Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Chris]

LC, you moved your vote off of DF, and on to Bass. How come?

Also, I love how Epig made all these cases for how I'm The Master or the recruiter, but when he sees that no one is going to vote for me, he changes his vote to DF.

Why would he do that? DF is recruited? How does that make him more dangerous than the recruiter or a baddie with a kill?

Answer? Epig will do anything to keep Bass or Snow Dog from being lynched, including jumping on any case that isn't him or them.


MM: I KNOW the recruiter is bad. Civs can not win when there's a recruiter.

[S~V~S]

I think you defended me because you either planned on recruiting me or you wanted me to shut up.

You changed your tune on me after I dropped that hint about the recruiter going as fas as openly defending Roxy in the thread.


Let's remember that you wanted to vote me because you thought I wouldn't have replaced into a role like Jack Harkness or Sarah.

No one can shut you up. Why would I even try? I voted for you, pushed hard on you, then backed right the fuck off with that role hint. Your paranoia is blinding you, my friend.

[Chris]

I also think that there's going to be another recruitment tonight, and I think it's going to be Epig.

That's why I think team recruitment has been trying to steer the thread away from Epig.



Because you may have wanted to recruit me or shut me up.

Also, lynching a civ wouldn't really help you much, would it.

I wouldn't imagine anyone, good or bad, would WANT to lynch a civ...

[Chris]

That 2nd part was to SVS.

[Marmot]

In reading back on MP, I noticed that SVS and Roxy were really trying to get people to vote for Epig over MM.

Roxy goes out of her way to try to convince MP to vote for Epig over MM.

For me, that's further proof that they were on the same recruited team.

Still digging.

Like I said Chris, I have not been recruited. You saw how fast I pulled my vote off of you when you made that role hint. You think about that. If you keep not seeing what I am saying, I am going to have no choice but to stop believing that hint. Which is the only reason I took my vote off you. Iirc I was also one of the only people defending you yesterday.

And MM, <3 you but totally not listening to you either.

Do what you want. I'm having a hard time trusting/believing MP though. His role says one thing, but his motives scream another.

Linki: You never gave me the impression that you thought I was bad. If you think that the/a recruiter is bad (I would disagree), then wouldn't that guarantee my baddieness?

[Marmot]

I also think that there's going to be another recruitment tonight, and I think it's going to be Epig.

That's why I think team recruitment has been trying to steer the thread away from Epig.



Because you may have wanted to recruit me or shut me up.

Also, lynching a civ wouldn't really help you much, would it.

I wouldn't imagine anyone, good or bad, would WANT to lynch a civ...

SVS has been trying to lynch Epi the last few days though. I don't think that would be ingenuous.

[zeek]

Your paranoia is blinding you, my friend.

I have to agree with this.

Chris, set out your Cyber team, recruited team and the remaining civs for me. I'm trying to follow this but it seems a mess.

[Chris]

Linki: You never gave me the impression that you thought I was bad. If you think that the/a recruiter is bad (I would disagree), then wouldn't that guarantee my baddieness?

Is that to me?

Why wouldn't I think you're bad? Recruited or not, your role required me to die for you to win.

That's bad in my book.

[S~V~S]

Also, lynching a civ wouldn't really help you much, would it.

I wouldn't imagine anyone, good or bad, would WANT to lynch a civ...

No I don't either

Linki, yeah I have. And I still think he is bad tbh.

[S~V~S]

He=Epi

Too muck linki

[Chris]

Your paranoia is blinding you, my friend.

I have to agree with this.

Chris, set out your Cyber team, recruited team and the remaining civs for me. I'm trying to follow this but it seems a mess.

zeek, I have. To be honest, I'm wary of you as well, since MP helped get you rezzed.

But, here you go:

CyberController - Epig
Role blocker - Bass
Cyber Head - Snow Dog

recruiter - SVS
recruited - keys and MP.

I think there's a chance that keys is The Master.


I'm moving my vote to SVS. I think if the recruiter dies, the recruited go back to normal, and I for one want a non-recruited civvie MP back.

*votes SVS*

[S~V~S]

Lol

[zeek]

I don't see it tbh.

I'm not surprised you're wary of me, you've accused everyone else so...

At least you know I'm not the Master or a Cyberman.

[Chris]

I don't see it tbh.

I'm not surprised you're wary of me, you've accused everyone else so...

At least you know I'm not the Master or a Cyberman.

This is the second time you've said this.

Show me where I've accused "everyone else"...

[S~V~S]

I don't think anyone has the time to quote 524 posts.

[Black Rock]

Your paranoia is blinding you, my friend.

I have to agree with this.

Chris, set out your Cyber team, recruited team and the remaining civs for me. I'm trying to follow this but it seems a mess.

zeek, I have. To be honest, I'm wary of you as well, since MP helped get you rezzed.

But, here you go:

CyberController - Epig
Role blocker - Bass
Cyber Head - Snow Dog

recruiter - SVS
recruited - keys and MP.

I think there's a chance that keys is The Master.


I'm moving my vote to SVS. I think if the recruiter dies, the recruited go back to normal, and I for one want a non-recruited civvie MP back.

*votes SVS*

SVS can't be the recruiter.

[Chris]

There's something that may not work depending on how the hosts answer a question.

If BTSC is lost once recruited, there's a problem with my theory.

If BTSC is retained once recruited, there's no problem.

I hope the hosts answer this before the lynch is over, but in case they don't, i'll put my vote back onto Bass.

[Chris]

And then there's BR saying that... which makes me worry I'm wrong.

[Marmot]

Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

If you were a civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving you one more NK survival than you claim. If MP's theory is correct, there is much less reason to believe you are Jack Harness Chris. I think there is a hole in your story here. Especially because

Also, there's no guaruntee that Sarah is alive.

She could have been targeted for a kill, and just failed the 50/50. And no one would know the difference in the night post.

You proposed that Sarah might be dead, which makes it far less likely that you are her. I think I've caught you here.

[Black Rock]

I voted for Bass. I am suspicious of DFaraday but somethings and given me pause on him so I am going to revisit that tomorrow.

[Chris]

My whole thing with SVS aside (i'm not perfect, I very well could be wrong), keep in mind that I'm sure Snow Dog's vote is worth at least 3.


You what MM?

Try that again?

[Epignosis]

Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

If you were a civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving you one more NK survival than you claim. If MP's theory is correct, there is much less reason to believe you are Jack Harness Chris. I think there is a hole in your story here. Especially because

Also, there's no guaruntee that Sarah is alive.

She could have been targeted for a kill, and just failed the 50/50. And no one would know the difference in the night post.

You proposed that Sarah might be dead, which makes it far less likely that you are her. I think I've caught you here.

Good point.

Voting Chris.

[S~V~S]

And then there's BR saying that... which makes me worry I'm wrong.

You should worry about that, because you are wrong.

[Chris]

MM, don't forget that the Cybers targeted me the same night Strax did. That would have been 2 NK attempts.

But like I said, I leave it up to me being one role or the other.

When I said that about Sarah, it's true. If she was NKed, we'd never know it. She doesn't AUTOMATICALLY survive like other roles.

[Chris]

Good point.

Voting Chris.

Wow, direct reaction to this?

Also, I love how Epig made all these cases for how I'm The Master or the recruiter, but when he sees that no one is going to vote for me, he changes his vote to DF.

Why would he do that? DF is recruited? How does that make him more dangerous than the recruiter or a baddie with a kill?

Answer? Epig will do anything to keep Bass or Snow Dog from being lynched, including jumping on any case that isn't him or them.
.

[Epignosis]

Good point.

Voting Chris.

Wow, direct reaction to this?

Epignosis is a gentleman and a scholar. And awesome.

[Chris]

Call it fear mongering, I don't care.

Nights 1, 3, 5, & 7 for recruiting. 2 are dead. That means there are 4 currently on team recruitment. 5 after they recruit tonight.

There are 3 Cybers left, 4 if you think that the body is somehow a secret Cyber role.

That's 9 possible non civs, with 10 being civ and 1 being The Master. (11 civs if The Master is one of the recruits)

I don't like these odds for the civs...

I feel the beginnings of the recruiter team's end game.

[Epignosis]

Oh, you meant your direct reaction. I thought you were asking me for my reaction to what I posted. So sorry. Do forgive me. Honest error.

Also, I love how Epig made all these cases for how I'm The Master or the recruiter, but when he sees that no one is going to vote for me, he changes his vote to DF.

Why would he do that? DF is recruited? How does that make him more dangerous than the recruiter or a baddie with a kill?

Answer? Epig will do anything to keep Bass or Snow Dog from being lynched, including jumping on any case that isn't him or them.
.

If you think I'll do anything to keep a teammate from being lynched, you failed EpiFeb 101. You may take the course again next semester (providing there are no holds on your account).

Also, I raised what I consider to be solid points about DF. While I don't wish to seem greedy, I hope I can have two simultaneous suspects when some people (won't mention who) have seventeen or more.

No, I don't find Bass suspicious, and I don't agree with the people voting for him. I hope I'm right about him, because I like it when other people are incorrect.

[Chris]

Call it fear mongering, I don't care.

Nights 1, 3, 5, & 7 for recruiting. 2 are dead. That means there are 4 currently on team recruitment. 5 after they recruit tonight.

There are 3 Cybers left, 4 if you think that the body is somehow a secret Cyber role.

That's 9 possible non civs, with 10 being civ and 1 being The Master. (11 civs if The Master is one of the recruits)

I don't like these odds for the civs...

I feel the beginnings of the recruiter team's end game.

*1 recruit is dead.

MM is back.

[Chris]

No, I don't find Bass suspicious, and I don't agree with the people voting for him. I hope I'm right about him, because I like it when other people are incorrect.

You also didn't find Sabie suspicious...

[Marmot]

MM, don't forget that the Cybers targeted me the same night Strax did. That would have been 2 NK attempts.

But like I said, I leave it up to me being one role or the other.

When I said that about Sarah, it's true. If she was NKed, we'd never know it. She doesn't AUTOMATICALLY survive like other roles.

But Strax has attempted 4 kills thus far. 3 of them have failed, one succeeded.

Elo survived the first one on Night 2
Made is killed on Night 4
You survived the second on Night 6
DFaraday survives the third on Night 8

Here's his role.

Strax: A member of the Sontaran warrior race. You were demoted to a nurse, forced to heal the injured as punishment for being defeated by The Doctor. You often assist Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint, but they prevent you from acting on your more violent outbursts and ideas. For now though, you are allowed to act out on some of those urges because you are the civ ninja. Given your sometimes wonky luck, your first 3 targets against civilians will fail. However, you will not be notified of the reason why those kills failed.

So that means that his kill on you failed because either you are civ OR you have NK protection and you are a baddie. If you are a civ, you must be Jack or Sarah. You've suggested that you are not Sarah because she may be dead. If you are a civ, then the kill wouldn't happen, leaving you with one (at the time) NK surival. If you had one NK survival, then there would be no need to worry about being targeted NK'd last night, especially since double-targeting is not allowed.

[Epignosis]

No, I don't find Bass suspicious, and I don't agree with the people voting for him. I hope I'm right about him, because I like it when other people are incorrect.

You also didn't find Sabie suspicious...

[zeek]

Who the hell haven't you accused then?

I mean, you said this last Night

You want to hold me feet to the flame on who the recruiter could be? I think it could be either Juliets, Ninju, I thought Elo but you seemed to indicate that if I thought that, you'd say I was bad, and also Dana, but MP sounds like he'll start a lynch on me if I think that way.

And now SVS is the recruiter.

I have a fact for you. This one is undisputable.

Your accusations are all over the place.

I think you're civ, but you're making it hard to keep that belief.

[Elohcin]

I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

[zeek]

So that means that his kill on you failed because either you are civ OR you have NK protection and you are a baddie. If you are a civ, you must be Jack or Sarah. You've suggested that you are not Sarah because she may be dead. If you are a civ, then the kill wouldn't happen, leaving you with one (at the time) NK surival. If you had one NK survival, then there would be no need to worry about being targeted NK'd last night, especially since double-targeting is not allowed.

But the Cybermen tried to kill him the same night as Strax, so he wouldn't have had another NK protection until now.

[zeek]

I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

Why are you voting Chris, Elo?

[Marmot]

MM is back.

Hi

[Epignosis]

Who the hell haven't you accused then?

I mean, you said this last Night

You want to hold me feet to the flame on who the recruiter could be? I think it could be either Juliets, Ninju, I thought Elo but you seemed to indicate that if I thought that, you'd say I was bad, and also Dana, but MP sounds like he'll start a lynch on me if I think that way.

And now SVS is the recruiter.

I have a fact for you. This one is undisputable.

Your accusations are all over the place.

I think you're civ, but you're making it hard to keep that belief.

Civilian roles don't matter, zeek. I don't know if you saw my massive write up about Chris, but I stand by it.

[Marmot]

So that means that his kill on you failed because either you are civ OR you have NK protection and you are a baddie. If you are a civ, you must be Jack or Sarah. You've suggested that you are not Sarah because she may be dead. If you are a civ, then the kill wouldn't happen, leaving you with one (at the time) NK surival. If you had one NK survival, then there would be no need to worry about being targeted NK'd last night, especially since double-targeting is not allowed.

But the Cybermen tried to kill him the same night as Strax, so he wouldn't have had another NK protection until now.

If he is civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving Chris with only one kill attempt to survive.

[zeek]

Civilian roles don't matter, zeek. I don't know if you saw my massive write up about Chris, but I stand by it.

The one about the Cyber role checker voting for him?

How don't civs matter? Every civ matters, from the Doctor to Wilf.

[Dom]

I have always felt like, generally, S~V~S is someone under MP's wing, like SpaceDaisy and Dana were, I believe. Stay safe, S~V~S.

Also, changing my vote back to Bass... I was just going along with my boy keys in his pressure plan for DFaraday, but I have to go to work now. Bass, as I said before, is the lynch for me today.

LC, can you clarify what context you mean "SVS is someone under MP's wing"? Do you mean in this game or in general?

In reading back on MP, I noticed that SVS and Roxy were really trying to get people to vote for Epig over MM.

Roxy goes out of her way to try to convince MP to vote for Epig over MM.

For me, that's further proof that they were on the same recruited team.

Still digging.

Like I said Chris, I have not been recruited. You saw how fast I pulled my vote off of you when you made that role hint. You think about that. If you keep not seeing what I am saying, I am going to have no choice but to stop believing that hint. Which is the only reason I took my vote off you. Iirc I was also one of the only people defending you yesterday.

And MM, <3 you but totally not listening to you either.

SVS, why did you respond to Chris with what amounts to a threat of a NO U?

I'm moving my vote to SVS. I think if the recruiter dies, the recruited go back to normal, and I for one want a non-recruited civvie MP back.

*votes SVS*

Where did you get any of these ideas?

I don't see it tbh.

I'm not surprised you're wary of me, you've accused everyone else so...

At least you know I'm not the Master or a Cyberman.

This is the second time you've said this.

Show me where I've accused "everyone else"...

Are you remotely serious?
If you wanna be paranoid, that's fine. Own it.
Don't pretend like you've been subdued and it's so outrageous someone is accusing you of burning the house down because you saw a spider.

Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

If you were a civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving you one more NK survival than you claim. If MP's theory is correct, there is much less reason to believe you are Jack Harness Chris. I think there is a hole in your story here. Especially because

Also, there's no guaruntee that Sarah is alive.

She could have been targeted for a kill, and just failed the 50/50. And no one would know the difference in the night post.

You proposed that Sarah might be dead, which makes it far less likely that you are her. I think I've caught you here.

This is a great point, actually.

MM, don't forget that the Cybers targeted me the same night Strax did. That would have been 2 NK attempts.

But like I said, I leave it up to me being one role or the other.

When I said that about Sarah, it's true. If she was NKed, we'd never know it. She doesn't AUTOMATICALLY survive like other roles.

Which this post does not address whatsoever-- but rather, it feigns it.

Call it fear mongering, I don't care.

Nights 1, 3, 5, & 7 for recruiting. 2 are dead. That means there are 4 currently on team recruitment. 5 after they recruit tonight.

There are 3 Cybers left, 4 if you think that the body is somehow a secret Cyber role.

That's 9 possible non civs, with 10 being civ and 1 being The Master. (11 civs if The Master is one of the recruits)

I don't like these odds for the civs...

I feel the beginnings of the recruiter team's end game.

how do you do this


Elo, while we're sharing our thoughts, why don't you share yours?


HOSTS: If Strax were to kill someone with a civilian role, but they were recruited, and Strax was still under his civvie protection kill thing--- would the kill fail?


Zeek, having a civilian role is nice-- but you could be recruited.

[Chris]

Who the hell haven't you accused then?

I mean, you said this last Night

You want to hold me feet to the flame on who the recruiter could be? I think it could be either Juliets, Ninju, I thought Elo but you seemed to indicate that if I thought that, you'd say I was bad, and also Dana, but MP sounds like he'll start a lynch on me if I think that way.

And now SVS is the recruiter.

I have a fact for you. This one is undisputable.

Your accusations are all over the place.

I think you're civ, but you're making it hard to keep that belief.

zeek, do you think I wanted to tip my hand to SVS, a player who I have the utmost respect for as a mafia player?

No.

I was tossing bullshit so they didn't know what I was working on.

Besides, I"m getting some troubling feedback from the idea of SVS as the recruiter, so I've reconsidering.


MM, wait.

You are very confused. And for me to explain enough to clear it up for you would require for me to out my role. But since you already have, and I don't think anyone is being confused by my bad vagueness, allow me to explain why you're wrong, and Epig will jump on anything.

I did not start with any protections. Which was why I was laying low. Then I got my first one on NIGHT 4. Then on night 6, I was double targeted for NKs. Strax's failed because I am civ. The Cyber kill failed because it was passed night 4.

Then on night 8, I was worried because NIGHT EIGHT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET.

And that's why I won't be lynched today.




HOLY LINKI!

[Chris]

Going back to read, but... good question Dom.

[Marmot]

MM, wait.

You are very confused. And for me to explain enough to clear it up for you would require for me to out my role. But since you already have, and I don't think anyone is being confused by my bad vagueness, allow me to explain why you're wrong, and Epig will jump on anything.

I did not start with any protections. Which was why I was laying low. Then I got my first one on NIGHT 4. Then on night 6, I was double targeted for NKs. Strax's failed because I am civ. The Cyber kill failed because it was passed night 4.

Then on night 8, I was worried because NIGHT EIGHT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET.

And that's why I won't be lynched today.




HOLY LINKI!

That's where I went wrong. I was thinking you had started with one.

[S~V~S]

I am voting Bass, going with the people I trust.

[Chris]

And again, just because I post about someone, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing them.

As for suspecting people, I suspect every single one of you mother fuckers with a recruiter role on board.

But anyway, this is why I was saying that I can't put thoughts out on posts, because people try to use them against me.

This isn't the first time I've heard "Chris, you suspect everyone".

I din't suspect it'll be the last either.

[Elohcin]

I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

Why are you voting Chris, Elo?

He talks a lot. I think his over-participation is his way of warding off suspicion.

[Marmot]

That does not discount the possibility of your alignment, but okay, I will assume you are Jack for now.

Does Chris suspect the very go-along TH?


Linki: what about MP?

[zeek]

zeek, do you think I wanted to tip my hand to SVS, a player who I have the utmost respect for as a mafia player?

No.

I was tossing bullshit so they didn't know what I was working on.

You shit on keys for faking suspicion. How is this different?

Zeek, having a civilian role is nice-- but you could be recruited.

Bit pointless saying this really, anyone could be.

If he is civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving Chris with only one kill attempt to survive.

Right, and wouldn't the Cybers trying to kill him have used up that protection?

[Chris]

Good reason. Elo.

Ignoring basic evidence... bad reason.


@ MM: I'm not recruited either. If you think about it, who the fuck would ever want to recruit me? I'm like a lightening rod for trouble...



zeek... you've never played with me before. To be honest, I was waiting for people to start accusing me of not being me.

I call out odd shit, and if I think I'm right, I am VERY hard to convince otherwise. If I didn't call out keys for that odd behavior, and trying to discredit my work, it would have looked very out of place.

Also, I'm still curious why keys was trying to discredit my Cyber case...