Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Pretty sure my concern over hammers has waned in parallel to my passion for playing Mafia in general waning. I'd imagine that the proper "philosophy" would be to avoid hammers when there isn't an immediate need for them. I do think that time is valuable and that sometimes that value is understated.

[Hally]

i miss the MU voting system lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe this game could benefit from 15 minutes of going off-topic. Anyone want a music break? I'll give you a song if you give me a song.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Time is much more valuable in high mech games and in the middle/end game when people haven't been keeping up with associatives. Early game time is incredibly overrated

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The lakers just lost in embarrassing fashion, as predicted

[Hally]

im calling it a night

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The lakers just lost in embarrassing fashion, as predicted

Did LeBron score a bunch? I only care about catching Kareem at this point.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

im calling it a night

Later gator!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The lakers just lost in embarrassing fashion, as predicted

Did LeBron score a bunch? I only care about catching Kareem at this point.

20-something i think. He'll get there. He's already beaten him in overall points.

[c4e5g3d5]

Maybe this game could benefit from 15 minutes of going off-topic. Anyone want a music break? I'll give you a song if you give me a song.

[MacDougall]

I am now voting c4 for science

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe this game could benefit from 15 minutes of going off-topic. Anyone want a music break? I'll give you a song if you give me a song.

Spoiler: show

Cool song, thanks!

Spoiler: show

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be clear the new vote is to tease the hammerers. I’ll have to process the big Alison post that ninja’d in

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA put Alison back at 5 and moved back after I did. Just keeping things straight for uncalled votes.

[Alison]

PS: The post where Marmot gets annoyed at me saying I'd never vote Mac D1 and yells at me for it is likely out of his scum range. I bet if he was mafia there with town me on the ropes he'd just skate by. His annoyance is that of a townie's wanting to get it right/make sure I'm not being an ego player who drops dumb legacies/solves. Quote this in postgame if I am embarrassingly wrong.

My towncore is c4, Marmot and Hally. I'd be shocked if any of them are mafia. Wilgy and JJJ are a step below. Then NAA, then the scummy stew of four.

Treat this + my assertion that there is definitely at least one mafia in Dizzy/Radish as my most confident legacy if I get hammered for real overnight.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At the least I think Alison’s view of the game makes a measure of sense if I start from the premise that my POE pool is wrong. I could see her suspect pool as a viable other world. I think as of right now I have a considerably easier time viewing MR with suspicion than Dizzy. Probably easier than Mac too.

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA put Alison back at 5 and moved back after I did. Just keeping things straight for uncalled votes.

This is a lie

[NotAnAxehole]

Alison seems towny.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA put Alison back at 5 and moved back after I did. Just keeping things straight for uncalled votes.

This is a lie

[Master Radishes]

Alison read up and wrote a bunch of words on it and came out with almost exactly the same view, i.e. the same inner PoE with one minor addition.

If she's town she's reading this game kinda badly.

[Master Radishes]

Actually maybe that's too sassy. Her towncore is consensus enough. Not sure if that's a good look per se, seeing as that's what scum tend to default to, but maybe v!Alison is not reading the game super badly, just a bit badly, which is acceptable enough for D1 I guess.

[Dyslexicon]

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

Yes, it is. You were the one with a (counter) opinion.

[Dyslexicon]

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

The hyperbole and the drama of it all lol

[Dyslexicon]

someone unvote alison please

If you wish.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Alison is my preferred chop.

Actually, why is Alison your favourite chop peeeersonally. Idk if that's clear to me

[MacDougall]

shaddap

[Dyslexicon]

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

[Dyslexicon]

Yo I thought that was hammer too tho.

Would scum know that hammer was 6 or would scum be a ding ding like me and think it was 5?

I mean, it says clearly that it's 6. Everyone knows that it's 6. I don't see why anyone would think it's 5, including you tbh lol

[MacDougall]

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

Yes, it is. You were the one with a (counter) opinion.

nup

[Dyslexicon]

There was a time in my life when I would have cared more. I think we're far enough along in this Day 1 though that it's not a crazy notion. We've used 80% of the time allotted.

Your math is wrong.

[MacDougall]

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

so you disagree somewhat or agree partially?

[MacDougall]

There was a time in my life when I would have cared more. I think we're far enough along in this Day 1 though that it's not a crazy notion. We've used 80% of the time allotted.

Your math is wrong.

your face is wrong

[Dyslexicon]

idk why i bother

My point is, I never put Alison in serious danger of being killed. (though I have been wrong on this before)

Heheheheheh

[Dyslexicon]

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

so you disagree somewhat or agree partially?

I agree, but don't know if it's meaningful.

[Dyslexicon]

i don’t actually think jay being okay with a hammer means anything tbh

just because i don’t think w!him actually needs to be that brazen to get alison mislunched here if she’s v

I almost think it's slightly worse if Alison is w, especially the "I did what a town read of me asked me to"

[Dyslexicon]

I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

I'm also unenthused by Mac.

I also think Wilgy is town.

Problem is, your solve just seems weak and bad to me. I took issue with your reasons for scum reading MR, because they just seem like made up bs, as I said, prescribing tons meaning into a simple joke. You never addressed this, and I would like you to. Your tag-on that I'm scum for "not doing anything" is bad as well. I have certainly done a lot. I have 5 town reads (that might change lol) and I am straight up accusing you for specific reasons. Me "doing anything" is not even a reliable way to read me. However, I'm not one to get up in your face and "open wolf" or whatever you think I would be doing here as wolf. I don't know. Maybe you're omgusing a bit or whatever, but I find your read on both me and MR particularly weak at a level I don't expect from you as town. Even if you are town and MR is mafia, I find your MR read weak.

So that just makes it hard to believe that you have such confidence in this.

[Dyslexicon]

That said, Alison could be town. I think the towniest she's been is saying that the push on her is "unnatural" because she is playing a normal game. I could see her saying that from a town perspective, and it would be weirder to say as mafia. I don't know.

Her solve is pretty bad though. I don't understand why she's not just doing better if she's town. But maybe I'm too harsh, because honestly, we do have a lot of the same town reads so

[Dyslexicon]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

[Dyslexicon]

I guess I'd take any flip among Alison, Jimmay, NAA and Mac at this point.

Less interested in flipping Nook rn, but meh

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: FartyMacFartFace] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I for one don't want an early hammer, cause I'll be pretty busy today, and I like it better when I can read and comment if I get the chance than being robbed of that chance and just die

[Dyslexicon]

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

[Dyslexicon]

At the same time, MR is not a particularly strong read of mine either way

[MacDougall]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

[Dyslexicon]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

[Dyslexicon]

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

[Master Radishes]

Why would I want to do more things

[MacDougall]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so