide for them and guide them.

Faith makes all evil good to us, and all good better; unbelief makes all good evil, and all evil worse.
Faith laughs at the shaking of the spear; unbelief trembles at the shaking of a leaf.

?????

[Justplayingitcool]

If you end up flipping town i swear to god...

[Justplayingitcool]

Maybe I'll just take it as a wolf claim and call it a day

[Paopan]

If you end up flipping town i swear to god...

I mean... the signs were there. If you are town and voted me. This is really on you.

[Justplayingitcool]

welcome to the JPIC talks to himself thread

putting my vote back on paopan

[Justplayingitcool]

If you end up flipping town i swear to god...

I mean... the signs were there. If you are town and voted me. This is really on you.

"9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves"

How am I meant to interpret this?

[sabie12]

If you end up flipping town i swear to god...

I mean... the signs were there. If you are town and voted me. This is really on you.

"9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves"

How am I meant to interpret this?

2 remaining wolve after who? Pao?

[Justplayingitcool]

If you end up flipping town i swear to god...

I mean... the signs were there. If you are town and voted me. This is really on you.

"9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves"

How am I meant to interpret this?

2 remaining wolve after who? Pao?

That was how I originally read it, yeah

[Paopan]

It's pretty obvious Alexa is a wolf. But very nice scumpaint

[Paopan]

Or IDK? just dense?
Oh meh

[Justplayingitcool]

It's pretty obvious Alexa is a wolf. But very nice scumpaint

How is it "obvious"

don't be shy

[Paopan]

7-8h before EoD

Creature
Voters: LinearPoint, Paopan, Porscha, Sloonei

Paopan
Voters: DrWilgy, falcon45ca, alexa, ilario, Justplayingitcool, Creature, sabie12, Belzy

[falcon45ca]

Is there anyone who strongly feels Pao is town? Anyone at all?

[Creature]

Is there anyone who strongly feels Pao is town? Anyone at all?

I don't feel strongly either way.

[Creature]

I'm tempted to either lynch illario who is a safe non-town lynch or Sloonei who I still suspect could be bullshitting about having a confirmable role.

[DrWilgy]

Post Alexa death Ilario pinged me.

Rn: Sabie OR Pao. Likely Pao. Not W/W but likely W in here.

If incorrect, I could also slap that Ilario button.

[falcon45ca]

Post Alexa death Ilario pinged me.

Rn: Sabie OR Pao. Likely Pao. Not W/W but likely W in here.

If incorrect, I could also slap that Ilario button.

Yeah, I saw that too. Def strange. Is there any indication that ilario was starting to TR alexa before they died w/ no flip?

[Creature]

tbh post alexa death it became pretty clear she was likely flipping town

[Creature]

POE shortage is still scaring the fuck out of me and I'm not even sure Paopan flips wolf here

[sabie12]

Is there anyone who strongly feels Pao is town? Anyone at all?

I don't feel strongly either way.

I don't know how to feel here. He posts like he doesn't read the thread and is just saying we should all know he is town. Weird that paopan is acting like alexa flipped mafia and ilario acted like alexa flipped town but we don't have confirmation of either.