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[Seanzie]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

I'm convinced. Let's yeet Rondo into outer space.

[MacDougall]

Easy solve. If there is anyone else in the game that is a PR of any persuasion, not just doctor. Except for a vig. Then Rondo is fake. I don't think we have a vig. So we will be in column a probably. Where Rondo is either real or the person with the PR hasn't really been thinking about the matrix (like I did until right now lol).

[MacDougall]

Come to think of it... Axe is a Rondo kill. Cuz Rondo is scared of him. Cuz he just policy kills Rondo at a certain point unpredictably.

I'm getting fixated lol.

[MacDougall]

I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

[Seanzie]

I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

Is the "right thing" telling you that you're tinfoiling an extremely low-probability event that even if it is occurring, is almost assuredly self-resolving (Rondo would have to somehow take the town PR to F3 without them claiming at any point in order to win), and can be pretty much resolved just by gathering claims and telling town to stop doing silly FPS if they are doing silly FPS? (btw I'm VT idk if I actually ever claimed before this).

[Seanzie]

I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

Is the "thing that needs to be done" telling you that you're tinfoiling an extremely low-probability event that even if it is occurring, is almost assuredly self-resolving (Rondo would have to somehow take the town PR to F3 without them claiming at any point in order to win), and can be pretty much resolved just by gathering claims and telling town to stop doing silly FPS if they are doing silly FPS? (btw I'm VT idk if I actually ever claimed before this).

EBWOP

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

If there is a role blocker you would have at least 2 town roles claimed or flipped at some point. Good thinking though

[EnderWiggin]

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

The only account of mine on MU is bladescape (other than hydras)

[EnderWiggin]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

If there is a role blocker you would have at least 2 town roles claimed or flipped at some point. Good thinking though

Could have just 1 watcher

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I need to reread the game at some point but I've felt shit today.

[Seanzie]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

If there is a role blocker you would have at least 2 town roles claimed or flipped at some point. Good thinking though

Could have just 1 watcher

[RondoDimBuckle]

Come to think of it... Axe is a Rondo kill. Cuz Rondo is scared of him. Cuz he just policy kills Rondo at a certain point unpredictably.

I'm getting fixated lol.

In 0 worlds am I scared of Axe. If I was killing him for that It wouldnt be night 2 when there are plenty of other townier read people even with a doc dodge in mind (though in this world where I am role blocker there is no doc?) so I would just slam kill you or Achro or Lucy. Axe is good player but he doesnt policy me afaik

[EnderWiggin]

Meh I don't think Dizzy as a wolf decides to make bussing both their partners their day 1 agenda when at least Porscha was in a decent spot at the time

Man, almost like I have said this already.

You think Vulg is it or where does the snark come from?

Snark comes from me saying things repeatedly and then Vul coming in like it's new info.

But I guess unwarranted given Vul is literally a sub in and maybe I should curb my snark.

[Vivax]

Wanted to find the posts Rondo asked for then read a bit more of Ender.
I guess I'm back to null on them.

Almost every second player in here is a policy elim to me. Must be the WSOP lobby or something.
But his third vote on Vulgard bugs me a bit. He only has to read the last few pages to find a few quotes I've pulled out.
On the other hand the reckless laziness is often townie.

[Seanzie]

Wanted to find the posts Rondo asked for then read a bit more of Ender.
I guess I'm back to null on them.

Almost every second player in here is a policy elim to me. Must be the WSOP lobby or something.
But his third vote on Vulgard bugs me a bit. He only has to read the last few pages to find a few quotes I've pulled out.
On the other hand the reckless laziness is often townie.

Who do you see as policy? Can you give a full breakdown of the player list based on where they are for you?

[Vulgard]

Not gonna lie the sight of my entire PoE sitting on my wagon is deeply amusing to me but two of these people are town which is unfortunate

[Vulgard]

We are all OMGUSers at heart aren't we

[Seanzie]

We have a while still, but if it was close to EoD, I'd definitely move to Ender here over Vulgard.

[robyn]

yeah I'm getting off, mad at myself for not seeing

not seeing what?

the cliff I walked off

[robyn]

@lucy I wouldn't say I really have clears. I did say that I did yesterday when I was a bit bullish but I'm less so now and I have also absorbed all of Achro's WIM so.

Yeah I don't really feel comfortable calling anyone strong town right now.

kinky

[robyn]

he’d never say that as scum, 100% unintentional clearing

@lucy Do you still believe Rondo wouldn't accuse Dizzy of bussing Tommy on day 1 if he was Tommy's partner and had TMI on Dizzy being town? I assume that's what the post was referring to based on context

no idea, I referred to something else

[Seanzie]

yeah I'm getting off, mad at myself for not seeing

not seeing what?

the cliff I walked off

Describe said cliff in detail, please.

[robyn]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

I considered Mac pure town by probability a sweet deduction and ran with the assumption as true with no doubts, that led me to tmi with the worldview I had (because I considered no other worldviews besides the one where Mac got doc saved n1, which is illogical for anyone to doubt imo, but apparently not) and Mac called me doc and nanook thought I was doctor for that tmi. but because I am neither doc or scum it's a very strange perspective for others to have and thus it was a tmi, where logically only scum and doc would hold that perspective with the confidence I had

but it wasn't and I just trust my deductions and will ironically be hanged for a pretty nice deduction, I can't really oppose it either cause this is the truth and the only defense which is unfortunately not good until people understand me better

I'm very cognizant as town and that didn't help either

[robyn]

yeah I'm getting off, mad at myself for not seeing

not seeing what?

the cliff I walked off

Describe said cliff in detail, please.

just did

[robyn]

yah I can't even find the original slip/sin and cba to

[robyn]

I haven't slept in 2 days tbh

[robyn]

I don't feel tired either

[robyn]

and no caffeine

[robyn]

I'll get hanged today in every scenario, it's arguably suboptimal play to not hang me today because I'd always have questions and should never be allowed to live in Lylo

[Vulgard]

I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well

[robyn]

I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well

did you read every message in this game?

[Vulgard]

I will say that I think Nanook has been trying to position himself while Ender really hasn't from what I've gathered, in fact he hasn't done much of anything really
The not doing much of anything could be a scum indicator itself though I guess

[Vulgard]

Meh the more I think about it the more I realize I truly don't care
JI would like the three people voting me at this point (Vivax, Nanook, Ender) to actually explain why they're voting me other than OMGUS for being put in my PoE because I feel like you should all have better suspects

[Vulgard]

I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well

did you read every message in this game?

I read 30 pages which included all of day 1 and early day 2
It's not exactly ideal but considering the fact I replaced in day 3 without having read anything prior I'd say I'm doing enough

[robyn]

I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well

did you read every message in this game?

I read 30 pages which included all of day 1 and early day 2
It's not exactly ideal but considering the fact I replaced in day 3 without having read anything prior I'd say I'm doing enough

I was about to call you the perfect sub, now you're just a fun sub

[robyn]

and you didn't even get to the best sexting imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh the more I think about it the more I realize I truly don't care
JI would like the three people voting me at this point (Vivax, Nanook, Ender) to actually explain why they're voting me other than OMGUS for being put in my PoE because I feel like you should all have better suspects

I've had your slot as poe since before you were in the game, lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

My poe is currently vulgard, Lucy, [figure it out if necessary]

I haven't stated as such but im actually removing dizzy from my poe, I think their doc read on me made sense and was probably real

[robyn]

ya I have 0 solving wim

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also the NKs high key clear me lol, no way solo mafia nanook kills vt axe and vt Sabi

[robyn]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

I considered Mac pure town by probability a sweet deduction and ran with the assumption as true with no doubts, that led me to tmi with the worldview I had (because I considered no other worldviews besides the one where Mac got doc saved n1, which is illogical for anyone to doubt imo, but apparently not) and Mac called me doc and nanook thought I was doctor for that tmi. but because I am neither doc or scum it's a very strange perspective for others to have and thus it was a tmi, where logically only scum and doc would hold that perspective with the confidence I had

but it wasn't and I just trust my deductions and will ironically be hanged for a pretty nice deduction, I can't really oppose it either cause this is the truth and the only defense which is unfortunately not good until people understand me better

I'm very cognizant as town and that didn't help either

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you buy it? if not, why?

[robyn]

Also the NKs high key clear me lol, no way solo mafia nanook kills vt axe and vt Sabi

same, I kill real doc in every scenario imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ya I have 0 solving wim

Tbf I've made and seen things that looked like they had to be slips but came from town fairly often

I just...don't have much reason to not poe you without you being the doc lol

Honestly i should have just shoved the doc claim on you yesterday, to get you NKed or cleared, wasn't sure whether to in the moment or not cause I thought there was a good chance you actually were the doc, but in hindsight it was a misplay I think

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also the NKs high key clear me lol, no way solo mafia nanook kills vt axe and vt Sabi

same, I kill real doc in every scenario imo

Idk if I would've gotten to rondo or not, but I definitely wouldn't have killed those two lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

I considered Mac pure town by probability a sweet deduction and ran with the assumption as true with no doubts, that led me to tmi with the worldview I had (because I considered no other worldviews besides the one where Mac got doc saved n1, which is illogical for anyone to doubt imo, but apparently not) and Mac called me doc and nanook thought I was doctor for that tmi. but because I am neither doc or scum it's a very strange perspective for others to have and thus it was a tmi, where logically only scum and doc would hold that perspective with the confidence I had

but it wasn't and I just trust my deductions and will ironically be hanged for a pretty nice deduction, I can't really oppose it either cause this is the truth and the only defense which is unfortunately not good until people understand me better

I'm very cognizant as town and that didn't help either

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you buy it? if not, why?

I buy it's possible

Its just really hard to take you out of the poe, but obviously you're not my preferred kill either

[robyn]

ya I have 0 solving wim

Tbf I've made and seen things that looked like they had to be slips but came from town fairly often

I just...don't have much reason to not poe you without you being the doc lol

Honestly i should have just shoved the doc claim on you yesterday, to get you NKed or cleared, wasn't sure whether to in the moment or not cause I thought there was a good chance you actually were the doc, but in hindsight it was a misplay I think

no, it's my fault for putting myself in this situation without realizing what was happening, not yours

[robyn]

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

I considered Mac pure town by probability a sweet deduction and ran with the assumption as true with no doubts, that led me to tmi with the worldview I had (because I considered no other worldviews besides the one where Mac got doc saved n1, which is illogical for anyone to doubt imo, but apparently not) and Mac called me doc and nanook thought I was doctor for that tmi. but because I am neither doc or scum it's a very strange perspective for others to have and thus it was a tmi, where logically only scum and doc would hold that perspective with the confidence I had

but it wasn't and I just trust my deductions and will ironically be hanged for a pretty nice deduction, I can't really oppose it either cause this is the truth and the only defense which is unfortunately not good until people understand me better

I'm very cognizant as town and that didn't help either

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you buy it? if not, why?

I buy it's possible

Its just really hard to take you out of the poe, but obviously you're not my preferred kill either

tbh I reread this thread and might not get lynched, Mac is the judge jury and executioner for me at the moment, since if he doesn't push me I 100% live

this is where I spent a minute or two thinking of a game solving question but nothing came to me, so basically ask me stuff lol

[robyn]

wait I have a read on seanzie

[robyn]

but will nanook style it

[robyn]

very unhealthy gamestate, achro was a terrible Lynch