RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Scotty]

Something’s not sitting right with the votes right now.
Too many hands in each other’s cookie jars. Mafia is definitely voting another mafia member right now

This seems like a very convoluted way to say one of the only 2 wagons is Scum.
And really the dynamic doesn't look different from D2.

What I’m really saying is the thread is still chaos with these vote splits, and not everyone can seriously suspect everyone. Wolves are voting somewhere for one another.

Gonna iso Wilgy and urist. Wilgy’s iso is still all over the place knowing what we know now. I said I’d get to that so I’ll do that one first

[Dolby]

Because level 3 is bad

Wrong
Dya being Level 2 willingly is very suspicious.
Level 2 palading can only block actions while level 3 blocks kills.

Dya knew I was a level 3 Druid since I claimed that yesterday.
So why would Town!Dya block a Tracker and not try over trying to stop the Factional Kill or any of the Warrior attacks?
Level 2 is quite a suspicious thing to choose for Town and be targeting non Warriors.

because i didnt believe you and you are one of my wolf reads

That doesn't make any sense.
Why would anyone lie about having the ability to Track players?
That is so easy to figure out it's a lie.

Actually you two aren’t w/w now lmao. Idk I was kinda thinking you two could spin this to positive both of you. and you did claim the least accountable use in the game tbh but idc

[TonyStarkPrime]

it could be w/w except it's clearly not

[TonyStarkPrime]

which is good we're like 7 more w/w pairs away from clearing lp from being a wolf

[Dolby]

it could be w/w except it's clearly not

Yeah, I didn’t read to the point where LP began clearly leaning into making a thunderdome

[Dolby]

LP you do realize that you all but claimed warrior on D1 right?

[Dolby]

Eh

The action sequence from LP is townier now but I can’t townread her socially

[LinearPoint]

it could be w/w except it's clearly not

Yeah, I didn’t read to the point where LP began clearly leaning into making a thunderdome

I've done that a few times this game.
It's good for establishing reads. I mean I accurately sussed out Duyna was Town, so that's 1 point for it.

[Dolby]

LP isn’t lock wolf anymore

[TonyStarkPrime]

have you accurately sussed out that I'm town yet you've been quiet on this front

[TonyStarkPrime]

LP isn’t lock wolf anymore

can't believe the thing it took for you was them getting counterclaimed

[LinearPoint]

LP you do realize that you all but claimed warrior on D1 right?

Yeah, but I did say D2 I was actually a druid.
My main reason for hintingI was a warrior was to not draw attention to myself in the event that someone claimed Pal1 D1.
If someone claimed Pal1 D1 I would have stayed as Druid 1 and tracked them to see if they acted N1 and if they did called them out.
And if somoene did claim Pal1 D1 I did not want them thinking they may have been tracked and attacked me.

[Dolby]

LP isn’t lock wolf anymore

can't believe the thing it took for you was them getting counterclaimed

I mean, she did fake claim an action that I felt was fake and was fake so yeah

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah that's sorta where I'm at with it too

[LinearPoint]

I think there was some logic to Sig being tracked even if I didn't go through with it.
If it was successful I would have honestly just said I wont say who was tracked because the last thing I want is Mafia to know they were tracked doing the kill.

[Dolby]

LP you are being far townier than last night tbh

[DrWilgy]

wilgy you can be town iff you poison heal me (this plan not checked off by other people with power)

Free exp AND a town call from TSP? WoW!

[Dolby]

Me and TSP are on such opposite pages that it isn’t even finny

[Scotty]

Some things from Wilgy D1:

Spoiler: show

Scotty and HK are probably mafia though so that's fun.

Yes no.

I toneread Urist is town. The things he is saying look unforced, and I associate more with his town meta.

Also he hasn't even mentioned mech yet, which he focused a lot of attention on as scum on Day 1 in Trash Pandas.

Scotty attempting to identify more towntrusts directly after a game where he was scum and attempting to shade people who should have been townie in his eyes is villagery for him.

Oof.

So my reads rn are as follows,

Town:
Syn, Dunya, Chicken, Mac.

Null (because I'm dumb): NAA, Scotty

Wolvus minorus:
LP

Wolves:
Urist, Marmot, Dolby

LP is baby wolf because that's just gut. Scotty throws off my Dolby read because that goomba has been copying my reads all game. Marmot is dependent on Urist.

In a span of 20 minutes, Wilgy made the following reads, in order:
-Scotty bad, HK good.
-“oof”, responding to Marmot saying I look towny
-Scotty is Null, on a list which had multiple wolf leans and wolf reads

Wilgy already forgot his read of me. And totally forgot to include HK in his read list, who he just called good.

Moving on:

Spoiler: show

dunya is mafia

I am apathetic to this read but I will be watching with great interest.

I'm convinced that there is a W in Urist/Dunya. But idk which one.

The take Dunya gave in Urist early was fire.

But some of the more recent stuff has been... Meh.

Yeah, going to try to spot read here and there but work ends near EoD for me so I'll probably just be behind afew hundred posts today. If I do read them I likely won't be able to parse them completely.

In this wagon state, I'm likely to save Scotty. We were melding earlier and what I've seen from creature doesn't feel like his lazy t, more like rand w.

Urist and LP being on scotty makes me spooked.

My gut read of Wolfmot has faded. Was probably just knee jerk, but Dunya and Marmot being on Creature fills me with doubt.

Someone tell me as to why I'm wrong on Scotty. Like what's the solid case?

Still think there's a W in Urist/Dunya.

Was probably just knee jerk, but Dunya and Marmot being on Creature fills me with doubt.

is it our pairing specifically or the fact we're on creature specifically?

Just the pairing. I did have my doubt on Marmot early, but as advised earlier I realize that it's somewhat unfounded.

With you, I felt that you are within scum range, but you've advised afew things that I find really towny, BUT you are also a great player. idk, can't ever trust mom.

5 hours later, he’s back retracting his dunya town read I guess.

Then he wants to save me? On account of…wagon state? But is down to chop creature because “he doesn’t feel like his lazy t, more like rand w”. He’s never talked about creature before this point.

That last quote is just smh: ‘dunya, you could be a wolf, but you’ve said some towny stuff, but you’re so good you could be a wolf, and in the end, I don’t know. God bless’

And that’s just Day 1

[DrWilgy]

Something’s not sitting right with the votes right now.
Too many hands in each other’s cookie jars. Mafia is definitely voting another mafia member right now

This seems like a very convoluted way to say one of the only 2 wagons is Scum.
And really the dynamic doesn't look different from D2.

What I’m really saying is the thread is still chaos with these vote splits, and not everyone can seriously suspect everyone. Wolves are voting somewhere for one another.

Gonna iso Wilgy and urist. Wilgy’s iso is still all over the place knowing what we know now. I said I’d get to that so I’ll do that one first

Bruh this is too much effort for me.

It's me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Me and TSP are on such opposite pages that it isn’t even finny

this is immediately after you finally got on my page on lp which makes me wonder what gives

[Dolby]

I’d completely forgotten the Wilgy/Scotty saga tbh

[Scotty]

LP you are being far townier than last night tbh

Agreed.

[Dolby]

Me and TSP are on such opposite pages that it isn’t even finny

this is immediately after you finally got on my page on lp which makes me wonder what gives

I think she’s townier and am contemplating moving elsewhere. I’m just saying that our reads do not mesh lol

[Scotty]

I’d completely forgotten the Wilgy/Scotty saga tbh

It wasn’t really a saga more than a mediocre movie and a spin-off that exec’s shouldn’t have greenlit and no one asked for

[Scotty]

Something’s not sitting right with the votes right now.
Too many hands in each other’s cookie jars. Mafia is definitely voting another mafia member right now

This seems like a very convoluted way to say one of the only 2 wagons is Scum.
And really the dynamic doesn't look different from D2.

What I’m really saying is the thread is still chaos with these vote splits, and not everyone can seriously suspect everyone. Wolves are voting somewhere for one another.

Gonna iso Wilgy and urist. Wilgy’s iso is still all over the place knowing what we know now. I said I’d get to that so I’ll do that one first

Bruh this is too much effort for me.

It's me.

You had enough of a pulse on the game to give those reads, surface level or not. But they’re all over the place in terms of logic, not just content

[TonyStarkPrime]

dolby last night your team solve was LP+3 others and now your team solve is 4 others. of course our reads don't match, I think some people are wolves

[TonyStarkPrime]

again wilgy there's an easy out here

[Dolby]

dolby last night your team solve was LP+3 others and now your team solve is 4 others. of course our reads don't match, I think some people are wolves

who the wolves

[Scotty]

Day 2 Wilgy:

Spoiler: show

mac dying has no relevance to scotty being wolf imo. if he was killed for reads, it wouldn't be for his top scum read.

Don't know about this one cap.

2nd post of the day he uses to put doubt on…me? Who he chose to save. His next post is even more confusing, as he continues with the belief that of creature and me, creature was more likely wolf.

Spoiler: show

What does that mean? You think that the wolves are manipulating things to prevent their partner, Wilgy from going over?

i think me and LP are town, yes.

What does it take for me to get you to address the things I say instead of made up things that I didn't?

The wolves are manipulating things to protect Wilgy? Who is manipulating things to protect Wilgy?

YOU are making narratives i didn't say. i'm saying there's not traction to a wilgy wagon sticking. WHY?

i'm saying wolves are comfortable on two easy wagons between me and LP because it's t/t and maybe some lone wolves voting randomly. maybe sig is a wolf and not voting at all.

no one is interested in making wilgy a wagon despite a pretty strong case against him tbh because wolves are pushing two town up for back to back misyeets.

Because I'm not scum. The people I find scummy are 100% more likely to be scum.

I am expert wolf hunter even when busy.

Come at me mom.

sorry, son, i gots to do what i gots to do.

your sparkle isn't there. your conviction im wolf is not even genuine to me.

Nor is it genuine to me.

I can't tell if I'm wrong about you.

My entire thinking is that it's between you and Urist (WHO I STILL THINK IS A GOOD OPTION WHERE WE AT FAM?) has not been abated or appeased yet though.

I will say, independently of you/Urist and a hankering I have towards wolfmot, LP is a pretty great option.

What does it take for me to get you to address the things I say instead of made up things that I didn't?

The wolves are manipulating things to protect Wilgy? Who is manipulating things to protect Wilgy?

YOU are making narratives i didn't say. i'm saying there's not traction to a wilgy wagon sticking. WHY?

i'm saying wolves are comfortable on two easy wagons between me and LP because it's t/t and maybe some lone wolves voting randomly. maybe sig is a wolf and not voting at all.

no one is interested in making wilgy a wagon despite a pretty strong case against him tbh because wolves are pushing two town up for back to back misyeets.

Because I'm not scum. The people I find scummy are 100% more likely to be scum.

I am expert wolf hunter even when busy.

Come at me mom.

sorry, son, i gots to do what i gots to do.

your sparkle isn't there. your conviction im wolf is not even genuine to me.

Nor is it genuine to me.

I can't tell if I'm wrong about you.

My entire thinking is that it's between you and Urist (WHO I STILL THINK IS A GOOD OPTION WHERE WE AT FAM?) has not been abated or appeased yet though.

I will say, independently of you/Urist and a hankering I have towards wolfmot, LP is a pretty great option.

do you have any townreads?

any take on which of urist and dunya is wolf?

Rationally, I think it is Dunya. I like and from what I read at least, agree with Marmot's point. Plus Dunya continues to play in wolf range.

When I add emotion and gut to the read, I think it's Urist. There are patterns that I can't point out or describe that's giving me some real fear of this slot. Also if Dunya has teammates, I have no clue who they are. If Urist has teammates, I feel like I could figure them out (still leaning Marmot and LP if Urist is scum)

so 60/40 Dunya.

Town leads include
Chicken
Dolby (could say you, but listing this for convenience later)
Dya
HK
Joh
Syn

I think NAA, Scotty, Sig, TSP currently are PoE choices after I've figured out the Urist debacle.

I don't know how to feel about Marmot. I think I can often point out his town game, but something is weird. idk what it is.

Sig should be thousand cutted.

In the first post, he’s still admitting how unsure he is about dunya, but seems to be exasperated that no one will vote urist who he seems to prefer, next to…LP.
Then 8 minutes later, in his read list, he makes a clear distinction that he favors dunya over Urist when using rationality instead of emotion. Granted, this is his exact read from D1. This is the most detailed info we’ve gotten from Wilgy into his reads all game.

I’m back in his POE with some other newcomers because ???

Spoiler: show

NAA wagon is fine.

Question though, who's been consistently on the jump wagons? I think I've seen Scotty dancing about and that raises concern.

Scum trying really hard to save Dunya/LP if not both rn.

Cactuarctually, I'll move back to [VOTE: Dunya] aubergine. She can't keep getting away with this.

Adds his 2 cents that NAA wagon is fine, raises red flags about me jumping wagons, and he even suggests scum are trying to save one or both of dunya/LP

Then a minute later, he jumps back on to the wagon from…Urist…and votes dunya, saying “she can’t keep getting away with this,” thus seemingly trying to save LP.


D2 isn’t as egregious as D1, because he had a suspicion duo of dunya and urist lined up already, but his waffling across the day is still with confusing energy.

[Syn]

petit who'd you block

@Syn

why would you block your supposed top town read

anyway it didn't work so neener neener to you

[Scotty]

petit who'd you block

@Syn

why would you block your supposed top town read

anyway it didn't work so neener neener to you

Why, what did you do last night

[Syn]

I remember ISOing Wilgy last night and coming to the conclusion that he’s just a wolf. Look at his reads on D1. Someone else (marmot?) called them out as surface level and that’s the best word to describe them. I would even go so far as to say he gets confused in who he trusts and suspects. I’ll go into more detail later once I’ve had my coffee and did my morning routine.

Jack can also just be a wolf. That uberconfidence in his casing of dunya is easily motivated by a wolf agenda to try and take out a player that can be very beneficial as town.
I’ll do more looking into this later too.

NAA can also die.

The 4th can be aaaaaanyone

You have a morning routine?

Yep!
7:30: wake up
7:45: wake up again
8:05: morning poop
8:07: chase the dog to get her harness on
8:15: take the dog out
9:00: get coffee and a bagel from the cart outside
9:05: give the dog a bath because she a goddamned filth monster
9:30: watch a silly video
9:40: wake up again
10:15: vote NAA
10:17: get ready for work
10:20: go to work

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

funny poasts

[Urist]

I won't have the emotional investment to sort out the claims today, what LP did makes no sense and I'm ok voting on that alone, if someone who I town read has something to say about it, I might be inclined to listen.

they're town because it makes no sense

lp is caught in a lie.
it's also plausible that mafLP expected townies to use lv3 paladin instead of lv2, leading her to believe that no block message = no block.

[Syn]

I don’t think scum LP comes out of the gate today claiming Druid Lev 2 actions. I believe she used those how she used those.

Mafia aren’t picking Druid class

I think scum LP does just that because I blocked them yesterday and they're full of shit

well well well

[Jackofhearts2005]

god that lp quote unquote slip is really bad but real slips don't happen

LP claiming tracking sig was bad

No its really great.
Mafia would 100% use Sig to preform the kill.
So Mafia is forced to kill me tonight or risk the fact I'll confirm Sig's alignment tonight.
It's even worse for Mafia if Sig is Mafia since it confirms Sig is Mafiaand confirms me.

But we're eliminating Sig via freddy kill anyway. His alignment doesn't matter.

And since Sig is dead anyway, if you provide info proving he's a wolf, that doesn't confirm you because wolves have no desire or ability to save Sig in the first place.

[Jackofhearts2005]

TSP I really don't get why you're TRing LP

dunya said so and possibly gamestate read from yesterday but I think I can interpret that either way

talk about hte gamestate read

me and jack were the main pushers on the dunya wagon, which for most of the day was the only real cw to LP. If LP is a wolf, I think you would have seen that taken up by another wolf, likely. So then, Jack/LP is a possibility but the only one. (It's actually somewhat disturbing now that I think about it that LP is hammering me wolf for no reason but has given no opinion on Jack that I can remember). So given that I think JAck is town, LP is town.

There are other ways to interpret all of this though

This is a fair read and I might mirror it.

[Urist]

we should have killed linearpoint d1

[Urist]

if creature were still alive i'm sure he'd agree

[Dolby]

I actually disagree with the gamestate read, but I'd have to read through VCs to like outright oppose it.

In retrospect, it was pretty likely that Dunya would die in a Dunya/LP match up, and I can think of at least 3 people who vote hopped a lot but were always going to end up on Dunya

[Urist]

team is LP / TSP / Jack / Wilgy
gg ez

[Jackofhearts2005]

gonna sleep jack's in charge until he leads a chop on another good townie

lol ow

[Urist]

team is LP / TSP / Jack / Wilgy
gg ez

if anyone wants to disagree with this please consider first learning how to read and applying that skill to the game thread

[Dolby]

team is LP / TSP / Jack / Wilgy
gg ez

there is no way lp and tsp are teammed

[Jackofhearts2005]

team is LP / TSP / Jack / Wilgy
gg ez

Sure. Wilgy first then reevaluate.

[NotAnAxehole]

I want to kill LP and Urist, that's my progression so far today.

[Scotty]

we should have killed linearpoint d1

I mean…I wholeheartedly agree, but the rest of the town didn’t.

That there’s been about 3 different people that said I should have been killed D1 is just all around a bad take.

However.

It could also be inferred that if D1 wagons were v/v between me and creature, Lp and dunya could have been v/v

The only difference was the weird wagons that formed d2 across the board between tsp Wilgy dunya, naa and Lp. In the end though, too much chaos. What are the odds that all 5 of those wagons were v? Very very slim.

[Dolby]

urist why'd you unvote

[Jackofhearts2005]

Me wanting to sheep the town player I buried yesterday because I don't have any independent scumreads is like really bad but that's where we are.

[Urist]

team is LP / TSP / Jack / Wilgy
gg ez

there is no way lp and tsp are teammed

i hope you're joking.