Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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Elohcin wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:54 pm EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.
I disagree.

If someone was a mafia or an indie role and they were in a Day 1 situation and it were early enough, starting the discussion on a civvie lynch would be most unfortunate.

Also there are more than one baddie teams so its possible for a baddie to land a genuine baddie suspect, which they'd prefer over being forced to advocate for a lynch they know will flip good.
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Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:50 am Sike.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
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LoRab wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?
This pop-in tho :ponder:
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 am I have now posted in this game, that is all. You may continue
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:41 am
Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:16 am
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:45 am
Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm
Scotty wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
I voted Bea.
I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.
What is the substance?
Scotty has a problem with bea opening with a quote.
I see that about Scotty. It's not clear to me (especially given the rest of Aex's content) why Axe is voting for bea in this post. Plus, I'm pretty sure he didn't vote for bea. He just voted for Scotty.
:shrug: If he said he voted for her, all I can do is assume he voted for her. It reads to me like Axe read Scotty's post, liked the meat of it, and joined in. bea absolutely had a train going yesterday, because I looked at it and went "no" before continuing to do absolutely nothing about it.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:55 am
Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:50 am Sike.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
Your ISO is the mafia equivalent of a False Hydra.
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:56 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 am I have now posted in this game, that is all. You may continue
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:49 am
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:22 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:14 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:08 pm
Michelle wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.
Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.
I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.
Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.
What screws?
@Vivax i do actually want an answer to this.
It means pressuring someone. Since it's meta for DF to not post, that argument doesn't carry its old weight.
Sorry, didn't explain myself well. I understand the expression, what I was getting at is... what are the screws that I'm not concerned with putting in?

Does pressure come on DF is people point out he isn't posting?
Do you think that pressure likely to help create a read?
Did it seem to you like fingersplints was 'putting the screws' on DF by pointing out llama forgot him from a list?
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Hey I didn't even notice Wilgy voted me. Thanks for the point out @Vivax lol
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:00 am
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:56 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 am I have now posted in this game, that is all. You may continue
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Ill do you one better. Where are you?
I guess what I'm asking is did you sub in to the game, since you are not posting as a n-p.
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:59 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:55 am
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[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
Your ISO is the mafia equivalent of a False Hydra.
Speaking of posting and then saying nothing.
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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Scotty wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:27 pm That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.
Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:38 pm
thellama73 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:22 pm I will also state for the record that I don't buy the suspicion on Sig. Feels too easy.
Sig is known miselimination fodder.

It is known, Khaleesi.

Though I’m seeing more support for sig as town than suspicion at this current juncture..
Bit too much whiteknighting on sig from Scottys part for my taste. I don't like that the initial argument became a secondary one in his reply to Llama. Scotty may be a bit too eager to parade the start of day role shenannies around that he based his sig townread on.
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:07 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:00 am
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:56 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 am I have now posted in this game, that is all. You may continue
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Ill do you one better. Where are you?
I guess what I'm asking is did you sub in to the game, since you are not posting as a n-p.
Oh no I am not in the game, I just dont know how to change my colour to green or whatever
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How or why would someone genuinely read through both the Scotty discourse and the Eloh discourse and come away thinking I've been "posting but not saying anything" :ponder:
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Slight scum read: quin

I find it hard to buy that anyone can look at that Axe vote and genuinely think 'that's got substance'.
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:01 am
Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:49 am
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:22 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:14 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:08 pm
Michelle wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm
Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.
I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.
Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.
What screws?
@Vivax i do actually want an answer to this.
It means pressuring someone. Since it's meta for DF to not post, that argument doesn't carry its old weight.
Sorry, didn't explain myself well. I understand the expression, what I was getting at is... what are the screws that I'm not concerned with putting in?

Does pressure come on DF is people point out he isn't posting?
Do you think that pressure likely to help create a read?
Did it seem to you like fingersplints was 'putting the screws' on DF by pointing out llama forgot him from a list?
I think voting mafia creates pressure for mafia to post, yes. Even just talking about them. Michelle was a vote on DF at the time. Getting a triple vote could be an incentive ? Hard to say in hindsight, which is why this doesn't feel productive.
FP pointing out the absence from a list is a good catch, but I was rather suggesting that it's a catch that could suggest a FP/DF pairing later in the game (you'd be more aware of a teammate skirting by).
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am How or why would someone genuinely read through both the Scotty discourse and the Eloh discourse and come away thinking I've been "posting but not saying anything" :ponder:
It's almost too easy.
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[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
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good luck players, idk how u deal with no flips
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Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am How or why would someone genuinely read through both the Scotty discourse and the Eloh discourse and come away thinking I've been "posting but not saying anything" :ponder:
It's almost too easy.
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[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
So are you admitting to not having read my posts? Because I could pretty successfully argue there would be significantly less Eloh or Scotty discourse for you to have pretended to read through had it not been for me.
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:15 am
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:01 am
Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:49 am
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:22 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Vivax wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:14 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:08 pm

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.
Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.
What screws?
@Vivax i do actually want an answer to this.
It means pressuring someone. Since it's meta for DF to not post, that argument doesn't carry its old weight.
Sorry, didn't explain myself well. I understand the expression, what I was getting at is... what are the screws that I'm not concerned with putting in?

Does pressure come on DF is people point out he isn't posting?
Do you think that pressure likely to help create a read?
Did it seem to you like fingersplints was 'putting the screws' on DF by pointing out llama forgot him from a list?
I think voting mafia creates pressure for mafia to post, yes. Even just talking about them. Michelle was a vote on DF at the time. Getting a triple vote could be an incentive ? Hard to say in hindsight, which is why this doesn't feel productive.
FP pointing out the absence from a list is a good catch, but I was rather suggesting that it's a catch that could suggest a FP/DF pairing later in the game (you'd be more aware of a teammate skirting by).
OK.

This isn't unfair from someone who doesn't know DF. I will say that from my perspective 'putting the screws' into DF is unproductive in that it funnels his posts into frustratedness that he is getting called out for low posting again, and not into stuff that is actually alignment indicative.

I have no issue sticking the screws in to low posters as a concept, and I wouldn't scum-read anyone because they put screws into DF. There's value in meta-reads of players that haven't played in a while, though.
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am Slight scum read: quin

I find it hard to buy that anyone can look at that Axe vote and genuinely think 'that's got substance'.
Go through the first two pages, up until Axe's post, and tell me just how much substance there is in the thread.
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lucy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:18 am good luck players, idk how u deal with no flips
It's fun, you should try it some time.

(But also, in role madness, no flips isn't necessarily the same thing as no information about the dead person's role.)
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[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
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Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:19 am
Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am Slight scum read: quin

I find it hard to buy that anyone can look at that Axe vote and genuinely think 'that's got substance'.
Go through the first two pages, up until Axe's post, and tell me just how much substance there is in the thread.
Einstein's grand theory of substance relativity!

I mean I'll pass but I'm sure there isn't a lot. People were checking in etc.

But I've said my piece and I'm trying to avoid getting into those Golden-on-the-hamster-wheel exchanges so, I'll just say that I remain unconvinced that the read on Axe is genuine, and leave it there.
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New read

slight town: Vivax

My first proper read on someone I don't know. I'm interested in meta reads.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:18 am
Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am How or why would someone genuinely read through both the Scotty discourse and the Eloh discourse and come away thinking I've been "posting but not saying anything" :ponder:
It's almost too easy.
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:55 am
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[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
So are you admitting to not having read my posts? Because I could pretty successfully argue there would be significantly less Eloh or Scotty discourse for you to have pretended to read through had it not been for me.
I have, but you're right. I agree with you that Scotty so feebly coming off of his Eloh suspicion is a bad look. I did you dirty brushing the posts off because I decided to myself "I'm done talking about them for today".

Where do I go from here?
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:28 am New read

slight town: Vivax

My first proper read on someone I don't know. I'm interested in meta reads.
Same read. Everyone here has a history with each other besides Vivax and maybe Axe. Vivax has just been all in.
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Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:31 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:18 am
Quin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 am How or why would someone genuinely read through both the Scotty discourse and the Eloh discourse and come away thinking I've been "posting but not saying anything" :ponder:
It's almost too easy.
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:55 am
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[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.
Then you've not read my posts.
So are you admitting to not having read my posts? Because I could pretty successfully argue there would be significantly less Eloh or Scotty discourse for you to have pretended to read through had it not been for me.
I have, but you're right. I agree with you that Scotty so feebly coming off of his Eloh suspicion is a bad look. I did you dirty brushing the posts off because I decided to myself "I'm done talking about them for today".

Where do I go from here?
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@DharmaHelper got any reads?
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Golden wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:55 am @DharmaHelper got any reads?
Working on them right now actually.
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[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

I've talked about her and Scotty all day and I'm too tired to go picking around for more options. I'm open to anyone who wants to do the legwork for me.
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It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts
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After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.
DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts
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Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.
Eloh - 12 Posts
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Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a :ponder: to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here
For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.
Fingersplints - 13 Posts
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After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here
Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).


Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.
G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

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I can't imagine why you would take a break right after G-Man. That's a head scratcher.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts
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After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.
DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts
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Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.
Eloh - 12 Posts
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Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a :ponder: to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here
For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.
Fingersplints - 13 Posts
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After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here
Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster[url] (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).


Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.
G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

Taking a break from my reads for now.

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Fucking tags. Whatever, you guys get the point :P
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Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 1]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am G-Man

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look.[/spoiler]
I like this read. I felt like there was a bit of flippy-floppy to G-Man in his 'lynch high posters but rezz gives me pause' thing, but you've crystallised a bigger picture for me there.
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Please never say :P again. You have just obliterated my world view.
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Next question, could Elo/G-Man be w/w (hat's a question for the morning though).

For a 'non-productive' day one, I feel like I'm getting close to having a legit read on everyone (other than the low posters).
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts
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After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.
DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts
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Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.
Eloh - 12 Posts
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Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a :ponder: to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here
For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.
Fingersplints - 13 Posts
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After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here
Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).


Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.
G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

Taking a break from my reads for now.
Somehow doesn't compute much you'd accuse Bea of buddying in your first spoiler and conclude the post by calling G-Man mafia for plain hypocrisy. Town are hypocrites all the time.
But in this case you built a G-Man town assumption into your Bea read and then invalidated your initial assumption.
Shouldn't you have more focused reads after this summary ? Doesn't really feel like it, unless you could just voice them more concretely. While I appreciate the effort, summarizing but not acting is a more mafia thing to do.
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What about bea buddying G-Man is assuming that G-Man is town, given that there are two mafia teams?
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:45 am What about bea buddying G-Man is assuming that G-Man is town, given that there are two mafia teams?
Is that so ?
Do you think Eloh went into antispew ?
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
Do you sus Scotty for that ?
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:45 am What about bea buddying G-Man is assuming that G-Man is town, given that there are two mafia teams?
Is that so ?
Do you think Eloh went into antispew ?
LoRab wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 am
Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
Do you sus Scotty for that ?
I don't understand the question. What is antispew, and what does Eloh have to do with Bea buddying G-Man, and Why did you dodge my question?
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DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:45 am What about bea buddying G-Man is assuming that G-Man is town, given that there are two mafia teams?
There are? I see only 1. And an indy with entirely unknown win conditions.
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Antispew is stopping to post when it looks like you're going to the block.
Your question wasn't dodged. I didn't work with the assumption that mafia can pocket another mafia like you did. I think you're the first I saw do that.
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I assumed incorrectly that "Triggered Events" were roles.
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
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Vivax wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:00 am Antispew is stopping to post when it looks like you're going to the block.
Your question wasn't dodged. I didn't work with the assumption that mafia can pocket another mafia like you did. I think you're the first I saw do that.
I amend my statement. Bea can be buddying G-Man and G-Man can be bad, if G-Man is Indie or Mafia and Bea is either Indie or Mafia.
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