I liked that I reeled back in my read yesterday and kept my head on a swivel tbh. Understanding wilgy's wolf equity by demeanor compared to thread state is a good catch if wolf.
Probably should wait to investigate nook and dizzy.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:45 pm
I am not voting anyone just mulling things over.
I liked that I reeled back in my read yesterday and kept my head on a swivel tbh. Understanding wilgy's wolf equity by demeanor compared to thread state is a good catch if wolf.
Probably should wait to investigate nook and dizzy.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:45 pm
I am not voting anyone just mulling things over.
I liked that I reeled back in my read yesterday and kept my head on a swivel tbh. Understanding wilgy's wolf equity by demeanor compared to thread state is a good catch if wolf.
Probably should wait to investigate nook and dizzy.
lol you're the cop now?
I usually enjoy being vanilla the most but today it is a touch inconvenient lol
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm
I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop
I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on
Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here
In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
I think I can probably clear Dizzy off this post alone.
Yeah... like on the one hand pulling up porscha's posts to defend her from me in isolation felt bad but this post is just like 'fuck it I am deep wolfing everyone is getting bussed"
Which is mote possible than almost every other slot other than wilgy but also a huge fucking stretch. Game keeps feeling really solved lol
I feel like Mac was once in my sphere of influence, so I'm trying to annex him with an easy town read like the United States with Taiwan. I will also support him in his conflict with Seanzie.
He's in conflict with Seanzie? Must have missed that, I just saw some preflip association concerning Nanook and axe, but I guess it was a good fit in your sentence.
And he might be avoiding Rondo.
Feels a lot like Rondo/Mac are v/w and they signed an armistice for today tbh.
What makes you feel that way?
The reluctant townreading of Rondo from MacDougall after claiming to want to p-lynch him.
Rondo appearing like he's holding back.
Two pillars working for different goals, almost barely tolerating each other.
This day might come down to which pillar to pick.
Pillar? I am not a pillar. I am talkative sure. I am not going to be voting Mac unless he hard slips and its unlikely. What am I holding back?
Hm hm hm. Let's talk nook victory path. 12 alive. Can't account for doc so I will just assume one of my town reads is doc.
Rip achro
11
Bye Mac
10
I point to Dizzy today because I am dumb and nook totes honors my legacy
9
Rip vivax
8
Nook continues to hard shield wilgy, finishes his poe at Flanders lynch
7
Rip rondo
Leaves
Ender
Lucy
Sabi
Nook
Wilgy
Seanzie
He stops shielding wilgy. 5. Kill...seanzie I suppose. 4. No lynch. Kill ender.
Sabi lucy nook with my first thought today was 'if lucy is f3 good tinfoil'
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:06 am
Hm hm hm. Let's talk nook victory path. 12 alive. Can't account for doc so I will just assume one of my town reads is doc.
Rip achro
11
Bye Mac
10
I point to Dizzy today because I am dumb and nook totes honors my legacy
9
Rip vivax
8
Nook continues to hard shield wilgy, finishes his poe at Flanders lynch
7
Rip rondo
Leaves
Ender
Lucy
Sabi
Nook
Wilgy
Seanzie
He stops shielding wilgy. 5. Kill...seanzie I suppose. 4. No lynch. Kill ender.
Sabi lucy nook with my first thought today was 'if lucy is f3 good tinfoil'
I am scum nook. I don't want to vote porscha but I can't be seen as being too in favor of her. I vote her but suggest it's just a place holder. I hope the town eats itself. When presented an opportunity I try to vote out town achro by sheeping dizzy who has clearly been in a tunnel way too long. It doesn't hurt my thread presence at all to try this achro is in my poe.
Achro pointed out based on everyone's views porscha is probably going over. Even if something strange happens to send ender over porscha is always the lynch the next day for being a counter wagon to a hotly contested town mislynch. Voting ender puts my thread position in serious jeopardy. Bussing secures it but is painful.
Hmm.
Any good player would do this calculus. Dizzy wouldn't let her vote be where it was.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm
But yeah I'm not too worried rn, between Mac ender dizzy axe wilgy there's probably enough juice that I don't really have to worry about thread presence for awhile
I lowkey think if the time comes that I need to I can probably get achro to find me if we're on at the same time, less sure about that one
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
I am scum nook. One partner has slipped and both Mac and achro noticed. One is useless. This is pain. Everything is pain. What are my options? Actively defend Tommy? No. I have to bus this position and hope town overthinks it. Be early, be strong, leave my options open but optics matter. I don't know the town setup but there could be a town vigilante. I can't give them any reason to come after me.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:30 am
I am scum nook. One partner has slipped and both Mac and achro noticed. One is useless. This is pain. Everything is pain. What are my options? Actively defend Tommy? No. I have to bus this position and hope town overthinks it. Be early, be strong, leave my options open but optics matter. I don't know the town setup but there could be a town vigilante. I can't give them any reason to come after me.
Hmm. Wonder how this plays on the d1 iso
You can confirmation bias yourself into reading Nook as a wolf on ISO, but he never kills Axe because taking Axe as deep as possible is part of his wincon. Not even wifom worlds. That isn't how Nanook plays mafia.
Also Nanook's general wolf operating model is to aggressively pro wolf. He wouldn't lazy bus usually. He would have just pushed Wilgy or something and probably got enough town to sheep him to protect Tommy.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
No, you are thinking of this wrong because you do not have the experience with the players to overrule me on this dude.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
The fact that it points to me is just a bonus to get his victory path started.
An exact poe of me dizzy Flanders with a shield of wilgy is an.. interesting choice.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
No, you are thinking of this wrong because you do not have the experience with the players to overrule me on this dude.
With respect, I know that you are convinced of killing town today and you do not yet know that. Meta only takes you so far.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
The fact that it points to me is just a bonus to get his victory path started.
An exact poe of me dizzy Flanders with a shield of wilgy is an.. interesting choice.
You don't understand, after those first two days, Axe is essentially a second vote for Nanook and Axe will never turn on him. I have played with these two maybe 20 times and I have never even seen Axe vote Nanook. He is part of Nanook's wincon.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
The fact that it points to me is just a bonus to get his victory path started.
An exact poe of me dizzy Flanders with a shield of wilgy is an.. interesting choice.
You don't understand, after those first two days, Axe is essentially a second vote for Nanook and Axe will never turn on him. I have played with these two maybe 20 times and I have never even seen Axe vote Nanook. He is part of Nanook's wincon.
If this is 100% accurate then game is probably boring and nanook's shield of wilgy is wrong.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am
Actually the axe kill never comes from nanook tbh... like nanook specifically never ever kills axe in that spot. Nanook is the last person in this game that Axe would ever get to. He is a liability in favour of Nanook in being alive. It's too -ev for Nanook to even be wifom.
You are thinking of this wrong. Scum nanook needs the correct final 3 or final 5. Someone like NAA is long dead before then.
No, you are thinking of this wrong because you do not have the experience with the players to overrule me on this dude.
With respect, I know that you are convinced of killing town today and you do not yet know that. Meta only takes you so far.
With respect, you have no idea where I'm going to end up.
With respect, you have no meta on these players and you have a townread on me so you with respect should take what I am saying to heart.
With respect, I am talking to you as though you're town and offering you help with your solve right now so flagging that my opinion is irrelevant because of my read on you is asinine.
I am sure that somewhere along the road there's evidence to the contrary but I can assure you that a solo Nanook killing Axe given the gamestate and their meta makes no sense. Axe would be tunneling you today, and Nanook would be very safely townread by him. Literally any other kill makes more sense.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:36 am
Here's a question for you Mac.
Of the people currently alive not me how many would you lynch before nook given the naa night kill?
Everyone. The night kill being on axe is more clearing than anything else in the game. Nook was already my top town anyway but with that as an added factor I lose to him at this point.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:36 am
Here's a question for you Mac.
Of the people currently alive not me how many would you lynch before nook given the naa night kill?
Everyone. The night kill being on axe is more clearing than anything else in the game. Nook was already my top town anyway but with that as an added factor I lose to him at this point.
I would kindly ask that we create a scenario where we lose to no one.
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:36 am
Here's a question for you Mac.
Of the people currently alive not me how many would you lynch before nook given the naa night kill?
Everyone. The night kill being on axe is more clearing than anything else in the game. Nook was already my top town anyway but with that as an added factor I lose to him at this point.
I would kindly ask that we create a scenario where we lose to no one.
To coin a phrase from Axe. This is such a mickey mouse point.
I believe getting this reaction out of everyone is more valuable than having a double voter. All I am asking is that you consider that. You are right, I don't have experience here. I don't. That's valid and you are correct. What I do have is a vast wealth of experience deep wolfing. I have come back from down 11 v 1 before. I promise I am not trying to invalidate your read, I promise, but there is a value at times to having an outside perspective. You don't have to listen to me, I just see everyone else's games as less wolfy.
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