Gym Class Mafia D7

[Seanzie]

@Marmot can you talk me through why you shot Jack? You had to have given the shot a lot of thought.

Ugh, Marmot and Shending are wolves...

I feel like this first post kind of contradicts the second post.

Feel like the first post has to assume that Marmot is town given the sentence "You had to have given the shot a lot of thought".

"You had to have given the shot a lot of thought" was a way of goading Marmot.

[Seanzie]

I have 60 posts and I'm not going to re-explain the same thing to you Sean.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Cape90]

Marmot is coming off as weird to me tbh

Like Marmot is calling me one of his top town but is like

Not explaining why at all. They seem to be deliberately avoiding talking about me

[Cape90]

@Marmot can you talk me through why you shot Jack? You had to have given the shot a lot of thought.

Ugh, Marmot and Shending are wolves...

I feel like this first post kind of contradicts the second post.

Feel like the first post has to assume that Marmot is town given the sentence "You had to have given the shot a lot of thought".

"You had to have given the shot a lot of thought" was a way of goading Marmot.

oh so it was a snarky comment

[Cape90]

I want to vote dya but I will vote here if this dont get hammered real soon

[Cape90]

if this isnt hammered I'm living in 2 worlds

1. Marmot is mafia
2. Seanzie is mafia

maybe 3 worlds where marmot/sean are w/w, but given conversation, I would probs doubt that unless wolves were just really not confident they could get a misvote off today I guess

[Marmot]

I'm guessing Sean is just a wolf here, and that dya is on his team.

Spoiler: show

Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?

was HK a lead wagon at that time? I don't recall. But I probably just forgot to include HK because I literally pointed out I get better at reading him as time goes on.

Seanzie and dunya are very strong players so I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. You and NAA I was villa reading

I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?

pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it

I don't think we interacted much at all that game. I didn't scumread you, and players new to me that don't ping me, I usually ignore because I find it easier to hunt when there are less players on my mind.

I didnt need to interact with you that game to think you were a threat?

Do you think I'm a threat now (in particular a threat to you, not just to mafia in general)?

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

You didn't feel threatened when I asked you if you felt I was a threat to you?

I'm scrolling back through Sean's ISO to look at his interactions with dya. There was negligible content on Day 1, but Day 2 does offer these back-and-forths, leading to Sean voting for dya. It isn't much of a case, it's a back and forth prodding of sorts.

Sean later dropped this vote (and push?) of dya in favor of sabi. I can't entirely fault him for this, because I wanted to kill sabi too, but I still don't think we should have killed sabi then, and Sean pushing for at this moment . I think the thread in general agreed on this, but sabi was pushed and killed instead.


I think the reason Sean is pushing me here is that dya is his teammate, and he knows he needs to make a push on someone outside of the POE to win this game. If he has other teammates, I could see them being falcon and another low POE candidate. And this is why Sean pushed for a massclaim at the same time.


Sean did vote for HK on Day 1 to push him over, which does give me a little pause. But if the wolves did have 6 teammates, it probably wasn't that hard for them to bus early.

Anyone who thinks I would be drafted to a mafia team, I have a hard time taking seriously. You should know I'm town.

[Marmot]

I have 60 posts and I'm not going to re-explain the same thing to you Sean.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Sean is now an outed wolf.

[Seanzie]

I'm guessing Sean is just a wolf here, and that dya is on his team.

Spoiler: show

was HK a lead wagon at that time? I don't recall. But I probably just forgot to include HK because I literally pointed out I get better at reading him as time goes on.

Seanzie and dunya are very strong players so I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. You and NAA I was villa reading

I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?

pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it

I don't think we interacted much at all that game. I didn't scumread you, and players new to me that don't ping me, I usually ignore because I find it easier to hunt when there are less players on my mind.

I didnt need to interact with you that game to think you were a threat?

Do you think I'm a threat now (in particular a threat to you, not just to mafia in general)?

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

You didn't feel threatened when I asked you if you felt I was a threat to you?

I'm scrolling back through Sean's ISO to look at his interactions with dya. There was negligible content on Day 1, but Day 2 does offer these back-and-forths, leading to Sean voting for dya. It isn't much of a case, it's a back and forth prodding of sorts.

Sean later dropped this vote (and push?) of dya in favor of sabi. I can't entirely fault him for this, because I wanted to kill sabi too, but I still don't think we should have killed sabi then, and Sean pushing for at this moment . I think the thread in general agreed on this, but sabi was pushed and killed instead.


I think the reason Sean is pushing me here is that dya is his teammate, and he knows he needs to make a push on someone outside of the POE to win this game. If he has other teammates, I could see them being falcon and another low POE candidate. And this is why Sean pushed for a massclaim at the same time.


Sean did vote for HK on Day 1 to push him over, which does give me a little pause. But if the wolves did have 6 teammates, it probably wasn't that hard for them to bus early.

Anyone who thinks I would be drafted to a mafia team, I have a hard time taking seriously. You should know I'm town.

By LC? Should I know that?

[Marmot]

Marmot is coming off as weird to me tbh

Like Marmot is calling me one of his top town but is like

Not explaining why at all. They seem to be deliberately avoiding talking about me

I'm trying to get there. I generally don't pay a lot of attention to players I'm new to, so I apologize if I haven't given you exactly what you're looking for.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

I'm guessing Sean is just a wolf here, and that dya is on his team.

Spoiler: show

I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?

pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it

I don't think we interacted much at all that game. I didn't scumread you, and players new to me that don't ping me, I usually ignore because I find it easier to hunt when there are less players on my mind.

I didnt need to interact with you that game to think you were a threat?

Do you think I'm a threat now (in particular a threat to you, not just to mafia in general)?

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

You didn't feel threatened when I asked you if you felt I was a threat to you?

I'm scrolling back through Sean's ISO to look at his interactions with dya. There was negligible content on Day 1, but Day 2 does offer these back-and-forths, leading to Sean voting for dya. It isn't much of a case, it's a back and forth prodding of sorts.

Sean later dropped this vote (and push?) of dya in favor of sabi. I can't entirely fault him for this, because I wanted to kill sabi too, but I still don't think we should have killed sabi then, and Sean pushing for at this moment . I think the thread in general agreed on this, but sabi was pushed and killed instead.


I think the reason Sean is pushing me here is that dya is his teammate, and he knows he needs to make a push on someone outside of the POE to win this game. If he has other teammates, I could see them being falcon and another low POE candidate. And this is why Sean pushed for a massclaim at the same time.


Sean did vote for HK on Day 1 to push him over, which does give me a little pause. But if the wolves did have 6 teammates, it probably wasn't that hard for them to bus early.

Anyone who thinks I would be drafted to a mafia team, I have a hard time taking seriously. You should know I'm town.

By LC? Should I know that?

I haven't won a game as wolf since December 2020, and it's relatively known here that it's because I'm awful at it.

[Marmot]

sabiplz ( 4 ) Seanzie, dyachei, Wisdom, Shending_Help
dyachei ( 2 ) Cape90, DrWilgy
falcon45ca ( 1 ) dunya
Not Voting ( 4 ) falcon45ca, sabiplz, spacedaisy, marmot

Here's the VC from Day 2. I'm looking at this in the scenario that dya is a wolf who was saved.

Sean was the first vote on the Sabi wagon here (or at least that's how Nanook logged it).


I don't think that Shen is a wolf based on Sean's push today. If Sean and Shen are wolves, I don't think they would have much trouble winning this game, even if they were the only two wolves left.

This VC probably points to DrWilgy and Cape as town if dya is a wolf.

dunya is town either way


Which means that any of the final wolves could be in falcon/spacedaisy.


Hmmm.

[Seanzie]

sabiplz ( 4 ) Seanzie, dyachei, Wisdom, Shending_Help
dyachei ( 2 ) Cape90, DrWilgy
falcon45ca ( 1 ) dunya
Not Voting ( 4 ) falcon45ca, sabiplz, spacedaisy, marmot

Here's the VC from Day 2. I'm looking at this in the scenario that dya is a wolf who was saved.

Sean was the first vote on the Sabi wagon here (or at least that's how Nanook logged it).


I don't think that Shen is a wolf based on Sean's push today. If Sean and Shen are wolves, I don't think they would have much trouble winning this game, even if they were the only two wolves left.

This VC probably points to DrWilgy and Cape as town if dya is a wolf.

dunya is town either way


Which means that any of the final wolves could be in falcon/spacedaisy.


Hmmm.

Hmmm.

[Marmot]

I'mma sleep on it, but at this point, I believe we just auto-chop Sean/dya and then see where we're at.

I'd like feedback from everyone else when you get a chance.


[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

[Seanzie]

I'mma sleep on it, but at this point, I believe we just auto-chop Sean/dya and then see where we're at.

I'd like feedback from everyone else when you get a chance.


[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

This is outing. There is no need to cross, but Marmot is going to vote me and sleep. No townie would do that.

[Seanzie]

Like, I'm sitting here, playing on two devices with one continually having "no vote" selected and my mouse on "submit vote" in case a wagon forms on Marmot, I can unvote instantly, because while I think he is scum, I'm not about to put that much faith into my own reads to not be wary about what is going on. Marmot's "vote Seanzie, I'm going to sleep" is BS. He has a reasonably good read on me, and so he should know I'm town, or at least think I might be, so him hard-committing to me being wolf is bad. Him planting on me is bad. Marmot is bad.

[Seanzie]

Like, I'm sitting here, playing on two devices with one continually having "no vote" selected and my mouse on "submit vote" in case a wagon forms on Marmot, I can unvote instantly, because while I think he is scum, I'm not about to put that much faith into my own reads to not be wary about what is going on. Marmot's "vote Seanzie, I'm going to sleep" is BS. He has a reasonably good read on me, and so he should know I'm town, or at least think I might be, so him hard-committing to me being wolf is bad. Him planting on me is bad. Marmot is bad.

[Seanzie]

How do you feel, Marmot?

[Seanzie]

Yeah, Marmot is just a hit.

[Seanzie]

@Marmot?

[Shending_Help]

Oh God...

[Shending_Help]

I'm still pretty sure youre both town. Since probably falcon is an Afk wolf the wolves wouldn't have the power to hammer yet.

If I'm wrong on one of them it'd probably be Marmot over Sean at this point, but I still think they're both town. And crossing in lylo is a normal reaction sean, it's not outing however much you want to confbias you being right on this.

Just like your argument of "he should know I'm town here" I'm sure Marmot feels the exact same, especially with his post about not having won as a wolf in a long time.

Can we just all unvote and make a reasonable yeet instead before it's too late?

(PS. I think sean is *probably* always town for the comment about sitting ready on 2 devices with the finger on the unvote button)

[Shending_Help]

If ur votes stya crossed, I'll be forced to vote Marmot eventually and probably lose the game when you're both V, but I wanna at least try to have you see reason here, Sean

[Shending_Help]

I really really really don't think Sean would feel forced to do this balls-to-the-walls move to win as wolf. And I also believe the way that he's tinfoiled himself into this world. I believe his comments about being ready to unvote on 2 devices. I believe in my Sean towncase I posted the other day, I think only my wisdom Town case was stronger than it. I especially still believe Alison subtly shaded Sean when Sean tried to clear himself on meta reasons similar to Axes. In a for sure spewy way.

If any1 is thinking about ever voting Sean today because he's flipping out, then please look at the big picture and see there's 1000 reasons why he's just town here.

With that said... We probably still lose

[dunya]

seanzie wolf
dya wolf

[dunya]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

[dunya]

i still preferred dya today, but seanzie knew that i guess.

[dunya]

sabiplz ( 4 ) Seanzie, dyachei, Wisdom, Shending_Help
dyachei ( 2 ) Cape90, DrWilgy
falcon45ca ( 1 ) dunya
Not Voting ( 4 ) falcon45ca, sabiplz, spacedaisy, marmot

Here's the VC from Day 2. I'm looking at this in the scenario that dya is a wolf who was saved.

Sean was the first vote on the Sabi wagon here (or at least that's how Nanook logged it).


I don't think that Shen is a wolf based on Sean's push today. If Sean and Shen are wolves, I don't think they would have much trouble winning this game, even if they were the only two wolves left.

This VC probably points to DrWilgy and Cape as town if dya is a wolf.

dunya is town either way


Which means that any of the final wolves could be in falcon/spacedaisy.


Hmmm.

falcon/dya/seanzie is my guess

i dont think spacedaisy is wolf in the few posts she made and the fact she relayed a wolf read on me lol.

[dunya]

i think seanzie really bit the bullet today for a wolf win. he could have pushed me, but it was a bit hasty to go after marmot.

im still angry we didn't get dya today, but the fact im 100% sure marmot is town here points to being 100% sure seanzie is wolf.

one thing i note about dya's playstyle when they're wolf or town tbh, is that they react a bit more strongly when interrogated by people. they didn't have the same reactions with a seanzie push because they were comfortable---because seanzie is town.

compare that to my push, i get "tfw you are tunneled by the only person you signed up to play with" which yea, made me back off. after all, dya has teammates and i enjoy playing with them. the one game were dya and i were t/t we found each other---every other time dya nulls me when they're wolf and i'm town because i can't give them an easy town read either. because they are being timid and conservative and keeping the poe open. pushing for falcon, then including wilgy---the coasters and low posters or mia'ers. i just don't at all buy the genuininty of that.

again, really wish we could yeet dya today, because i'm way more comfortable there, but i feel seanize has kinda outed himself today as well.

[dunya]

i think seanzie really bit the bullet today for a wolf win. he could have pushed me, but it was a bit hasty to go after marmot.

im still angry we didn't get dya today, but the fact im 100% sure marmot is town here points to being 100% sure seanzie is wolf.

one thing i note about dya's playstyle when they're wolf or town tbh, is that they react a bit more strongly when interrogated by people. they didn't have the same reactions with a seanzie push because they were comfortable---because seanzie is town.

compare that to my push, i get "tfw you are tunneled by the only person you signed up to play with" which yea, made me back off. after all, dya has teammates and i enjoy playing with them. the one game were dya and i were t/t we found each other---every other time dya nulls me when they're wolf and i'm town because i can't give them an easy town read either. because they are being timid and conservative and keeping the poe open. pushing for falcon, then including wilgy---the coasters and low posters or mia'ers. i just don't at all buy the genuininty of that.

again, really wish we could yeet dya today, because i'm way more comfortable there, but i feel seanize has kinda outed himself today as well.

hahaha

because seanize is wolf

[dunya]

im flabbergasted by seanzie's wolf play today tbh. can't wrap my head around it beyond dya and falcon have PRs and nook is allowing the wolf team to control falcon's PR and seanize is goon.

[dunya]

@Marmot why am i town to you? as town, you've historically struggled to assign me as a town read. what's changed or what did i do wrong here? :P

[dunya]

Like, I'm sitting here, playing on two devices with one continually having "no vote" selected and my mouse on "submit vote" in case a wagon forms on Marmot, I can unvote instantly, because while I think he is scum, I'm not about to put that much faith into my own reads to not be wary about what is going on. Marmot's "vote Seanzie, I'm going to sleep" is BS. He has a reasonably good read on me, and so he should know I'm town, or at least think I might be, so him hard-committing to me being wolf is bad. Him planting on me is bad. Marmot is bad.

sorry, i don't buy this lol. seems very robotic.

[dunya]

(PS. I think sean is *probably* always town for the comment about sitting ready on 2 devices with the finger on the unvote button)

no.

[dunya]

alison, HK - dead mafia

doesn't this mean there's potentially 4 mafia alive????? i dunno why i have a pool of three as the poe.

how was this game balanced again with so many VTs lol (hate me nanook)

[dunya]

kinda pissed off (at no one ftr, just at the game) sabi didn't find harder for survival last phase tbh would have made a whole difference we if had gotten dya yesterday and sabi was still alive. after jack flipped town, dya was guaranteed wolf.

[Shending_Help]

I should've just snap voted dya fml... What is this gamestate...

[Seanzie]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

Pretty sure the only time we've actually played together I tunneled you when everyone else thought you were town. Why is this game different?

[Shending_Help]

alison, HK - dead mafia

doesn't this mean there's potentially 4 mafia alive????? i dunno why i have a pool of three as the poe.

how was this game balanced again with so many VTs lol (hate me nanook)

Apparently it's confirmed we lose if we misyeet today. I don't think it was super clearly stated, but nook said F9, which he didnt do the previous days

Which means there should be 4 maf alive confirmed (and not potentially)

[Seanzie]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

Pretty sure the only time we've actually played together I tunneled you when everyone else thought you were town. Why is this game different?

[Shending_Help]

Can we just all i unvote and kill Dya today? Please?

[Shending_Help]

Oh Sean already unvoted

@Marmot can u unvote and I'll vote dya

[Seanzie]

I'm still pretty sure youre both town. Since probably falcon is an Afk wolf the wolves wouldn't have the power to hammer yet.

If I'm wrong on one of them it'd probably be Marmot over Sean at this point, but I still think they're both town. And crossing in lylo is a normal reaction sean, it's not outing however much you want to confbias you being right on this.

Just like your argument of "he should know I'm town here" I'm sure Marmot feels the exact same, especially with his post about not having won as a wolf in a long time.

Can we just all unvote and make a reasonable yeet instead before it's too late?

(PS. I think sean is *probably* always town for the comment about sitting ready on 2 devices with the finger on the unvote button)

Most games on TS don't have locked elo votes so hrd elo crosses are not actually common here. Either way, it isn't the fact that Marmot crossed, it is the fact that he crossed and "went to bed". I don't see that coming from town.

[dunya]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

[dunya]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

Pretty sure the only time we've actually played together I tunneled you when everyone else thought you were town. Why is this game different?

are you consciously trying to mimic your town game?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

Your thoughts on me were wolfy.

[Seanzie]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

Pretty sure the only time we've actually played together I tunneled you when everyone else thought you were town. Why is this game different?

are you consciously trying to mimic your town game?

Are you trying to protect Marmot?

[Shending_Help]

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

[dunya]

there's no way seanzie gets marmot this wrong, he was begging for a misyeet to win the game. there's no way seanzie as town doesn't vote dya today.

the fact he went and quickly voted marmot is telling in itself.


there's no way marmot is wolf. i will bank on that.

Pretty sure the only time we've actually played together I tunneled you when everyone else thought you were town. Why is this game different?

are you consciously trying to mimic your town game?

Are you trying to protect Marmot?

people who answer a question with another question are more likely trying to lie.

[dunya]

oh wait we both did it. gosh dang it.