RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Marmot]

*the urist townread statement is past tense

[LinearPoint]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

This is literally just a reason to lynch Scotty.
Scotty is probably always Mafia regardless of Duyna's alignment. It's either a bus or just scum pushing Town.

[Urist]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

viewtopic.php?p=410194#p410194

thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

Urist: I think Dunya is town because I don't think she'd use ATE as scum.
Jack: She totally would.
Urist: Prove it!
Jack: Here is her using heavy ATE as a scum
Urist: Okay, I was just testing you. I will not change my townread on Dunya even though my reasoning for townreading Dunya was proven wrong

Totes not wolves together, folks.

i'm sorry if i represented the AtE thing as a major reason for thinking dunya is town. it never was.
the main reason is peoples' treatment of the wagon. especially marmot, who has been going back and forth a bunch between voting her for info, calling her mafia, trying to spearhead the wilgy yeet for her, then going back to calling her mafia.

[LinearPoint]

In all honestly Scotty should have always been the day 1 lynch.

[Urist]

yes we probably should have killed scotty or dunya d1, creature was a bad choice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Call me dense but I fail to see how Dunya being targetted with things N1 is alignment indicative in the least. She lead a wagon on a townie and had moderate suspicion leveled against her during the day. Townies will target her regardless of alignment and wolves probably wouldn't target her if she's town except maybe with a single thousand cuts in case she self clears.

So I don't see how knowing what she was targetted with does anything for her alignment. Or does anything after the fact if we flip her.

it doesn't, but if she flips w it means that everyone who targetted her looks very good. which i like

Yeah but Druid 2 just tells us what she was targetted with, not who targetted her.

[Marmot]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

This is literally just a reason to lynch Scotty.
Scotty is probably always Mafia regardless of Duyna's alignment. It's either a bus or just scum pushing Town.

Fair.

There are other reasons for eliming dunya aside from that which we've discussed til the french cows come home

[Urist]

ok leaving now

[Jackofhearts2005]

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

viewtopic.php?p=410194#p410194

thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

Urist: I think Dunya is town because I don't think she'd use ATE as scum.
Jack: She totally would.
Urist: Prove it!
Jack: Here is her using heavy ATE as a scum
Urist: Okay, I was just testing you. I will not change my townread on Dunya even though my reasoning for townreading Dunya was proven wrong

Totes not wolves together, folks.

i'm sorry if i represented the AtE thing as a major reason for thinking dunya is town. it never was.
the main reason is peoples' treatment of the wagon. especially marmot, who has been going back and forth a bunch between voting her for info, calling her mafia, trying to spearhead the wilgy yeet for her, then going back to calling her mafia.

That spearhead of Wilgy offer was early in the day before Marmot read the case being made against Dunya. Since then, he's been very consistently scumreading her and saying her flip teaches us stuff.

There's literally one switch moment and it's early in the day. This idea that Marmot is waffling all over Dunya is flat false.

This is the third flat false defense of Dunya you've put forth today.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I thought Urist was pretty bad and Scotty was so-so, back and forth a bit.

[TonyStarkPrime]

also I agree that it’s without thought of scotty’s alignment

[DrWilgy]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

Why notably me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Er Dunya’s alignment

[TonyStarkPrime]

People saying that is concerning though

[TonyStarkPrime]

FricK Wilgy showed up

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wilgy you were one vote away from hammer for like 3 min yesterday due to Dunya

[Marmot]

I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

Why notably me?

Cause....you're the player Dunya seems to be trying to misyeet. Her flipping wolf makes you almost surely town.

[LinearPoint]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

Stop helping lol.

[Le petit poussin]

Wilgy you were one vote away from hammer for like 3 min yesterday due to Dunya

lol this post. (is this even real???)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes

[Marmot]

I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

Stop helping lol.

Stop setting me up to take the fall if dunya flips town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tbf a lot of people were one vote away from hammer

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

Stop helping lol.

Stop setting me up to take the fall if dunya flips town

Nah that’ll be like LP or something idk

[Marmot]

Tied wagons are bad when the day is over, but less bad when the day isn't over.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

[TonyStarkPrime]

Concerning that I think Dunya doesn’t have any obvious partners on the LP wagon

[Dolby]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

yeah I don't really think that this is a strong argument?

Mafia are gonna decide on a wagon that they prefer and actively steer towards that, if anything, rather than aim to decide in a tie

Yeah close wagons leave more avenues open for spewing, but you can just not have close wagons instead

[LinearPoint]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Besides the one obv

[Marmot]

Concerning that I think Dunya doesn’t have any obvious partners on the LP wagon

I thought Scotty was one?

[Jackofhearts2005]

We're not gonna end with tied wagons, today, anyway. Somebody is gonna get hammered like 2-40 min from eod.

[Le petit poussin]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Last one was me. I just think dunya is town here (I am coming to LP too smh).
Will you vote TSP with me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

I possibly voted for you once during the madness as a part of madness

NAA is voting in favor of hammer

[Le petit poussin]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Last one was me. I just think dunya is town here (I am coming to LP too smh).
Will you vote TSP with me?

No not interested but I’d take scotty

[Jackofhearts2005]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

[Dolby]

We're not gonna end with tied wagons, today, anyway. Somebody is gonna get hammered like 2-40 min from eod.

I can't believe that you'd maj with a full 2 minutes left in day smh a majjed minute is a wasted minute

[Jackofhearts2005]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Last one was me. I just think dunya is town here (I am coming to LP too smh).
Will you vote TSP with me?

Please look at Scotty and Urist's progression on Dunya and tell me that those posts don't look absolutely filled with agenda.

[Marmot]

We still have like 6 hours. Tied wagons before the final hour doesn't mean very much.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Chicken if you think Dunya is town I can’t bebwagoned today

[Jackofhearts2005]

We're not gonna end with tied wagons, today, anyway. Somebody is gonna get hammered like 2-40 min from eod.

I can't believe that you'd maj with a full 2 minutes left in day smh a majjed minute is a wasted minute

[LinearPoint]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

And why do you think that?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[Marmot]

It is interesting how there is so much chatter around Scotty, but the man has 0 votes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

And why do you think that?

I've explained my Tony read but it can be summed up with "I've played with Tony a lot and I'm 100% certain that he's in his town meta."

Axe just looks like he's been in every town game I've ever played with him, an excited guy who is really confident in his reads, which are mostly pretty good.

Syn has no teammates but also, his massive string of mostly solo posts earlier in the phase when everybody else was sleeping almost always comes from a townie imo.

[Marmot]

Hammers don't happen on TS, but flashwagons do

[Le petit poussin]

Chicken if you think Dunya is town I can’t bebwagoned today

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