Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[c4e5g3d5]

Imma take that as a loud and clear no

[Hally]

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry, by the way, for any bystanders to my screaming at Mac. I realize sometimes that can be trouble for a game's climate, and that's why I don't do it much anymore. This game felt like it could use a bit of rattling though, and Mac is an especially important slot to sort.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).

[Hally]

Imma take that as a loud and clear no

no to what?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MR is at L-2, just so we're aware.

[Dyslexicon]

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).

Which is true

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).

Which is true

It's generally true. It's a very easy thing to say when Jay starts yelling. Wow Jay is yelling, what?

It was more typical of me circa 2017ish

[c4e5g3d5]

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

[Dyslexicon]

I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired

[Dyslexicon]

I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired

But I could say this about myself as well lol

[Hally]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

[Dyslexicon]

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).

Which is true

It's generally true. It's a very easy thing to say when Jay starts yelling. Wow Jay is yelling, what?

It was more typical of me circa 2017ish

Sure. Imma vote Nook now

[MacDougall]

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I had to provide a GTH team guess it'd be MR/Nanook.

[Dyslexicon]

Nook/NAA would be underwhelming, but out of the question ig

[MacDougall]

But I guess if I was to give you a snap answer I would say it'd be Dyslexicon first and foremost and then I'd need to probably re-read some stuff.

[MacDougall]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

[DrWilgy]

I just want everyone to know that I just used the restroom.

It was quite exhilarating.

[Dyslexicon]

But I guess if I was to give you a snap answer I would say it'd be Dyslexicon first and foremost and then I'd need to probably re-read some stuff.

I think I’ve rarely been more obvious town in my entire mafia career. But maybe you’d have to be me to know that.

[MacDougall]

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

[Dyslexicon]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

Lolllllll

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

I think that's where you're going astray. I have zero trouble believing that the Alison chop was primarily driven by town. Marmot himself was there among the most vocal about it. In a 9 vs. 2 game with this roster, I don't think it's a "significant" thing that Alison was the Day 1 chop -- with no disrespect intended to her. Most people in this game don't get offed on Days 1. Someone had to.

[MacDougall]

mac, i think you could be v but you’re gonna have to screw your head back on

if you wolf reads you want to talk about that are not jay and me i will listen but your reads on us feel like poo

please don't patronise me

[Dyslexicon]

Anyway. This was fun, we should do it again some time. Good night

[MacDougall]

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

I think that's where you're going astray. I have zero trouble believing that the Alison chop was primarily driven by town. Marmot himself was there among the most vocal about it. In a 9 vs. 2 game with this roster, I don't think it's a "significant" thing that Alison was the Day 1 chop -- with no disrespect intended to her. Most people in this game don't get offed on Days 1. Someone had to.

Yeah but it's not just that in isolation it's that both her and I were considered choppable and in the POE. That's not 1 but 2 players who are strong town and in the case of Alison I believe she wasn't even wolfy. So to extend the read, why did she go over and not me when I was strictly more scummy than her and had pretty much the same POE? It requires someone/s to actually want her to die more than me and encourage that to occur. I don't feel like it's reasonable for any town on day 1 to want her dead more than me cuz I was way scummier than her.

[Hally]

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

ok well no offense but if you’re town you did not really make clear what your read on alison was and you did like nothing to change the gamestate or push anything else and were hardly here

at one point i think you even said she was town and then in the next post you said she pinged you the most of anyone

so like, sorry if you think i should have listened to you but honestly you didn’t do anything to prevent it and trying to be all like “i told you so” now is just lol

[MacDougall]

I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.

And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah but it's not just that in isolation it's that both her and I were considered choppable and in the POE. That's not 1 but 2 players who are strong town and in the case of Alison I believe she wasn't even wolfy. So to extend the read, why did she go over and not me when I was strictly more scummy than her and had pretty much the same POE? It requires someone/s to actually want her to die more than me and encourage that to occur. I don't feel like it's reasonable for any town on day 1 to want her dead more than me cuz I was way scummier than her.

I don't think you were scummier than Alison. I just think that's untrue. You're allowed to perceive it as so, but I definitely did not. I don't think most people did. In fact I think there's a decent chance that you were being protected by mafia by way of TMI reads.

[MacDougall]

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

ok well no offense but if you’re town you did not really make clear what your read on alison was and you did like nothing to change the gamestate or push anything else and were hardly here

at one point i think you even said she was town and then in the next post you said she pinged you the most of anyone

so like, sorry if you think i should have listened to you but honestly you didn’t do anything to prevent it and trying to be all like “i told you so” now is just lol

Okay sorry for existing.

[Hally]

also i made it clear multiple times i wanted to kill NAA over alison and didn’t really want to lunch her D1

even as she was literally rolling over and asking to die i asked her to vote NAA with me to try to make that happen instead and she refused and said she wanted to die, so i don’t know what i’m supposed to do with that

[Hally]

well i think mac is town now, so there’s that

[VOTE: nook] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I'm so sorry. I'm awful.

[Hally]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

why would the BP ever claim D1?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm so sorry. I'm awful.

Certainly not. You're a two-time site MVP, and everyone recognizes that.

Anyway, I agree with Hally that you're probably town. I am sorry if the last few pages were a really annoying way for me to get there. I don't want to make your game unfun.

[c4e5g3d5]

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.

The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A BP that never claims can theoretically be our ticket to an extra mischop if we're lucky. Obviously that's only if the game circumstances are very kind and it is never necessitated.

[MacDougall]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

why would the BP ever claim D1?

If he is the BP and I called him on it, he would find it pretty hard not to FPS claim it because nobody believes him anyway.

That said... if I was mafia and he was town I still shoot him on the off chance he was messing around with that claim. I guess unless I know for a fact he's lying because of matrix confirmation there is no BP.

[MacDougall]

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.

The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.

Such as?

[MacDougall]

Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?

[Hally]

I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.

And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.

the obvious answer to the bold is that we were wrong on NAA and he’s a villager, hence me opening today saying i’m treating him as town

the next obvious answer is they had a PR read on marmot and/or feared me/jay would be watched or doc’d

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

why would the BP ever claim D1?

Tbf this is something I'd do lol

[MacDougall]

I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.

And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.

the obvious answer to the bold is that we were wrong on NAA and he’s a villager, hence me opening today saying i’m treating him as town

the next obvious answer is they had a PR read on marmot and/or feared me/jay would be watched or doc’d

personally i consider the obvious answer to be that one or both of you are mafia and i'd tend to thinking it's jay over you because jay would kill marmot for other reasons namely marmot can actually read jay kind of okay, and also I think there is a chance Jay has been working specifically to pocket you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot's the reigning Syndicate best civilian. He can be the Night 1 victim just by virtue of being awesome.

[MacDougall]

suppose it can just be a dodge as you say

[MacDougall]

Marmot's the reigning Syndicate best civilian. He can be the Night 1 victim just by virtue of being awesome.

was he awesome and terrifying in this game though?

if you believe this then just sheep his legacy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot's the reigning Syndicate best civilian. He can be the Night 1 victim just by virtue of being awesome.

was he awesome and terrifying in this game though?

if you believe this then just sheep his legacy

Actually you're the reigning best civilian. Marmot was a finalist. Anyway, yes his legacy is important to me. I am giving more weight to both his and Alison's views than I often do for [insert random dead person].

[MacDougall]

Consolidating my legacy into a single post that is easy to refer to and quote.

Hally, c4 and Marmot are my towncore.
Jay and Wilgy below them.
NAA below that.
Dizzy, Nanook, Mac and Radishes are the immediate POE.

Very high chance there is at least one mafia between Radishes and Dizzy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Imagine putting weight on socky awards

[MacDougall]

I could flip a coin between Alison or NAA first, but I think Mac being third is fine.

Given that Alison has provided more transparent content than NAA, I think flipping her first would be more beneficial if we're wrong.

tbh i blame marmot