Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[DharmaHelper]

Antispew is stopping to post when it looks like you're going to the block.
Your question wasn't dodged. I didn't work with the assumption that mafia can pocket another mafia like you did. I think you're the first I saw do that.

If you're asking if I think Eloh went into damage control, yes. Do I think thats bad? I don't think its super good.

[DharmaHelper]

Golden - 53 posts

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First read after some jokey/fluff posts is that Sig is town. No explanation.

Splints town read again, no explanation.

Chimes in RE: Eloh Here saying its "a lot of noise" but that he's getting "slight mafia reads" from Eloh's vote/unvote on Sig. Attributes the unvote to Sig being "townread" and not "Eloh obviously misread the rules/roles and based a suspicion on that." Doesn't think that Eloh's misreading the roles/rules is AI.

Here Offers a defense of an inactive DF by way of "meta reads".

Here offers a town read of Llama, this time at least quoting something llama said to back it up.

Here A bit pinged by bea's nervousness.

Criticizes NotAnAxhole for keeping their reads to themself.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966115#p966115] Scum Reads Vivax

Votes Eloh based on "so many little pings" and tying herself up in faulty logic.

Disagrees with G-Man's mechanics-based approach.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966215#p966215]Has an interesting exchange with Quin RE: NotAnAxhole

Which then leads to A Scum Read of Quin

Updates his Vivax read to town Here

Overall Read - He's definitely engaged in the game, asking the right questions, etc. Not going to vote here.

Kate - 2 Posts
Nothing worth looking into

Llama - 25 Posts

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Town Read of Scotty

Puts some heat on NotAnAxhole for the Bea vote

Notices that NAA voted Scotty and not Bea, still doesn't trust them.

Explains his Town Read of Scotty here

Criticizes NAA for throwing out a vote recklessly Before Throwing out a vote recklessly

Finds the sig suspicion "too easy

Agrees with Golden that Splints is Town

Gets the willies From Eloh, wants to hear more from Quin.

Thinks the mafia is laying low Points out Kate, Lorab, Bea. Notably, does not point out DF.

Says he "didn't noticeWhen pressed Also doesn't like the general dismissal of suspicion against NAA/vouching for NAA (which I agree with).

Rainbow list Not surprised by the ordering here.


Bea is mighty low and awful orange looking on the list above for the read to be "civ".

Overall Read - Some inconsistencies that I don't like. Finds the sig suspicion "too easy", but advocates that the mafia are low posters (a demographic that is very easy to get a lynch going on). I like the consistency with the NAA suspicion. Not reading as super town but nothing that gets my gears going quite yet.

LoRab - 4 Posts

Nothing worth digging into quite yet.

Michelle - 23 posts

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Some early "votes" for Vivax/DF.

Here doesn't think that the push for Sig has any solid reasoning.

Here Calls out llama for "sheeping blindly"


Townreads myself and Doc, Likes Scotty's questions, and Waffles on the Eloh issue.

Provides An updated vote count.

Stops waffling and votes Eloh

Agrees with Vivax That llama is town.

Overall Read - Nothing suspect here, really. I don't know Michelle so having nothing to go on, I don't think anything here is worth my vote.

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[juliets]

Good morning my old friends (and new!)!!

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Have fun! I'm so loving reading this game!

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Thanks, Juliets also helped me out

well now these buttons make sense

[DharmaHelper]

NotAnAxehole - 22 posts

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Starts off with some vague "I know who the baddies are stuff, then there's the bea/Scotty vote.

Calls out Eloh as bad

Then a bunch of "rolefishing" stuff.

Overall Read - I find the discourse around NAA more substantive than NAA's posts themselves. I don't feel comforted by the chorus of "Oh thats just how they play" because that shit is either

A) Baddies protecting a baddie
B) Baddies Protecting a civ

Quin - 29 posts

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Early reads Thinks Scotty/Eloh is "forced"/"distancing", NAA is a "zero faith townie, Bea train is "garbage". Asks llama to explain the rainbow list.

Calls this vote "No nonsense Which must be a joke.

Goes in on Eloh Here and starts in on the "Scotty/Eloh are teamed up and distacing" meat.

Ultimately decides Scotty looks way better if he ignores the entire basis of his looking into Scotty in the first place and that Eloh/Scotty are not worth a D1 Lynch. Okay.


Votes Eloh anyway

Overall Read - If he is bad then he and/or Scotty and/or Eloh have done some very impressive distancing D1.

Scotty - 48 posts

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Bea vote to start us off

Ridiculous reasoning for the Bea vote

Townreading Sig

Supports G-Mans adverb stuff

Jumps on the Eloh train quick

Disregards NAA

Votes for Eloh

Now that I'm into the Scotty re-reads, Eloh's assessment that Scotty was Silly Seems fair.

I've went over this before but When pressed as to his vote on Eloh, offers up some wishy-washy reasoning and hedges his bets a bit.

Offers some support of NAA

Likes Bea's Posts

More NAA Support

Overall Read - Nothing here to make me comfortable in a town read of Scotty. Plenty of pings. Not great.

[DharmaHelper]

Sig - 18 posts

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Agrees with Llama about low posters
Here Defends Eloh, calls out NAA for "fishing" for the masons. Gut reads me as bad since I'm "around and posting but not really contributing". Pinged by Scotty/Golden "defending" him RE: Eloh.

Hedges/Backtracks on the NAA stuff

Overall Read - Probably a civ.

Sloonei - 45 posts

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Agrees that Splints is town

Reads Vivax as mafia because "his posts are too safe"

Only did that because he was bored But is suspicious of the measured response.

Overall Read - Interested in what people who think I've not been contributing but have been posting much have to say about Sloonei. Other than that nothing I'd feel great about placing a vote on.

Vivax - 27 posts

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Takes suggestions RE: How to vote in the D0 poll
Agrees with the town reads on sig and Finds Eloh suspect.
Town Reads Doc and Llama. Comfortable with the vote on DF.
Thinks that people who withold info are generally suspect or role-conscious.
Points out that Golden is "slightly too complacent" and leans into Splints townread
Townreads on me and Llama
More reads and insights here. Suspicious of sig.
Votes LoRab for her "snippy pop in"

Overall Read - Obviously putting in effort and trying hard. Difficult to really nail down quite yet but IMO, lean town.

And thats everybody.

[DharmaHelper]

Based on what I've read I think my highest chances of voting for a baddie are (in rough order)

G-Man
NAA
Scotty
Quin
Eloh

[Scotty]

I see Elo is leading now

I’m rarely right on my D1 reads, so to have others backing me up makes my mind tingles crinkle. Time to see what others are seeing too

[Scotty]

I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

Why is opening with a quote suspicious?

It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

[Scotty]

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I voted Bea.

I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

I think this vote looks like more of a joke than anything else. I’ve seen more substance in a jiffy lube jingle

[Scotty]

Alright, I'm here! It may take me a bit to get back into the groove of things, not that I ever had a really good groove with mafia. But, looking forward to some old-time fun!

Eloh's first post has an excuse in it.

Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!

I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.

methinks the baker might be baking up some sugar-free excuses here

All the initial post told me is that Eloh didn't read the roles thoroughly before posting. What does Eloh having not reading the roles thoroughly tell you about her alignment? Hopefully this is a rhetorical question.

In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol

"yeet" and "yeeted" are not allowed in old school mafia games. Silly Scotty, yeets are for kids.

I think you mean Yeezys.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

I remember catching a scum Dana years ago on her first game back in ages (my first game with her, she was great). She used her time away as a crutch to excuse her inability to contribute and it just felt like she couldn't integrate herself into the thread. It could be the same thing here, but I'm happy to sit on it and let that idea progress.

And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

I get a stronger Scotty/Eloh team vibe reading Scotty's posts than the other way around. This makes me want to do a fluff count on Scotty's posts.

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Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

[I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say

I actually felt like your response was you "edging off me", so I'm confused by the question. It's like you thought, "Shoot, I really could be wrong here so I'm going to back off and say that my theory wasn't a slam dunk," after driving it hard for so many posts. You backing off is what made me question your civ status further. You may say I did the same thing with sig (flippity-flop), but really it wouldn't be true. I made a couple comments, in a tired state, about sig being sus right before going to bed. Then, when I woke up and saw comments about it, I reread the rules and roles, had a derp moment, and backed off. I really think you just need to let that go and let us move on.

I hate GTH questions and refuse to answer them.

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

Eloh thinks that her not reading the roles is NAI and Scotty should back off. She also thinks Scotty is bad for backing off. I want to come up with a cool metaphor like Scotty does but I can't so I'm just going to say this sounds like distancing.

EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

So Eloh thinks Scotty is town? Is that where we ended?

The reason i went to bed yesterday with my vote still on Elo wasn’t even really the retraction after the sig interaction. Her response and what I believe to be disingenuous way to describe my play so far, as well as the blatant OMGUS kept it there.

And yes, I think even mafia can not read all the roles before posting, but I’m not even harping on that now

[Scotty]

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I voted Bea.

I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

What is the substance?

Scotty has a problem with bea opening with a quote.

Is that why you think NAA voted her? He never expressly explained

[Scotty]

I said I was going to figure out how Eloh and Scotty read independent of eachother and I've just finished my Eloh read and all I can think about is Scotty.

[Scotty]

EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

I disagree.

If someone was a mafia or an indie role and they were in a Day 1 situation and it were early enough, starting the discussion on a civvie lynch would be most unfortunate.

Also there are more than one baddie teams so its possible for a baddie to land a genuine baddie suspect, which they'd prefer over being forced to advocate for a lynch they know will flip good.

Wait did I miss something?

[DharmaHelper]

Yeah you missed me misreading the "Triggered Events" as a team.

[Scotty]

Slight scum read: quin

I find it hard to buy that anyone can look at that Axe vote and genuinely think 'that's got substance'.

Agreed

[DrWilgy]

Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Why are you licking people?

Why aren't you?

[DrWilgy]

Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

I am now curious as to how I taste.

Like the sunlight refected off an apple skin!

[Sloonei]

Quin remains town. His Eloh/Scotty suspicion reads very genuine.

[DrWilgy]

Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Vagrant doctor, why for art hast thou lickest me? Dost thy tongue perceive me in a particular manner?

Hunger.

You taste like new car smell!

[Kate]

One of mine is months away from being an adult

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

2! It’s going so fast! Valerie is 4 and Jude is 1.

Mine are 15, almost 13, and 10! You don't have to tell me it goes by fast

[Kate]

I am also getting a slight case of the willies from Eloh. Nothing I can put my finger on, but I feel like her posts more resemble her baddie game so far. Maybe it’s the defensiveness.

I also want to hear more from Quin. I usually expect more from him, and so far he has almost exclusively posted jokes.

I really wish I remembered people's "games" better than I do.

Is there a rule about editing? Also, can someone for the love of god show me how to double quote. I never figured it out before and I still can't.

[Kate]

I"m not in love with this reasoning. She's always cheery tbh and what does starting off with a quote have to do with anything? Even for day one this seems to be an attempt to be funny but at the same time cast suspicion. For now, I"m "voting Scotty" but that is not a firm vote at all. I'm going to keep reading.

PS its Bee.

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

[Scotty]

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I

@Scotty The monsters suck the powers away from the human NBA stars, not the looney tunes.

🫠

Please forgive me, I haven’t seen the movie since 1977

[Scotty]

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

[Scotty]

Yeah you missed me misreading the "Triggered Events" as a team.

Mm, yeah. I think I’m caught up now

[Scotty]

I’m now caught up but want to insert some of my current reads while I eat this sandwich with my right hand and type agonizingly slowly with my left thumb:

Townreads:
-GMan
-bea
-sig

Townlean:
-Vivax
-Llama
-Michelle
-Wilgy
-NAA
-splints
-Rondo

Scumlean:
-Golden
-DH
-LoRab
-Quin

Scumread:
-Sloonei
-Elo

Post more:
-DFaraday
-Kate

GMan is my top townread. His presence in thread is enough and he offers his own reads. Primarily, however, my read is based on his initial pitch for players to post adverbs. He was the first to really push for it, and he himself brazenly used one in his first post. I think that shows towny mindset.

I’ve done a 189 on bea- her responses haven’t been defensive or hedgy. Plus if she’s fooling, she’ll be caught eventually if mafia. Probably

I’ve talked about sig, and he’s at the bottom of my townread, but still a Townread nonetheless.

My townleans are pretty similar in that nothing has pinged me as weird. They have a good presence in the thread and tone (because what else do we have on D1), and are at least putting themselves out there. I can go into more detail later I guess if anyone wants.

Vivax is almost a Townread because I think he’s held his own making reads on people he doesn’t know and is making some (I think) baldly wrong reads but messy is good. I’ve never played with him, so I’m cautiously guarded, but like his input so far.

My scumleans are more varied.

Golden is one step below Townlean. I haven’t agreed with most of his reads this game, which is actually not a bad thing, and his presence is contributory as opposed to inhibitive or even tunneling on one player. It’s pretty measured, and that is the reason I scumlean him. I can’t see the difference between mafia Golden and town mafia at the moment. I think his current play could fit either.

There’s something between Quin and DH. Whether or not it’s W/W or W/T is to be seen. I have this hunch that they’re not both town. Quin leading with this distancing case between me and Elo is pure flabbergastery- cart before the horse and all that. I do think he was right on the money with his comment regarding DH’s posting, however, by calling it a False Hydra. Sometimes I see DH’s through-line and other times I think he’s just poking a slug with a long, dull stick. His incorrect assumption that there were two mafia teams seems like a complete towntell but that is easily faked. I think of DH as someone that would be intimately involved with the role madness aspect of this game, and that’s a hard one to believe. But it does give me slight pause. I’m not sure I would immediately call either wolf yet, but I wouldn’t be against voting one of them today. Would prefer Quin of the two at the moment.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

My scumreads are currently Elo and Sloonei. I’ve talked about Elo, so let me get into sloonei.

Sloonei seems a bit guarded, or at least merely cordial, if that makes sense. His reads haven’t been lacking, but they’re just a bit bland. It’s like the doorman to a fancy hotel holding the door for me, asking how my day has been. I tersely answer “fine,” and then he asks if I watched the Yankees lose the other day; I laugh something non-committal about not being into sports (when in reality I’m all about baseball) as I try fruitlessly to edge towards the elevator. That’s what it is, it feels like small talk. It just feels to me that he’s just sort of…here.

[Kate]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

[Kate]

I see Elo is leading now

I’m rarely right on my D1 reads, so to have others backing me up makes my mind tingles crinkle. Time to see what others are seeing too

Here is the quote that should have been in my last post.

OH noozz my vote for Elo may make me look bad...let me distance myself...

[Scotty]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Nice to meet you and play with you!

I think healthy suspicion is healthy, but just want to amend your narrative- I was the conductor of the Elo train- I didn’t jump on.

What is with this distancing idea Quin and now you have?
Does that mean you also think Elo is suspicious?

[Kate]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Nice to meet you and play with you!

I think healthy suspicion is healthy, but just want to amend your narrative- I was the conductor of the Elo train- I didn’t jump on.

What is with this distancing idea Quin and now you have?
Does that mean you also think Elo is suspicious?

Hello new Friend!

It could just as easily be that you KNOW she is not bad, and are therefore backing off. Like I said, day one - don't have much of a read on Elo but her comment about marrying into intelligence did make me lol

[Scotty]

I see Elo is leading now

I’m rarely right on my D1 reads, so to have others backing me up makes my mind tingles crinkle. Time to see what others are seeing too

Here is the quote that should have been in my last post.

OH noozz my vote for Elo may make me look bad...let me distance myself...

I don’t care about looking bad. Bad PR is still good PR. Means the thread is moving.

Note that I haven’t moved my vote yet.

[Scotty]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Nice to meet you and play with you!

I think healthy suspicion is healthy, but just want to amend your narrative- I was the conductor of the Elo train- I didn’t jump on.

What is with this distancing idea Quin and now you have?
Does that mean you also think Elo is suspicious?

Hello new Friend!

It could just as easily be that you KNOW she is not bad, and are therefore backing off. Like I said, day one - don't have much of a read on Elo but her comment about marrying into intelligence did make me lol

But you have enough of a read on her to offer that I could be distancing from her.

[Scotty]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Sorry about the cold. It’s definitely that season. My wife got Covid this past week and it’s been super mild for her but I know it could have been so much worse

Quick question: did you read the whole thread and decide to just settle on me? This just feels like a lazy tunnel because it’s convenient based on a couple pages of back reading. And if it IS that, no judgment. But I’m getting the impression you did more than that

[NotAnAxehole]

My thoughts on the game are unchanged

[Kate]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Nice to meet you and play with you!

I think healthy suspicion is healthy, but just want to amend your narrative- I was the conductor of the Elo train- I didn’t jump on.

What is with this distancing idea Quin and now you have?
Does that mean you also think Elo is suspicious?

Hello new Friend!

It could just as easily be that you KNOW she is not bad, and are therefore backing off. Like I said, day one - don't have much of a read on Elo but her comment about marrying into intelligence did make me lol

But you have enough of a read on her to offer that I could be distancing from her.

Correct, because my gut feeling is about YOU, not her.

[Vivax]

Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Vagrant doctor, why for art hast thou lickest me? Dost thy tongue perceive me in a particular manner?

Hunger.

You taste like caramel!

I"m not in love with this seasoning.

[Kate]

I'm here and I'm reading, I have a bad cold...I'm typically not a quiet player at all, but I spent most of my day yesterday sleeping.

My gut is telling me to stick with Scotty for now. As I said earlier I feel like he threw the bea vote in there to maybe get a train going masked as a joke, but then backed up and jumped on the Elo train hard. So hard, she's now listed as "scum read." There is also a post where I feel like he may be distancing from her, maybe he knows she's civ, or maybe he knows she is bad. That's enough for a day 1 vote for me.

Sorry about the cold. It’s definitely that season. My wife got Covid this past week and it’s been super mild for her but I know it could have been so much worse

Quick question: did you read the whole thread and decide to just settle on me? This just feels like a lazy tunnel because it’s convenient based on a couple pages of back reading. And if it IS that, no judgment. But I’m getting the impression you did more than that

Well IMO convenient would be hopping on her and jumping on Elo. I have read and posted what I feel is my best impression of what is going on.

I will say, however, that I've never played with you before so have no idea of your style and that I like that you confronted me and didn't just blow me off in a one line post as someone who had not posted too much and then hoped I'd go away again lol

[LoRab]

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

[Scotty]

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

I’m not lambasting you for not offering more, i just found it odd that your one contribution was about something that I thought was fairly obviously a joke post. If you really didn’t think I was joking, I apologize- I got nothin’ for you, head back to camp.

Since that was in the middle of the thread, I know you at least were reading along. Got any other observations on the game state?

[bea]

First real day of work at my new old job. I will keep up with the thread as best as I can but also probs be quiet as this new project is a job and a half.

[Scotty]

My thoughts on the game are unchanged

Wait, why are you voting me again?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

My burger in Christ you truly must make this less funny.

[Scotty]

CURRENT VOTE TOTAL as of 6 hours until end of day:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin (3): Golden, Michelle, Quin
Scotty (2): Kate, NotAnAxeHole
Sloonei (2): fingersplints, sig
LoRab (2): Vivax, Scotty
Golden (1): DrWilgy
Michelle (1): thellama73

Not voting: bea, DFaraday, DharmaHelper, Elohcin, GMan, LoRab, Sloonei

for all you old timers, syndicate’s voting system was broken a few years back and you’ll have to painstakingly look through votes if you want to find the correct order of when someone voted someone. My ordering was not necessarily the correct order.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

My burger in Christ you truly must make this less funny.

[VOTE: BORAL] aubergine

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

My burger in Christ you truly must make this less funny.

So you disagree then?

[Scotty]

Everyone in spec chat: what the hell is Scotty doing?

[DharmaHelper]

I have no opinion,I just posted that because I was waiting to see who would jump off the Eloh wagon first.